Kawan, thread from firefawkes has merged with joe_mamak's

now this is group thread. not religious thread.

so time to chit chat, not argue argue.

How do you know what you perceive during meditation is not delusional of the mind?

but anyway, this is group thread now... so no more debateing

ok kawan

BTW, i dont believe in religion at all

Unless there's empirical proofs, its all mumbo jumbo to me. just my 2cents

I dont know where you got that.

No god, no jesus, no creation.

its all stupid and delusional.

religion is all evil.

Just a human.

The jews were smart and make him divine. Religion is an effective too to control people within a society

No civilization was ever existed without some form of religion. It yields power of control over people's sentiments by fearing the unknown such as death and afterlife, hence its evil.

If you think about having sex with him, do you think he will cringe? just a thought...

The thing about fortune telling, whats the point in life then if you know things before hand? Where is the challenge in facing the unknowns?
The irony is that when one tries to preempt the bad fortune, he ends up fulfilling it.

Its testable and quantifiable via science.

No reason why i'm here. But since i'm already here, i'll be darn sure to taste every women out there before i die

well, no harm in listening to discussions. Knowledge does not require belief. Its just to be aware.

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Added on August 19, 2010, 11:38 amwait, "here" as in in this thread, or in this life???

blur now..

This post has been edited by ayamkambing: Aug 19 2010, 11:38 AM

Its actually muslims telling christians that, more so claiming the prophets of christianity are actually muslims, just to trick people into joining them.
So its good you point these out. Its not ethical.

silat originates from kalaripayat ?

Thats a semitic name. Arab and Hebrew shares the same root word, no?
Because the quran made claims against the bible, so christians counter this by what implying the same tactic.

Thats why religion itself is unethical.

Not in the name of buddhism, no.

Because its too diluted to have any significant impact. And because of its all-inclusive nature, everything becomes acceptable. But it never did prevent any war from occuring though. No buddhist nation had lived without any war.

Thats because other religions have control in place to prevent much dilution. With mutual exclusivity, it comes with exclusive claims. Others would be rejected. But that isn't the contention to wage war. Its hardly even enough.

wars waged were mostly similar as in most wars: for resource, for control of power, for safety of people, for land.
Some will claim for religious propagation, more more often than not, propagation of religion has always been there regardless of war. Its only when safety of these propagators were threatened, bullied by opposing forces, that war was considered when bilateral talks breaks down and human emotions goes off the charts.

There is no religion that said to wage war on others as a commandment to gain salvation.
Religion was used during war as a means to join people of different ideologies under a common ground. It makes joint ventures easier. But the war itself has its goals not on religion.

It isn't much on other religion.

Its much on the misconception that buddhism caused no religious war.
Its a misconception because war itself is too complex to be generalized like this.

unzip your pants first.

The problem here is, war was waged for wealth and resource. Thats the main objective. Religion was used to con people to join in, which would otherwise cause a backlash. Back then, there was no UN, or civility. Dont like your face, i'll kill you. No religion ever called for its members to kill and pillage for wealth and land. Its the opposite. But due to illiteracy among the peasants, it makes it easier for rich corrupt bureaucrats to con more people. Crusades started off as europes' defense to stop onslaught of islamic invaders, which later spiralled out of control for european kings to gain more control over land and resource and using religion conveniently to con more people, by saying that if you join in the war, your sins can be pardoned (which was false in the first place). The main motive here was never for religion.

Same with Islam. The conquest here isn't much to propagate. They have no issue propagating without war. It was waged for securing trade routes, land expansion, wealth, etc.

The reason why "fight the infidels in the name of buddha" is unheard of is because of the dilution of buddhism. There is no such thing as an infidel in buddhism due to that. Its an all-inclusive religion. If its all inclusive, everyone's a member. So it doesn't make sense to use buddhism to control people in cases of war. But people does use buddhism to earn money (fake monks begging for money, sales of amulets with carvings of monks etc) which is also based on the same reason why wars were waged : for resource.


No its not. Its being horny.

Just leave him to me. You guys just focus on buddhism and being kind to each other. Not worthy it to get your hands dirty. My hands are already dirty, so might as well

I'm an atheist. Never a buddhist. And i'm more maju than you. I know how to google for info without relying on this thread for info

this thread to me is more for friendly bantering and discussions of issues pertaining to buddhism/ buddhists/ or anything under the sun.

Well, human nature.

Thats why one should not say no wars were waged in the name of buddhism. Its just so happen that its not convenient to do so.

The only god I believe is kapten sanders.

True meaning of life:

Colonel Sanders is actually a Captain.

Don't be misled