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post Jun 20 2011, 12:21 PM

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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Jun 20 2011, 11:27 AM)
wat to do u no smoke cigar + badass like tychus
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maybe thats why lo.
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post Jun 21 2011, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 21 2011, 04:09 PM)
I heard that if you bought the Collector's Edition, your Planetary Fortress can be lifted off and then shoot air. Need someone to verify this.
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post Jun 21 2011, 11:19 PM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Jun 21 2011, 11:15 PM)
slow poke. it was like this since......it was released.
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beta, even before released. and yea i've done it before lol. was bm'ing people XD
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post Jun 29 2011, 01:37 AM

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 28 2011, 02:20 PM)
Try to kite all the Zealots first. If being FF, try to run behind the FF (or pick up stuck units using Dropship) and still target the Zealots. Stalkers should be last priority.
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actually, sentries (first and foremost, to prevent FF and GS, AND they cost the most ala 150 gas) should be the highest priority and 2nd would be stalkers, as they are 2nd most expensive, and they are easy to snipe with rauder punisher grenades.

zealots are just fodders and they are expected to tank and sacrifice their lives, a protoss player would be more than delighted to lose them if they can ensure the safety of their stalkers/sentries, and most importantly your demise.

granted, having zealots in ur face, especially chargelots, makes sniping stalkers or even killing sentries an almost impossible task to complete. however you asked for the kill order, and thats what you should be aiming for as a terran.

special note: if you do have sieged tanks, have the tanks to aim SPECIFICALLY at the stalkers, not only you get good splash to the sentries, aiming them would ensure your own MM wouldnt get hit by your own siege shells thanks to melee zealots/chargelots


Added on June 29, 2011, 1:40 am
QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 28 2011, 06:41 PM)
Honestly when you are kiting you don't necessary have to focus fire if your target are Zealots, coz they will surely be in the front line. If I'm not mistaken the A.I will also automatically target the closest enemy units first when you A-move.

But who knows? For those progamers, they can even focus fire on Banes while at the same time doing marines spread.

WTF I don't know GS is that imba. 110 shots? That's crazy.
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its based on a threat system (you'll be familiar if you played WoW mmorpg lol)

meleeing zealots do poses the highest threat, as they also have generally more dps than stalkers too. so yeah, they will be the first to get targeted on a-move


Added on June 29, 2011, 1:43 am
QUOTE(jeffvip @ Jun 28 2011, 09:58 PM)
So killing sentries 1st only kite might be a better way. Let me try it out when I'm back to penang.

Btw, did my fellow Terran here always play macro games against Protoss?
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i would prefer to rush than macro. dealing with colo and good sentry count with gs+FF is a PITA. lol.

that, and im not really good to multi task multi pronged drops, which is essential for terrans dealing with mid/late game protoss.

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post Jun 29 2011, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Jun 29 2011, 09:17 AM)
bro~ sentry only cost 100 gas
stalker while cost 50 gas

cost the most gas in gate unit is HT 150 gas 2nd is dt 125 gas =.=a
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still the most gas among the 3 choices right?
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post Jun 29 2011, 12:29 PM

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QUOTE(SiewKaiz @ Jun 29 2011, 12:01 PM)
among which 3 choice?
if zealot stalker sentry yes
yes but with ht/dt/archon then nope
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thats what jeff asked.
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post Jun 29 2011, 11:12 PM

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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Jun 29 2011, 01:20 PM)
Yup, I concern only in early game. If pvt goes into mid game or late game, terran better gg earlier to save energy. Nowadays, protoss even optimizing their warp prism which is great for protoss actually. Something I don see alot of pro doing it also
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because prisms are kinda expensive, and they are fairly slow and fragile. that, and it's strong point is mainly to warp in units, but know this: any additional units it warps that is more than what the prism initially carried within it, are pretty much doomed to their deaths. if the drop isnt successful to cover back the cost of those units that are warped in, you're pretty much gg'ing yourself. hope that answers why the lack of prisms even from korean pros smile.gif


Added on June 29, 2011, 11:24 pm
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for this post anyways, i have a lot of caster units i hate using, regardless of reason.
i got my losses, and i know its deserving, and you dont see me QQ'ing over here much, if any for that matter.

granted, i know im not GM or pro korean or whatever, and its my game and im pretty much free to play it however i want, knowingly doing so (not playing like how the pros do, game after game with strict BO/play styles etc) may not win me every game especially when i play against better players.

it really boils down to individuals. if he does it and doesnt give a f*** about it, who are you to say anything. however, if he does it and kept crying non stop, i guess he deserves to get flamed anyways.


Added on June 29, 2011, 11:26 pm
QUOTE(KepalaRadio @ Jun 29 2011, 06:02 PM)
Clearly Quaza lacks experience in Starcraft II, but that doesn't mean he can't express his own opinions. However for everyone's sake we should all give one another the benefit of the doubt.
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its ok, i know that having less than 1k league wins automatically denotes any credibility or experience one may have in sc2 smile.gif


Added on June 29, 2011, 11:27 pm
QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jun 29 2011, 06:19 PM)
150gas sentry i guess
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because clearly i remember perfectly well of a unit's statistics that i... almost never use. right?


