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 Planted Aquarium V5, Scape it NOW !! for IAPLC2011

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post Aug 13 2010, 04:11 PM

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QUOTE(moe81 @ Aug 13 2010, 03:00 PM)
then ur solenoid is good right?  just go to pasar road(jln pasar, pudu) and buy a regulator and fix back ur solenoid valve to it la... does this help?
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can get good regulator from jln pasar meh?, all those I found are good for welding type wor,....

the other very good regulator I found (which is demm expensive) are medical regulators that makes controling bps as easy as open and close water tap (but really expensive lah)
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post Aug 14 2010, 12:38 AM

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QUOTE(nicotine @ Aug 13 2010, 10:15 PM)
SOS ..... tank infested with algae lol..
patch of brown color thingy all over my glosso, java moss and some green spot on glass ...

any recommendation for chemical remedy ?

done some unker google all say oto and sae ... hmm how much those fella gonna cost eh ?
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a. brown color thingy - how is it like?
a.1. slimy, if u pick them up, it looks like a cluster of hair?
a.2. looks like a layer of coating?
a.3. short tuff of hair, feels like fur

for a.1. 50% chance BGA/50% is BBA - ref to a.3
for a.2. 90% chance BGA
to confirm BGA, check your pH if it is like 10 or 11, you definitely got BGA

b. green spot.
b.1. green dot on leaves?
b.2. powdery green stuff that looks like coating

for b.1. add K
for b.2 BGA

For fighting BGA, in steps
1. clean up composting material e.g roting leaves, fish poo, and food left over
2. re-cycle the water, good bacteria will eat up BGA (and BGA is actually poisonous to OTTO and SAE)
3. trim your plants, to improve water circulation BGA thrives on slow flowing water with lots of waste, good water flow will actually move the waste material around and hence easier to clean up.
4. clean your filter, BGA thrives also on the waste material inside the filter.

recmd tools
1. use the tank vacuum cleaner, LFS will know (a big tube that connects to a small tube device)
2. increase water acidity, all plants can tolerate ph4 for a short time (a few days) BGA can't stand acidity and BGA actually can change the water to alkali (I normally add 1 cap of white vinegar)

If you follow the SOP, and the BGA still hold strong, then you can resort to use medication (google for antibiotic for BGA, and there is a human antibiotic that you can use and if the clinic do sell to you, it only costs 50 sen per tablet)


Added on August 14, 2010, 12:41 am
QUOTE(crewmy @ Aug 14 2010, 12:17 AM)
Just sharing my tank picture...time for trimming...

Appreciate comments, suggestions, anything...Thanks!

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how old?, i like the way you manage the japonica, mine always end up being too dense, did you trim them off time by time or re plant them?

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post Aug 14 2010, 07:06 AM

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QUOTE(moe81 @ Aug 14 2010, 01:01 AM)
wow bro, u're very resourceful... i'm glad we have great sifus like u here that can help us new comers out..

i realised some bad algae two days ago in my tank.. i think it's diatoms(brown algae). it looks pretty much like the pic below:
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it was all over my moss too.. i wondering for the past week or so y wasn't all my plants breathing properly(having small bubbles comin out of the leaves when light is on), then i realised this slimy brown thing covering all over them..

i siphoned all the algae out. trimmed a lot of my moss and fissiden. brused my plants with my fingers vigorously, made a mess outta that clear water, and siphoned out more of the stuff in my water. did some 1/3 WC. after half over i saw most of the plants were bubbling so much.. i hope that's a good sign..

is there anythin i shud do to follow-up? to keep the algae from re-appearing? anything at all that u can think of would be of a great help for me.. thanks in advance.


Added on August 14, 2010, 1:09 am

Great setup... rclxms.gif
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ottos are great with diatoms, try rearing snail right now east aqua got new stock, get the spiky ones, yesterday they got about 300+ new snails, 50% transferred to mid valley oredi, be quick, they don't last long.

btw, i want fissidens, do you have spare?, I am also looking for mini pelia, you have?, my tank is half dead because of some major transfer from 3 ft to 2 ft and also lightning problem.

becareful with slimes, traditionaly BGA is blue green, I have seen brownish ones too, BGA likes to appear as slimy stuff, and they are very good at photosynthesis hence produces air bubbles.

