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post Oct 11 2011, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(bai1101 @ Oct 11 2011, 12:02 PM)
How abt ppl that trust but not fully follow Buddhism?
eg: These may learn something basic during kid/teenage when attend junior class but nvr go into full practice when grow up. There believe what there learn just there nvr full practice it.

What are there consider as? Follower/Believer/other?
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if you dont practice what you have learnt its more or less useless as it cant help you at all...
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post Oct 12 2011, 12:18 PM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Oct 12 2011, 12:16 PM)
Interesting, Hotjake, have you ever tried Kasina meditation?

I know a bit of the theory, but I am not sure if there are any masters in KL to teach it. I heard it's quite popular in certain monasteries in Burma (samatha-based) and also in Thailand.

I think in KL the most popular samatha is ANapanasati and Metta. Other than that, maybe I am just being ignorant, I am not sure of the other Samatha being taught widely.
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But Vipasanna meditation is definitely more interesting.
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post Oct 12 2011, 04:15 PM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Oct 12 2011, 04:07 PM)
Venerable Aggacitta taught me once in a dhamma camp (he was explaining the difference between samatha and vipassana to his students) but kinda difficult/din work for me or perhaps i should try harder lol. It's quite popular yes in burma and thailand.

Metta is very important to support vipassana; a very powerful tool to calm the mind down. Anapanasati is actually vipassana; it means mindfulness of the in and out breaths. methods may differ but if the principle/fundamental of the meditation is the same it is still vipassana meditation. However, in and out breaths can still be the object for Samatha Meditation; very difficult (due to its changing nature) but still can be done by discarding all other arising phenomena namely the 4 Spheres/Foundations of Mindfulness. in short, samatha's focus is to lead to absorption while vipassana: insight. however upon achieving absorption thru samatha it can be channeled to observing the four foundations of mindfulness which is vipassana and thus lead to insight/wisdom.   

check out Anapanasati Sutta together with the all-important Satipatthana Sutta and also their commentaries/reviews by authors/notalbe monks for deeper explanations although it can be used as samatha solely if mind stays on breath alone and discard all arising phenomena required in vipassana.

one more thing to add, samatha's object is limitless. u can recite Coca-Cola/Pepsi all-day long without break and with concentration, u'd still get adsorbed in it/ even achieve absorption. try it
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Samantha: focusing on one object; results in Samadhi

Vipassana: introspection of the self; results in wisdom

both methods are different. different schools approach them differently also.

Goenka's method combines samantha and vipassana.

Samadhi is essential when combined with wisdom for arahatship

In the tibetan view, we practice vipassana everyday as we think and brainstorm for our daily needs but very little Samantha and that we can only attain samadhi after knowing how the mind works.


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post Oct 12 2011, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Oct 12 2011, 04:16 PM)
read the suttas stated by me first bro.
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I've read them before but cant really recall them now

but here's the tibetan method of developing samadhi: http://blog.tsemtulku.com/tsem-tulku-rinpo...n-rinpoche.html
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post Oct 12 2011, 04:23 PM

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there's a lot of interesting things in tibetan buddhism like Tantra, Dzogchen, Mahamudra, Tonglen, Naropa's 6 Yogas etc its like finding the gold mine of Dharma tongue.gif

but they also have a more elaborate view of the nikayas as well
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post Oct 12 2011, 04:24 PM

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QUOTE(ghoss @ Oct 12 2011, 04:16 PM)
Guys....how do you practice the mediation , please do teach me .
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you can try this link: http://blog.tsemtulku.com/tsem-tulku-rinpo...n-rinpoche.html

but not exactly a good idea to practice meditation without supervision
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post Oct 12 2011, 04:38 PM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Oct 12 2011, 04:31 PM)
Tantra, Mahamudra accessible by normal people? or must we receive instruction from a guru whom we have come to follow?

btw, how is Tsem Tulku Rinpoche's plan to build the highest Je Tsongkhapa's statue in malaysia?
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both are not accessible but there are books on them. However with practices like these you can only achieve results if you receive them from a qualified teacher who have practiced them also. It is said that reading on them without explanation from someone with experience would result in wrong views and that you can never achieve results.


there are many other practices that can be done by normal people. Tonglen is one of them and it is very hard to master. there's also the 8 verses of transforming the mind.

its slowly building up to that. it has to be done in stages first tongue.gif

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post Oct 12 2011, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(ghoss @ Oct 12 2011, 04:38 PM)
bro , not trolling here  sweat.gif

I use to go Mahindarama Buddhist Temple when I'm small . I practice some of the teachings but not strictly  sweat.gif
Why is that so ?  hmm.gif

I might get it wrong ?
By the way, if you guys got time , I suggest you read the Buddha Manga quite interesting story.
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yup. once you do its very hard to go back. I suggest you do some buddhist studies before you start

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post Oct 12 2011, 04:47 PM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Oct 12 2011, 04:46 PM)
hmm.. awesome! if got pics, can pm me?
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Nah as in grow Kechara in stages before that comes out. No statue yet
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post Oct 12 2011, 04:52 PM

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QUOTE(MadhavanR @ Oct 12 2011, 04:52 PM)
Buddhism == Hinduism

Both are not religion. They are just way of life. no one is forced to follow anything. they do becoz they believe it is for good.
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The Buddha also said Buddhism =/= Hinduism.

no trolling plz
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post Oct 12 2011, 04:56 PM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Oct 12 2011, 04:56 PM)
those who haven't studied them both in depth will make such conclusion. they are fundamentally different by practice and also by goal.
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I just hope he aint a troll

