As of now, if u can find 3% interest rate for hire-purchase, consider it good already bro

Yaa it's true..i dont care all those fraction of second faster figures. I'm not a raceboy anyway For me i bought a car that gives me the best safety equipments, extra comfort features & definitely the good looks, & at the same time suits my budget constraint.

This post has been edited by izputra: Jul 16 2010, 05:50 PM

From the feedback of 1.6 owners, i can safely says that Forte's FC improve a lot if compared to Spectra..no more fuel sipping analogy for Forte

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Added on July 16, 2010, 10:47 pmI can double confirm your statement

This post has been edited by izputra: Jul 16 2010, 10:47 PM

Mine is 2.0 Forte,

100% highway driving at +-110km/h : FC = +-6.1L/100km
If mostly city driving : FC = +-10L/100km

It's a normal sound produced by the overheated exhaust pipe that cools down (contracting)

This post has been edited by izputra: Jul 17 2010, 12:00 AM

Yesterday i managed to fill full tank of Petronas RON95 fuel. Will monitor the distance covered by the full tank of fuel again this time after about 3.5 months of owning the car with almost 10k km mileage. will see how far it goes...

This post has been edited by izputra: Jul 17 2010, 12:12 AM

Yaa..i have to admit that using the mineral oil will do the 'damage' to the FC as compared to fully synthetic oil. at least that was my personal experience. but u will save the initial cost by opting for mineral oil (saving RM100++) at the first place. I summarize my statement (as per my experience) as below :

Fully Synthetic Oil :
Initial cost : high
Running cost (FC) : lower
Drive feelings : usually the car will run smoother & more quiet, got better pick up (acceleration) & better engine protection (hopefully)
Periodical Maintenance : have to service the car only once for every 10k km

Mineral Oil :
Initial cost : low
Running cost (FC) : higher, as compared to when i use the Fully Syn oil
Drive feelings : usually will feel a bit sluggish as compared to when i use the Fully Syn oil
Periodical Maintenance : have to service the car twice for every 10k km (5k+5k). so at the end, the total service cost most likely will not be far away from the Fully Syn oil (not to say that u have to spend extra time, effort & of course some fuel to bring the car for service)

For me, it is not worth the saving (that the mineral oil will bring) when i put all the drive feelings, extra time, effort & the extra fuel in my considerations

So, by stating that, u actually can judge for yourself the pros & cons of using both type of oil & which one u prefer

As an addition, the BK might also (slightly) contribute to the extra FC as it added extra weight to the car + extra surface area to be dragged by the air when the car moves. The drag equation are as follows :



where

FD is the force of drag, which is by definition the force component in the direction of the flow velocity,
ρ is the mass density of the fluid (air),
u is the velocity of the object relative to the fluid (air),
A is the reference area, and
CD is the drag coefficient — a dimensionless constant, e.g. 0.25 to 0.45 for a car.

By using the equation, we will learn that the Drag Force (FD) are subjected to air density, velocity of the car relative to the air, the car reference (surface) area & the car's drag coefficient (which is 0.29 in value for Forte if i'm not mistaken). Since that we can do almost nothing to change the value of the air density & the drag coefficient, so only got two variables in our direct control which are the surface area of the car & the car's speed itself.

Note from the equation that more surface area (like installing BK) will contribute to more FD = more FC.
The most important thing & worth to note is that the FD increases with the square of velocity. So every km/h increase in speed will significantly contribute to the FD value thus the FC will also increases significantly. This explains why the FC is very high at a high speed coz the engine need to produce more power to overcome the high drag force. Am i sounds too technical?

This post has been edited by izputra: Jul 19 2010, 11:20 AM

If u desperately in need of a car, opt for 1.6..no doubt.
Else, if u willing to wait & have extra money to spend, the 2.0 is worth the wait

Good reasons buying the 2.0 :

1. more power
2. 6 airbags
3. leather seats
4. auto-cruise control
5. motor driven (electric) power steering
6. drive-by-wire throttle system

Bad reasons buying the 2.0 :

1. more downpayment
2. more monthly installment
3. more insurance premium
4. more (higher) road tax to pay
5. more FC (if mainly on city driving)

Nope..1.6 got 'Drive-by-Cable Throttle System'
Other 1.6 owners can clarify this? bro KFC or bro phelix perhaps?