the best way to fight BGA is prevention, the main source of BGA is too much dead stuff with poor water flow (which is why you get them when the tank is old and the hardware are getting weaker e.g. filter flow rate reduced and plants getting too bushy). Also skimmer is also helpful because skimmer reduces the surface film (which is not water, but by product of free floating BGA, if surface film is a consistent problem you could get BGA, skimmer actually sucks them into the filter and drowns them)

Hence, the tank vacuum till date is the most effective way to clear the dead stuff (cost abt 15 - 30 depending on size), and the best way to clear waste is to add bottom feeders like snails (that is why I mention earlier, those ugly white small snails is good to have them around), and also bacter ball, till date bacter ball is the most effective ones (if u dun mind, we can buy 1 bottle discounted from east aqua and share among us)

Proper macro nutrients dousing can also fight algae, so far I learn from other sifus, adding N prevents BGA, adding K fights spot and dust algae, (that is because certain algae thrives on shortage or surplus of certain nutrients) that is why seachem or ADA is worthwhile.

At this rate, I think I wanna start blogging about this,.... will you guys read it? LOL

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post Aug 14 2010, 03:07 PM

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QUOTE(moe81 @ Aug 14 2010, 02:37 PM)
hey bro, cun punya scaping.. alot to learn from u too...


Added on August 14, 2010, 2:45 pm

i'll definately read ur blog if u start one..

i think the stuff that i siphoned out yesterday is re-appearing today la..  cud this be BGA? 
i've also been adding seachem N for about 2 weeks now... i have florish, trace, K,N,Iron... still looking for P and excel.. out of stock in ikano..

u think snail can eat BGA? if at all i have BGA, what's my next coarse of action?
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I suspect only lah, if it is BGA, N is good for prevention, not fighting it.

Somesay BGA can die if you put tank in complete darkness for 3 days, but I find this not helpful, my worst out break, I end up using chemicals and re-cycle the tank.


Added on August 14, 2010, 3:16 pm
QUOTE(chuppy2 @ Aug 14 2010, 10:50 AM)
Sharing what I submitted for this year.. did not score well but oh well, 2011!

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whoa! brilliant layout!

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post Aug 15 2010, 05:22 PM

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QUOTE(moe81 @ Aug 15 2010, 04:57 PM)
@drew

hey drew, remember u gave me some guidance in planting the rotalas.. i did exactly how u told.. but now the rotalas almost reaching the top... any advice on how shall i trim it? exactly at what height shud the trimming be done and do i replant the trimmed rotala? u know i'm not really good at this so any guidance will be of a great help.. thank u in advance.

@Monsterjin

the brown slimy (cob web looking) thing is reappearing by day.. yesterday i siphone out, today again some re-appearing... do u think it's BGA? when u said recycle the tank, what do u mean? thanks
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is the slimy thingy looks like soaked sushi seaweed?, if yes, I am 90% sure you have bga. Can you check your ph?, generally bad out break of bga will cause ph to rise.

BGA is actually one type of bacteria that thrives on breaking down waste material, that is why, when the water flow is slow and the waste build up is high, you get them easily. BGA's career started off as free floating bacteria that creates surface film (P1), on it's second stage of life, it becomes aquatic (P2) and start chowing down the waste material. Adding N will prevent P1 to P2 conversion, once you reach P2, it is a different war.

It is actually poisonous, in bright light, they will photosynthesis, and it's cousin is spirulina

I am not too sure how serious is your outbreak, but the following steps have been used in super ultra outbreak, e.g. 80% infected
What you can do is follows

Phase 1
a. clearout as much as those slimy stuff as possible
b. clearout all the waste material

Phase 2. add bacter ball, because the bacteria strain in bacterball do what bga does best but more effective. it will out perform the bga
a. add 1 bacterball per 10G as close as possible to the bga
b. results varies from 1 day to 1 week
concern - none, and tried before in nanotank

Phase 2a (results is either immediate or within days) bga hates acidic water
a. fight with Ph, , either you increase co2 (which will help plants to photosyntesis more to eat up more nutrients and makes water more acidic)
b. add vinegar, it works for my nanotank, at ph 4.5 the bga dissapeared overnight (do it at own risk)
concern - low ph also kills good bacteria

Phase 2b (fight with darkness) bga love light but sensitive to darkness
a. wrap the tank with garbage bag, not even 1 cm of hole is permitted 100% darkness is needed
b. shut off all light
c. leave it for 3 days
concern - light sensitive plants don't like it