*looks at the report button*
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post Oct 12 2011, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(ate @ Oct 12 2011, 04:52 PM)
Ive been staring at this for hours and im speechless shocking.gif anymore quotes like this from him?
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not from him but got similiar quotes: http://blog.tsemtulku.com/

also have a bunch of other stuffs in the blog too
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post Oct 12 2011, 05:10 PM

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QUOTE(MadhavanR @ Oct 12 2011, 05:06 PM)
erm, when exacly did he said that ?

buddism was named after the followers of buddha. do you know what religion / way of life buddha himself was following before they coin that name ?

as far as i know, buddhism is just a different name for hinduism that has been teached by buddha to his followers, and im proud to say he is 1 of the best person who understand life the way it should be.  thumbup.gif
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He was following Jainism. It was big during his time so u failz.

he said that he is not Hindu and neither does he teach Hinduism. You can google that. Not just him but many buddhist sages also said buddhism is not hinduism. In fact, hindus and buddhists used to debate and were always at each other's necks in philosopical terms.

please do not say buddhism == hinduism again or else i shall reports for trolling.
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post Oct 12 2011, 05:27 PM

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QUOTE(MadhavanR @ Oct 12 2011, 05:21 PM)
the practice of both is the same, just that there are number of hindu's nowdays who no longer follow the correct way and resorted to some "unknown" practices which is not part of hinduism.  yawn.gif  rclxub.gif  (dont believe, then i will explain)

the goal is also the same, but how many of us really working for that goal ? all chasing money, career and blah blah blah....

whatever told in buddhism is exacly the same in hinduism...the only difference is the name and how well people actually follow them smile.gif
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Hinduism focuses on oneness with god and believes in the soul

Buddhism focuses on liberation from worldliness. There is no soul in Buddhism, only conciousness. There is no Me or My in Buddhism.

its different.

Hinduism copied a lot of things from Buddhism, especially the Tantras and Buddhist ideas as well.

if you keep saying its the same please explain in the full terms.

btw i reported you.
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post Oct 12 2011, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Oct 12 2011, 05:31 PM)
Hinduism focuses on oneness with god (yes they call it Moksha) and believes in the soul - yes correct

aiya why u report him? i wanna have a debate with this fella
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Because it will go nowhere. the lack of info in his posts suggests he's more interested in trolling. He's been repeating himself for the past 3 posts and its pretty clear he's not interested in discussions. There's so many past buddhist sages who have spoken out against hinduism anyways.
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post Oct 12 2011, 05:41 PM

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QUOTE(hotjake @ Oct 12 2011, 05:37 PM)
i was hoping he'd quote the vedas so that i can shoot them down. haizz... if actual study and research are done, we don't need others to convince us that they are very different. sadly people are lazy to study
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he wont because he just wants to get his point across....jainism and hinduism does speak about the Buddha badly. they believe that the Buddha is a manifestation of vishnu out to help people who are hopeless (aka Buddhists). This alone is very offensive in its own way, cant believe this guy dosent realize this.
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post Oct 12 2011, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(MadhavanR @ Oct 12 2011, 05:40 PM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhism_and_...indu_scriptures

hotjake : i do not have much time to collect all the details as you requested. but atleast this will get some understanding why they are similar. do note that if a person really reads the 4 vedas or atleast listen to the explanation from those who have studied them, im sure the person can see thru both hinduism and buddhism as the same. after all both came from the same root smile.gif

Joey-kun : you are a joker. u can report all u want.
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Nope. Hinduism plagiarized many Buddhist ideas during the 3rd and 4th century. That is why they appear to be similiar but no they're not the same.

i know because i have studied both

and i'm not a joker.
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post Oct 13 2011, 08:49 AM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Oct 13 2011, 08:13 AM)
I think Kasina meditation normally taught to monks and they practice it in seclusion.

I came across a sutta where the Buddha gave an advice on graduated training to a lay disciples (upasaka) and recommended him to undertake Loving Kindness meditation , and if possible the best is to do Vipassana. (gain insight). I can't remember the sutta's name, but it goes something like this

"good to do dana to the Buddha, better to the entire Sangha, better than that have confidence in the Tripple Gem, better than that undertake sila training (morality), better than that Loving kindness, better than that gain Insight."

Can anyone find this sutta?

p/s I think basically we do Metta and Vipassana, we won't be very wrong in our practice within this lifetime. and maybe this is why metta/vipassana is taught widely to the lay disciples.
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both of them are safe bets but many masters have advised holding back meditation if you suffer from mental illness as it amplifies it. So i heard.
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post Oct 13 2011, 09:14 AM

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QUOTE(exsea @ Oct 13 2011, 08:58 AM)
agree with above.

especially if a person has been taught how to meditate by a different master.

one case i saw was a girl started crying uncontrollably after meditating, me n my friends could do nothing to help
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being loyal to a master has many benefits. and you should inform the master of any mental illness beforehand. Its very dangerous. I read that one lady started dancing uncontrollably after doing meditation because she has mental problems before meditating
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post Oct 13 2011, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(soul2soul @ Oct 13 2011, 10:18 AM)
Metta is a very safe meditation. I have heard of people doing kasina , due to their past kamma, they cannot switch off the kasina nimitta in their mind....  sweat.gif  sweat.gif

They keep seeing the kasina even not in meditation..  sweat.gif
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lol yep thats why kasina meditation can be quite....dangerous and so is vipassana when done unsupervised

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