This post has been edited by izputra: Jul 19 2010, 01:40 PM

It is not a matter of lose or win. Both system serves its own purpose well that is to control the car speed. I quoted this from http://www.picoauto.com :

"The throttle cable has almost become redundant on today’s motor vehicle. The drive-by-wire system is by no means a new concept as it was introduced by BMW on their 7 series range back in 1988. The system BMW use is referred to as EML (German term for electronic throttle control). The system has now found its way onto other vehicles with humbler routes and can be found on base models. Historically a mechanical linkage between the accelerator pedal and the throttle butterfly has always existed, be it via a cable or via rods and linkages. These have now been replaced by sophisticated electronic control modules, sensors and actuators. This system is also referred to ‘Fly-by-Wire’.

There are several reasons why electronic throttle actuation is preferable to a conventional throttle cable:

* The vehicle’s on board electronic systems are able to control all of the engine’s operation with the exception of the amount of incoming air.
* The use of throttle actuation ensures that the engine only receives the correct amount of throttle opening for any give situation
* The optimisation of the air supply will also ensure that harmful exhaust emissions are kept to an absolute minimum and drivability is maintained, regardless of the circumstances. Coupling the electronic throttle actuation to the adaptive cruise control, traction control, idle speed control and vehicle stability control systems also means finer control can be achieved.

The use of such a system has advantages over the conventional cable version by:

* Eliminating the mechanical element of a throttle cable and substituting it with fast responding electronics, reduces the number of moving parts (and associated wear) and therefore requires minimum adjustment and maintenance.
* Greater accuracy of data improves the driveability of the vehicle, which in turn provides better response and economy."

Has been discussed in the earlier version of this thread. not sure which version though

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Added on July 19, 2010, 3:16 pmNot bad at all for a bigger CC & heavier car than the other two...

This post has been edited by izputra: Jul 19 2010, 03:16 PM

Sorry my bad..maybe u misunderstood my words that day...

Actually i'm not complaining about the comfortness of the leather seat for the 2nd batch of 2.0. The seat feels as comfort as mine (1st batch of 2.0). But the leather itself feels not as soft as the first batch one. It feels a little bit hard to the touch. Anyway..i repeat, it was as comfy as mine

One more thing i realise when seating in the 2nd batch of 2.0, the front seats are not fully covered or wrapped by leather. one side of the seat (near the hand brake) are still fabric in material & that surprised me. I personally feels that Naza should wrap the seat entirely with leather as what they did to the first batch of 2.0. I dont know whether or not this wrapping style applies to all 2nd batch of 2.0 & other new batches later on? Anyhow..2nd batch of 2.0 got the red stitching on its leather seat..i have to say that it looks better as compared to mine (black stitching)

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Added on July 20, 2010, 8:02 amHahaha...somehow i missed my undergraduate days as an engineering student

This post has been edited by izputra: Jul 20 2010, 08:02 AM

yupp..both side

Kindly look & search in Mudah.my or perhaps also in this forum from time to time. Few weeks ago got someone selling the 1.6SX (year 2009) for about RM76k if i'm not mistaken & the car has been sold in no time

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Added on July 20, 2010, 11:33 amAiyaa..kindly dont call me sifu laa Me also not expert enough. Maybe i'm wrong also. i just try to recall back the theoretical parts of Force & Aerodynamics for practical purposes. hopefully my memory still serves me well..already 9 years leaving college u know & i did not practice it either on my current job

Somehow your SC manager's statement might be right also. If the BK was designed & tested properly in a wind tunnel (to get the best design for streamline air flow especially under the car), the BK might reduce the Drag Force (FD) under the car thus improving FC. But this improving FC figure are ignorable/unnoticeable at a low speed. It is somewhat more noticeable at a high speed cruising. In conclusion, i'm not sure enough whether our versions of BK that available here are properly design (for streamline air-flow) & fully tested (wind tunnel) or not? At least the BK do the justice to my eyes coz our Forte looks very nice & sporty with BK actually

This post has been edited by izputra: Jul 20 2010, 12:07 PM

Yeahh..that's true. Even the mighty iPhone also assembled in China. Does it compromise the iPhone quality? Not at all, i'm sure enough...

Metal Bronzey Car Club dont have mehh?

Yaa..i sokong. If the normal side mirror cost u RM1k++, better opt for auto retractable door mirror for additional several hundreds RM

That includes me...

Yup..that's true. Only dont have the retractable motor