Phase 2c (fight with chemicals)
a. get myracyn (so far I have yet to find any shop selling this)
b. get erythromycin (this is a human antibiotic which some doctors or pharmacist might sell to you) half tablet per 10G twice daily, for 5 days
concern - you might create super bga, tried before, it works like magic but ended up replanting after 9 months

Phase 3c - remove the antibiotic
a. add carbon and
b. do a 30% water change twice within 1 week
c. re-cycle the tank (means add new friendly bacteria) - nutrafin have an excellent product for this

Phase 3d (if the tank got taken over)
a. replant


Added on August 15, 2010, 5:29 pm
QUOTE(nicotine @ Aug 14 2010, 06:15 PM)
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very good info. my tank Ph should be around 6.5-7 according to drop checker. 

kena a3, b1
done some changes on water circulation, trim quite some stem plant, overdose K, and finger cross lol, gonna shop for some otto @ midvalley later biggrin.gif
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recmd you try seachem excel (2x the recmd dose - but some plants can't handle it) and seachem pottasium (K), i think is bba - seachem excel destroys bba

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post Aug 16 2010, 08:05 AM

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QUOTE(moe81 @ Aug 16 2010, 12:06 AM)
Thanks monster jin..

this is what i did... please follow through and do let me know if i did anythin wrong or, if there's a better way to tackle certain issue.

first of all.. i tested the PH... as was hoping and keeping my fingers crossed, the PH wasn't basic(base/alkaline).. it was actually 6.0.. that was slightly acidic..

at this point i had 2 options to slighly increase the PH(to about 6.5-6.8). 1) i cud reduce the CO2. 2) i cud use the cabonate hardness buffer.

sisnce my CO2 level was only about 2bps, i figured reducing it further my deprive my plants. coz 4 feet tank and quite heavily planted. so, i used the cobonate hardness buffer half a spoon to increase the PH to 0.5..  u think i did ok? let me know if i did anything wrong.. only after doin this recall somethin from the back of my mind that somebody in here said it's not good to use the carbonate buffer..  icon_question.gif

then, since the PH wasn't high, i thot i cud get some algae eating specimens to tackle this prob.. i bought 5 ottos, 5 snails and, 15 RCS..

do u think my choice of action may improve the dillema i'm facing? please advice..
thanks drew.. i perfectly understnd what u're saying..

but, what u mean by this 'I usually let the bottom stem part to stay healthy as well'  ? is there aspecific way to keep the bottom stem healthy..

coz from my observation, the bottom part kinda look a lil unhealthy with decaying leaves.. please do advice..
thanks guys for all the support and the time to answer my miserable queries..
p.s. once i get this algae problem sorted i'll be trimming my rotalas.. so, i'll have quite a bit of rotalas in hand to give away.. mosterjin, u said u'd want some right?
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I suspect your problem is only 1 spot but not the whole tank, right?

Don't cut your Co2, at 6 is OK, bga will only make things more alkali, the way you should handle this is as follows,

a. try to maintain the photosynthesis level as consistent as possible, you can have more but not less

b. work on elements that the algae don't like (bga hates acidity)

c. work on removing the algae

If your condition is only on 1 sellected area, item "a" is very important, and if it is only 1 small area, I suggest that you do some sacrifices, because my method is meant for major outbreak (just like carpet bombing), e.g. you are on a streak of busy projects and the tank was left unattended or etc.

well, I am out of clorox at the moment, otherwise I am OK, btw, there is another method which I have never used before because it is expensive, use the ADA anti bacterial solution (will check out the name later), anyone have rm 90 to experiment?
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post Aug 16 2010, 04:51 PM

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I think "thumb tacks" (jk), should do the inflow pipe i.e. the Eheim tongkat, and also the Eheim outlet pipe
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post Aug 17 2010, 04:33 PM

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QUOTE(imr4n @ Aug 17 2010, 10:33 AM)
the tank is non-aluminum, 2+ litres
manual regulator that's the cheapest i can found after going to a few shops
tubes i got free, from a ''secret'' source heh
so i think ok la for paying a bit extra for the regulator since i got the tubes free

after bought the conventional size regulator, i saw ISTA brand manual regulator which is really tiny, wonder if it's reliable
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it is more economical to reload a 3L tank, I could have sold you my 3L tank with all in at the same price if you negotiated with me because it is sitting in my cabinet doing nothing
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post Aug 18 2010, 12:22 PM

