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saturn85
post Aug 3 2010, 06:24 PM

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hey, bro, can give details of your company?
examples of songs that successfully sold to hong kong/taiwan?
your company include song composing? brows.gif
saturn85
post Aug 4 2010, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Aug 4 2010, 08:48 AM)
Saturn, how is song writting different form song composing?
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oops, sorry, i mean song arrangement, 编曲. blush.gif

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post Aug 4 2010, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Aug 4 2010, 03:47 PM)
Saturn, I am a banana. 编曲 as two separate words I know. As a combine word I have no idea. It is not listed in my dictionary. Please give more explaination.
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oops, sorry. blush.gif
hmm, i think it is refering to song arrangement,
but not sure is it the correct word or not. sweat.gif
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post Aug 4 2010, 04:55 PM

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QUOTE(faceless @ Aug 4 2010, 04:44 PM)
It may be the correct word, Saturn. Tell me what is the task involve in song arrangement?
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hmm, maybe you can google about it,
because i m not that good in describe this. sweat.gif
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post Aug 5 2010, 01:00 PM

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QUOTE(little ice @ Aug 5 2010, 11:45 AM)
structure means, for example:

intro - v1 - v2 - chorus - interlude - v2 - chorus - bridge - chorus - outro

then the intro and outro are created as arrangement, so as the interlude and how all instruments are played. composing or song writting is just the melody and lyrics and maybe chords (but arranger can change the chord).

to make it even more simple to understand, "remix" is also a kind of arrangement.
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hey, bro little ice, i have 1 question here:
usually song arrangement is done by 1 people or a group of people?
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post Aug 5 2010, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(little ice @ Aug 5 2010, 01:58 PM)
usually, 80%~100% are done by specialist "arranger", at least in the chinese market. there're also co-arranger like main arranger arranged everything and a special arrange just the strings part.

in western country, or even japan, they're done by the composer himself. producers also will do quite a lot as he/she'll involve lots of recording sessions and they'll put in lots of ideas there. heck, some producers are also the composer and also the arranger, which is quite common in japan.

then, sessionist and even mixing engineers can also input some ideas too, like guitarist replacing the midi guitar mockup, he can input some ideas too. sound engineers can copy some of the parts and paste it else where (maybe some special effects too).

how you give credits, it's entirely up to the whole team. but it's usually the one who did 80%~100%, or 50%/50% you'll see 2 names, or specifically like "arranged by xxx, strings by xxx".
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wow, that means the specialist arranger must know very well for each instrument?
i mean he knows how to play each instrument? hmm.gif
because he have to think back up vocal melody,
piano/guitar solo notes,
intro, outro and interlude how to play,
piano how to play,
guitar how to play,
string how to play,
bass how to play,
drum how to play...? sweat.gif
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post Aug 6 2010, 01:39 AM

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QUOTE(little ice @ Aug 5 2010, 11:25 PM)
local arranger usually don't deal with backing vocals, producers will hire backing vocal specialist, at least commonly done in the chinese market. but it's not uncommon for singers to DIY, or producers taking over the job.

and yes, arranger must know how all instruments are played, and more importantly, how to let them shine - you don't use classical guitar to play power chords, or piano to play like bass, etc etc. nowadays arranger all use MIDI to do arrangement, and most of the time, all of the tracks are MIDI because sampling technology nowadays are so good and computers are powerful enough to handle detailed and huge amount of samples. but it's up to the arranger (MIDI programmer) to make the midi track sound like real thing. still, nothing beats the real deal, but you know, it's about budget. biggrin.gif

back then, almost everything are recorded with live players, and obviously sound so much more lively...
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woo, really not easy to be a song arranger,
need to know everything about music. sweat.gif

 

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