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post Nov 4 2010, 04:32 PM

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QUOTE(+Newbie+ @ Nov 4 2010, 11:07 AM)
I know what you mean. I really hate marketing speak.

All these P1 and YTL Wimax players keep selling their services as 4G. It's NOT 4G.

4G isn't even fully implemented in Japan yet. Let alone the rest of the world.

They're Wimax. They should just stick to the term Wimax. 3G and 4G run on cellular networks, such as Digi and Maxis. Wimax is essentially a Wifi on steroids. They do not run off cellular networks but run instead on a special type of wifi that extends a few kilometers.
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In US they are start marketing HSPA+ as 4G, i think it's even worse than here? unsure.gif
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post Nov 8 2010, 10:57 PM

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QUOTE(LightningFist @ Nov 6 2010, 04:17 PM)
That better not be internet rate (if mobile phone, understandable).

That's like RM10.25 for 1GB, ridiculously high.
10GB = RM103
50GB = RM513

*shudder*
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RM10/1GB is cheap enough. i would sign up right away since my usage monthly circa 3GB++ only. smile.gif

digi internet = RM68/3GB
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post Nov 18 2010, 08:33 PM

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QUOTE(kaiserreich @ Nov 18 2010, 01:38 PM)
you have to compare apples to apples  doh.gif

In terms of pay-as-go structure, 9sen/MB is pretty much the cheapest you can get without any commitment. Hopefully this will spur the other providers to cut their stupid 1sen/KB model that has been applied since the stone age. With such a business model, Yes 4G is for the occasional users, not heavy users or smart phone (Android/Apple/Win7 etc) user, you can have Maxis/Digi/Celcom for that.

Come to think of it, what type of subscribers are more, data plan users, or occasional users. As such, it is highly unlikely that YES will crash and burn like P1 did. Same technology with P1, but probably 10 times less data usage, based on the monthly P1 data cap. With P1, subscribers want to 'maximize' their line by finishing their quota no matter what. Based on my half past six guesstimate, they are probably targeting the ocassional internet on phone users, or the ones that use their internet for web surfing and email only.
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I'm an android user and use my phone as modem and sync my device all the time.
my average usage per month circa 3gb only. So yes service is good enough.
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post Nov 19 2010, 11:32 AM

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QUOTE(ulart_mie @ Nov 19 2010, 09:48 AM)
3G was made to carry voice, when it tries to carry data, it struggles. 4G was made to carry data.

In that case, your “4G network” should be wiping the floor with the 3G network right? Here’s an interesting one… the folks at YTL choose to demo their “4G network” against the Celcom 3G solution… and managed 11Mbps vs 0.89Mbps (CELCOM). Yes, ELEVEN MEGABITS, you read it right. Umm… check this other quote out:

The ITU requires 100 Mbps (mobile) and 1 Gbps (fixed) speeds, among other criteria, to qualify as true “4G”.

Unless I fail horribly at reading and require LASIK, I’m pretty certain that 11Mbps < 100Mbps. Don’t know about you guys, but in comparison to what the ITU requires, it sure looks like the YTL “4G network” is struggling like a Somalian kid trying to benchpress the Michelin Man.

Other useful links relating to the ITU 4G standard: The official ITU 4G Press Release, and the IMT-Advanced (4G) page on the ITU website.
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Current "4g" is fake 4g according to itu standard. In US they even advertised hspa+ as 4g
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post Nov 19 2010, 09:40 PM

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i don't mind switching to yes for internet if their speed on average 4mbps and above since my usage per month is moderate only.
currently i paid RM48/month for digi internet signed up during promo period but their service is very unstable and slow at night since the past few months in my area.


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QUOTE(ks98 @ Nov 19 2010, 10:01 PM)
i have already said NO to Streamyx, Maxis, Celcom & P1... only left Digi & YES... now, also says NO to Digi... therefore, just left YES only... (To be frank, i haven't tried P1 yet but ppl doesn't recommend it due to poor service)

Note: These are the 6 telcos available at my area... how pity I am. I just want a stable and reliable internet only.
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we are on the same boat.
i've used maxis bb, celcom bb before digi, all disappointing after certain period of time.
now digi also the same case, the service deteriorate after a while.

i do not dare to sign up P1 because of bad review here.
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post Nov 19 2010, 11:11 PM

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QUOTE(Evenlight @ Nov 19 2010, 10:33 PM)
YTL has RM30 acommitment every month on top of their monthly charges


Added on November 19, 2010, 10:35 pm
this is YES Amazing 4G product can't even manage traffic on their website and worst they have no customer service to call! They seem to  be directing enquries to Lot 10 (walk in)!
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from my understanding, the rm30 commitment is min payment per month right?
not monthly usage + RM30.
when i said moderate usage, my usage per month is around 3GB, not below 1GB.

i don't mind paying slightly more if the service is fast and reliable.
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QUOTE(BasicCX @ Nov 19 2010, 10:42 PM)
Very expensive for downloader. 3GB quota for RM92+.

With this speed you will use up all the credit you have. Better stay with your current provider.
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if you use 3GB, the rebate is RM23, after the rebate the rate is about the same as other operators. obviously the service is not for heavy downloaders.
with that in mind, i hope their network will not be congested like any other operators after quite sometime rclxms.gif

right now i need to know average speed from users before i can decide to sign up or not.
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post Nov 20 2010, 10:04 AM

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QUOTE(jwyong001 @ Nov 20 2010, 01:19 AM)
no point the speed so fast cuz cannot use for heavy download..512kbps is enuff for sure net,e-mail and fb..
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sure can, it's convenience to download/upload 100++mb in a very short time and also to stream youtube without any hiccup rclxms.gif
light users also know how to stream youtube meh laugh.gif
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post Nov 20 2010, 10:15 AM

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maybe YES doesn't want heavy downloaders(bandwidth hoggers) as their customers so their network won't be congested like any other providers?