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QUOTE(Yaozz @ Aug 17 2010, 10:51 PM)
I just put one pack of it .  sad.gif
I never put anti chlorine the first time and it turns yellow also . cry.gif
ADA soil , Normal HOB filter , Roughly 1ft . Will post when i have my camera . sad.gif
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I suggest you start planting, since most of the stuff you already have. I recmd the following check list

a. light - E27 6.5k philips 18W or 23 W will do
b. cooling fan - you must because 1 ft tank heats up pretty fast

Recmd plants (medium size and easy to handle)
a. ricia or glosco
b. blixia japonica


Added on August 18, 2010, 12:23 pm
QUOTE(DikkieD @ Aug 18 2010, 09:26 AM)
Did you also wash and rinse the sand itself numerous times? All the smallest particles will start to float once submerged in water.

Do know that due time plants will filter your water too, so does your actual filter. Did you fire up your filter already?

If you leave the filter on...and wait for some hours...does the water turn ok again (as in particles sink to the bottom again)?

It's either driftwood or the soil/sand ... in both cases clean/rinse more and better. Did you actually buy actual fish tank driftwood? I know I guy that used a regular stick he found in the woods; that didn't end so well as all his fish died after that.


Added on August 18, 2010, 9:36 amGuys...is it difficult to find a 3'x0.8'x0.8' tank?

I saw one recently at the Perfect Living Fair, but it looked custom made. It's a small but wide tank...especially suitable for panoramic aquatic scenes; I was hoping to put some small fish in there....

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You can custom made it, East aqua do accept custom orders

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post Aug 18 2010, 06:06 PM

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QUOTE(pakutekan @ Aug 18 2010, 04:24 PM)
planning to get more acrylic tube soon..
hahaaa...maybe want to make intake pipe pulak...
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please do that, that will be better
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post Aug 19 2010, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(Adremier @ Aug 19 2010, 12:01 PM)
hehe.. i did said before... more light mean more chances for the algae outbreak.. smile.gif
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lol mine so bright oso no algae out break
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post Aug 20 2010, 10:06 AM

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I got ricia, 1 big clump, for exchange or FOC (self pick up) - rrp is rm 10


Added on August 20, 2010, 10:10 am
QUOTE(Adremier @ Aug 19 2010, 04:23 PM)
From where does it come actually?
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even 1 surviving algae spore is enough to wreck havoc if you have bad maintainance, the followings is a bad chemical for algae

a. waste management
b. poor management of good bacteria
c. old lighting (or unsuitable lighting)
d. bad nutrient management
e. infrequent algae removal

good maintainance -> good photosynthesis -> good environment -> good algae management


Added on August 20, 2010, 10:11 am
QUOTE(moe81 @ Aug 19 2010, 10:26 PM)
Ei, my mini puffer... i took it out of my tank after adding some shrimps.. then i remembered reading years ago that they are actually brackish water fish.. so, i tossed it into my saltwater tank.. and that thing surviving la.. lol
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post Aug 21 2010, 08:23 AM

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QUOTE(DikkieD @ Aug 20 2010, 08:07 PM)
Going to check out East Aqua (that's in Ikano Power Center right?) tomorrow for a custom build tank...100cmx25cmx25cm (or 100x20x20)...

Can't wait smile.gif
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If you don't mind paying you can request for Ajiya tempered glass, very transparent and durable glass. Otherwise, you can get some common aquarium makers (you will have to track them down via yellow pages)
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post Aug 21 2010, 11:29 AM

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QUOTE(radver @ Aug 21 2010, 11:13 AM)
Its suppose to turn red when the conditions are favorable to their growth, it means your plants are healthy la... thumbup.gif

Especially when there are adequate lighting in the aquarium, they will change the pigment in the newer leaves to absorb different light spectrum.  nod.gif

And only some species will turn red, not all. If want to stop the red from coming, you can always decrease your lighting... tongue.gif

Correct me if I'm wrong... hmm.gif
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yes you are correct, different lighting condition will change the colour of the plants, ironicaly, different manufacturer have different light spectrum output due to the inner coating and manufacturing process. I have seen the results differs from cheap strange brand to good brands.