Added on June 29, 2011, 11:29 pm
QUOTE(jeffvip @ Jun 29 2011, 07:13 PM)
Why not? This is a human strategy thread. Getting laid is one of the human strategy. U know I Agreed with u that marauder is the strongest early game unit d right? Then op terran discussion finished d.

I have no interest to see what's evo is writing also bcos I confirmed what he write is certain the opposite of what I wrote here, so do I need to continue that conversation anymore? Better spending my time to get laid tonight
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thread aside, i dont think fuj would be the right person to ask either.

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post Jun 30 2011, 12:27 AM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jun 30 2011, 12:00 AM)
it is not about unit stats...
it is ok not to know about the damage, armor, hp etc (i dun know all) but unit cost is what really matter in macro...
for example when ur warpgate cooldown is down, do u jz simply warp in units or u try to maximize the warp in with the amount of resource u have?
what about builds?
these resource requirements are what determine ur builds and timing ie when to get ur 2nd gas, when to cut workers etc...
it is more than just the stats and when u are providing a argument in a discussion, dun u think credibility or at least knowing what are u talking about matter?
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first of all, why is it not about unit stats? a pricing of a unit should also be included as a unit stats because duh its a part of statistics?
if you can even ignore that, fine, then why is it OK to not know about the statistics of a unit (in ur case dmg/armor/hp etc excluding pricing), and suddenly its NOT OK on the price of a unit, that i RARELY EVER USE?

if i dont use a particular unit, why must i remember every precise detail (be it statistics and/or pricing, or rather just statistics sigh), or in particularly, its cost, when it is suddenly OK to forget whatever the hell it does? (how much pew pew it can dish out?)

i mean, i know the warp gate cooldown nerf is promoting heavy sentries before warp tech is done. but quite frankly, im not following those build trends. i dont follow to pro build orders, i just do whatever the hell i like. i've stated clearly, that i know i will lose games, and i am FINE losing those games if it really came down to not building x amount of y units just because its the pro thing to do and not doing it will mean auto lose. (which, isn't the case as i dont have 100% lose rate either)

if you still cant understand, here, let me repeat:
you can go ALL DAY about your pro builds, pro play, pro macro, pro micro, however you have to realize, NOT EVERYONE are GSL players, NOT EVERYONE WANTS to play super pro, and certainly NOT EVERYONE CAN play pro despite knowing pro stuff (pro build order pro whatever)

you want to question my credibility just because i mess up how much gas a sentry cost, wouldn't you think by now this damn forum (god forbid the world) knows that i could give a rat's ass about sentries despite seeing how pro tester or pro MC can do with it?

hell, what am i even arguing anyways? jeff asked a question, i provided an answer. it was as simple as that until you guys decide to show your pro 1337 skillz at the same time neglecting on the main point, or rather, the main question that was being asked. now how pro does that make you? giving out pointless ramblings when someone (jeff in this case) doesnt even want to hear, versus just answering him what he wanted? at the end of the day he still wont see you as a pro regardless which path you choose, and as a matter of fact you aren't a pro gamer either. so really, why the hell would you bother?


Added on June 30, 2011, 12:28 am
QUOTE(jeffvip @ Jun 30 2011, 12:13 AM)
You are the expert here? Why don't u reply me earlier? Haiz, now drinking hoegaarden at bon ton only. sad.gif
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no, i'm afraid i wouldn't be the person you're looking for smile.gif

well, if you want nice places to have a drink, changkat would be among the first place to lookout for. many beautiful girls, ladies, local or foreign. and plentiful of alchohol be it wine, cocktails, or beer to suit your taste smile.gif

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post Jun 30 2011, 12:43 AM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jun 30 2011, 12:35 AM)
clearly using sentry (a unit in game) is GSL lvl...
even pressing the guardian skill put u in GSL lvl...

again i say: the price of units have heavy impact on ur macro game especially protoss if u wanna warp in the right units... aren't we talking bout strategy here? it is like playing chess and say i am not gonna the rook lawl
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did i say using sentry makes you GSL level? hell did i even mention the word "guardian skill"? (considering how you like to nitpick my error of 50 gas)

again, let me explain it to you once more since you cannot grasp it:
I RARELY, BUILD SENTRIES.
I KNOW I WILL LOSE GAME
I KNOW I WILL BE FOREVER BRONZE
BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE, THAT IS MY PROBLEM.

clear enough?

and hell, you're talking about protoss strategy in a terran thread? and you ACCUSE others of derailing?
my god.

and for the record anyways, if i play chess, and i dont want to use the god damn rook, that is MY chess game, and thats MY god damn decision. whatever you do won't affect me if i decided that i'm not gonna use the god damn rook.
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post Jun 30 2011, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jun 30 2011, 12:52 AM)
wait when did i accuse u of derailing?
i think u mistaken bro (dun vent ur anger at me for something i did not do)...
chill a bit lol...

ps: i am talking about unit price to refine build and maintain macro... chill a bit and read... no harm or personal atk lol... if u wanna give advice to people, at least make sure u get it right =p
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the human strategy when u are cant have a counter argument in the forum: derail the thread
i thought u could be classier than pulling off such tricks lol...