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QUOTE(JinXXX @ Nov 21 2010, 01:36 PM)
has he been reading the forum ?? all i see is bashing and bashing upon bashing...

who are the ppl that say yes ? "validating" claim and "consistency" is different.. wait next year and see when a bucket of users registered...

see what then .... too bad CEO are all PR people and not tech savy ppl...
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what he said might be true, he only talk about the service performance, not about the rate etc.
what we read here mostly complaints about the rate, nothing got to do with performance.

i will go to lot 10 today to register and try the service, if it's not good i will sell the dongle or whatever it is called.
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for me, if YES can maintain the speed on average more than 4mbps for 1 year then it's good enough for me, beyond that is a bonus.

i don't have much hope for mobile broadband, been using celcom bb, maxis bb and digi bb, they are only good for the first 6 months or so, after that the service started deteriorated. in case of digi's current service, they are only good during the day before 6pm or so, after that frequent disconnection, slow speed. i guess
that's why they came up with day broadband plan for RM38/month laugh.gif

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QUOTE(amdx @ Nov 21 2010, 07:35 PM)
i still can't login to their yes ID portal, it show incorrect password and username but i'm already on yes 4g network using the similar logins info.

the coverage map show my area has the strongest signal.. but the fact is.. i'm getting the weakest signal.

speed test for ur reference... faster than HSPDA? i dun guess so.
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but very good ping response if compare to others.
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same case here.
still cannot access the portal with yes id but i connected alright with connection manager.

signal strength in my house also weak, most of the time 1 bar only.
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QUOTE(raptar_eric @ Nov 22 2010, 08:23 PM)
hellow fello sifus, i have afew questions, before getting their service:

1. Will there be a sim card inside the usb dongle? if no, what is the use of the number assigned to the account, and how do i make calls without a sim card?

2. what is the initial payment needed to start using the service? i read that the minimum usage per month must be rm30, but i saw from yes.my stating that the package is rm50.. kinda confused

3. finally, are there any contracts to it? means if i use for 1 month, can i terminate it the following month?
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i will answer no 1 only.

no simcard.
you have to use YES LIFE software to make/receive call/sms. it is internet based so you can receive/make calls/sms as long as you are connected to internet, not necessarily connected to YES network, any internet connection will do.

in this regard if they came up with skype style app for smartphones, you can have 2 numbers using 1 phone. smile.gif


Added on November 23, 2010, 12:02 amis there anyone managed to login to portal?
my credit already ran out but there's no way to reload since i cannot login to portal.



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post Nov 23 2010, 12:24 AM

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QUOTE(paultantk @ Nov 23 2010, 12:17 AM)
I am very confused.

I couldn't login to my username and password that I pre-registered.

So I went to a reseller, bought the Huddle and registered a new account with the same username as the registration username.

Now my Huddle doesn't work with neither the old pre-reg password or the new dealer-set password.

But I can login to the mail.yes.my webmail with my old pre-reg password WTF?

Can anyone tell me, in Huddle, set username to username@yes.my or just username?
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did you received the confirmation email?
after it is activated, they will send you an email with username & password.
you should use that one.
at least it works in my case but i cannot login to their portal until now, the huddle is working fine.
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QUOTE(totally_skint @ Nov 23 2010, 09:08 AM)
That was fast!
How much in how many days before you ran dry?
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i only paid RM99 for dongle and that's it. i don't buy any credit yet.
if i'm not mistaken when you buy the dongle, they will rebate RM100 credit (RM10/month).
so i guess i have used RM10 already.

luckily YES is not my main internet provider, i still use diginet.
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QUOTE(CalvinCLK @ Nov 23 2010, 09:49 AM)
Thought it's RM10 reload? What about stamp duty? RM10 as well I think..
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prepaid system don't have stamp duty right? unsure.gif
if you pre-registered, don't need to pay RM50 activation fees though.

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QUOTE(amdx @ Nov 23 2010, 10:04 AM)
i paid rm1199... for the huddle package. and i'm saying yes to no cox i still can't access their YES ID portal which keep stuck at the GateIn page, stating wrong username and password!

francis, are you listening? if it is not ready, dun launch it!
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i have to agree with you, they are not quite ready to launch the service .
i don't remember any big internet providers launched the service with this level of chaos before.
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QUOTE(tytung @ Nov 23 2010, 09:24 AM)
Think about business owners and companies. Do you think they will use YES, due to their heavy use of internet?
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obviously they don't target the companies and business. In fact i never come across companies that use mobile internet(p1, digi bb, celcom bb, maxis bb) as their main internet providers in their office. laugh.gif

even wired broadband providers have different plans and charges for business.


Added on November 23, 2010, 10:33 am
QUOTE(Matrix @ Nov 23 2010, 09:32 AM)
I am quiet confused...they show can do calls with mobile phone...but how? All i see is that you need to have their USB modems to be plugged into a PC...there's no SIM card or what. How to use the phone to make voice call or dial internet?
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wimax basic phone will be available in december, android wimax phones will be introduced in 2011.
for the time being you have to use YES LIFE app for calls/sms.
yes it is similar to skype, by right calling amongst YES users should be free right?

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QUOTE(ryan18 @ Nov 23 2010, 12:18 PM)
was at Lot10 yesterday and saw the pricing for both Zoom and Buzz. They are priced at RM599
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i think the price is fair enough, but i'm waiting for their android phone and see what they will offer.

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