Added on August 21, 2010, 11:32 am
QUOTE(michanz @ Aug 21 2010, 03:11 AM)
just go light shop / electrical shop..

i think the casing like those emergency light punya on the ceiling of stairs 1..

http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcR...I2woCECiAD5pTM=

i think lol
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I totally agree with you on this, the only challenge is to get a casing that is suitable.

I could have gotten somebody to fabricate for me, but end up the cost is very close to the ones in the fish shop, if there is anyway we can make it ourselves I am all in for it.

My experience is that T8 ballast is very easy to find, T5 now is easy but T5 24W for HO bulbs is quite hard to find, PL ballast so far is difficult to find.

IMHO, a few hundred is too overpriced

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post Aug 22 2010, 03:54 PM

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QUOTE(lordsothng @ Aug 22 2010, 02:12 PM)
same here.having fine hair-like algae on my plants leaves too and they're not eating it  sad.gif
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otto dun eat all type of algae, for hairy like ones, you are best settled by shrimps
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post Aug 23 2010, 07:27 AM

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QUOTE(the_catacombs @ Aug 23 2010, 03:46 AM)
my previous setup...

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lately the HG carpet starts to get botak d... HG uprooting itself... got minor algae attack as well... so i decided to rescape it... lower the substrate abit so the plants can grow more... 1ft height tank really too shallow to create nice scape....

i removed almost half of the substrate without disturbing it much... added a few pallets of iron bottom and multi bottom coz didnt do the base fert when i first started the tank... this is what i came up with...

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background, tonina... middle, riccia... front, UG... relocated my canister filter intake pipe as well.. looks more organized now...

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lomo shot of the middle rock...
lighting 55w... not really sufficient for UG i think... plans to upgrade another 55w... see budget how....
pressurized co2 tank... bps unsure coz didnt have bubble counter... pakai hentam only... lolz..
canister filter JET-3388...
fert using seachem trace element only... halfcap per week... ok ahh??...
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I rcmd your filter inflow and outflow to be located as, in flow on left, out flow on right (the head tilt 45% to the left) or vice versa, inflow and outflow having put close together is disadvantagous for the over all water flow
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post Aug 24 2010, 06:16 AM

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QUOTE(Yaozz @ Aug 24 2010, 12:19 AM)
hey guys . i plant some plants on my 1ft aquarium and it just come out the next day . any idea how to keep it stay at a place? and some of the plants just die for i dont know why . sad.gif
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for 1 ft tank, water condition tend to fluctuate like mad, unless you are in air cond room. Unless you can get temperature and water quality consistent, you are in for a big headache. My first tank was a 1 ft too, the temp was going from 28 - 32 C, when I get cooling fans, I was getting 25 - 27 C, then only I have a smooth planting experience.

about plant keep comming out, do you use tweezers? one trick that I use is put some stones next to the plant (small ones),

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post Aug 25 2010, 09:18 AM

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experiment on LED, I have read a lot on LED for planted tanks, so far, has anyone gotten their hands on LED lights for planted tanks?, I am seriously curious if the light is good enough for plants, this is probably the most worthy DIY project
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post Aug 27 2010, 08:27 AM

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QUOTE(radver @ Aug 26 2010, 10:33 PM)
WTA how often you guys change your light bulbs??? hmm.gif And whats the indication for you to change them??? Based on the duration of use? or the effect on the plants? etc?

I'm using 2 units of T8 fluorescent tubs and I change them every 12 months. Is it too often? or can I use them longer??? icon_question.gif
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Bulbs used, e27 normal philips for nanotank - 12 - 18 mths and t5 HO for 2 ft and 3ft - 12 mths if branded

How you know?, algae outbreak
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post Aug 29 2010, 07:59 AM

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QUOTE(booby @ Aug 28 2010, 11:43 PM)
hey good info there. but any idea which shop selling it?  hmm.gif

yea planning to change from HOB to canister now due to various reason after doing much reading  brows.gif
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ikea east aqua and 88marine in aman suria got sell similar ones, I am fortunate enough to have tried out this re-sun and also the ones sold in ikea and 88marine, and you will love the ones in ikea/88. it costs rm 140 (about that lah). currently I stopped scaping 1 ft tank, the small canister is being used as an auxilary filter in my 3 ft tank

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