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no one said it was you accusing me either.

and believe me, im perfectly chill. else i would've done full caps and go apeshit all over the boards. then as a final closure i would just report everyone who's involved including myself and we can all have a nice happy closure party. dig?

and really, still trying to nitpick for an error that's even irrelevant in the first damn place?
ps: you should really take up your own advice.
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post Jun 30 2011, 02:57 AM

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QUOTE(evofantasy @ Jun 30 2011, 01:40 AM)
well u did go all CAPS for like 4-5 lines lol...
btw jz go ahead and report and i doubt i will get warned considering i post about sc2 still and not bout being laid (which i accuse of derailing) lol unless u can influence the mods that much...
not that i am bothered with ur threats...
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yeah continue to nitpick the finest detail.

and like i said, thats if i lose my screws, which thankfully, i didn't. so feel free to continue on whatever you're doing smile.gif
and no, i am not threatening, nor do i have influences to the LYN moderators (if you would so like to know, i have gotten warned and banned before, surely that wouldn't be possible had i got personal influences smile.gif )


Added on June 30, 2011, 3:01 am
QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Jun 30 2011, 02:09 AM)
-.- quaz shouldnt even give non-crediable infos at the 1st place. you lose, its ur problem, u lose and still want to help other ppl to lose, theres a problem.
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like, have you been reading the thread in its entirety? lol.


Added on June 30, 2011, 3:02 am
QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Jun 30 2011, 02:34 AM)
lack of moderator
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oh believe me they are around, probably even reading this thread as we speak, you'd never know.

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post Jun 30 2011, 03:09 AM

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QUOTE(quest_5692 @ Jun 30 2011, 03:08 AM)
if they are in the thread reading, i can still say. lack of moderator. or maybe they are just not as strict as TL strategy forum. not even 1 temp ban or warning till now i guess.
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why are you comparing lolyat with tl forums? what, this forum not pro enough for you or something?
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post Jun 30 2011, 03:15 AM

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jun 30 2011, 03:11 AM)
Sorry but your guess is wrong. Here comes it.
All hail the quote king.
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wwww not bad i would say, not bad.
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post Jul 2 2011, 07:54 PM

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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Jul 2 2011, 02:38 PM)
west, july 23 season 3 start... we r gonna be apart  cry.gif
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lol NA 19th start, on the reg tuesday blizz maint.


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QUOTE(ricardoizecson @ Jul 2 2011, 04:31 PM)
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post Jul 3 2011, 04:40 AM

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jul 2 2011, 10:06 PM)
Why apart? You're going to be promoted to diamond next season is it? Damn I still remain in Platinum since season 1.

Forever-Plat.jpg
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plat ok wat. better than bronze thumbup.gif
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post Jul 3 2011, 03:13 PM

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QUOTE(FLampard @ Jul 3 2011, 12:59 PM)
guys, the thor's 250mm strike cannon, whats the advantage of that? I dont see it being very useful... do u all usually purchase that upgrade?
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if im gonna get fb'd to death, i might as well buy that upgrade and give them death before my thor does.
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post Jul 4 2011, 07:30 PM

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QUOTE(jeffvip @ Jul 4 2011, 05:40 PM)
oo.. thx for the idea
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why would you want to be in the same division anyways? you got feelings for him?
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post Jul 4 2011, 07:52 PM

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jul 4 2011, 07:49 PM)
Lol yup brotherly love. Btw I heard that ladder bonus pool will stop growing starting tomorrow until the start of season 3? Is that the case with the previous season also? Couldn't remember.

WTF season 2 is so short. With season 3 there are a lot of new ladder maps. Need to relearn.
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mfw i foreveralone and foreverbronze in NA wwwwwwwwwwww

and yes, bonus pool stop growing, theres no point anyways as 2 weeks after league locking going into season end. and its not that season2 is short, its season1 being too f***ing long with blizz working out various issues especially bnet 2.0 being widely touted as shit (lol)
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QUOTE(radkliler @ Jul 4 2011, 09:06 PM)
I don't play Terran seriously...but I think the 1-1-1 build can counter the Bio pretty decently
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only if ur defending until ur tanks reached a min of ~6+ at least. and decent amount of marine meatshields/dps support during siege period (assuming you have to push forward and not idiots coming into your ground zero zones lol)
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post Jul 5 2011, 04:05 PM

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QUOTE(westley0214 @ Jul 5 2011, 04:00 PM)
Hey I just found out that Ghost is better at countering Broodlord than Viking. 5 sniper round kill a Broodlord instantly in like 2 secs negating armor upgrade etc.
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problem: potential seers and brood lords hovering at hard to reach places

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