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post Aug 13 2010, 02:19 PM

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QUOTE(Adremier @ Aug 13 2010, 11:52 AM)
Seem like the whole regulator got leaks.. do you have any source for the cheap solenoid regulator?
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the parts that leaks air are usually seals.. it pretty impossible for all oil seals to go bad at the same time. so try using thick soap water and a brush and apply it gently on the area that leaking so u can pin point where the leak is comin from.. from there, can see what need to be done.

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post Aug 13 2010, 03:00 PM

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QUOTE(Adremier @ Aug 13 2010, 02:50 PM)
The guy from pets mart 88 showed the leak in front of me.
He remove the solenoid from the regulator and submerge the CO2 tank in the water.. bubble is coming out from everywhere..
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then ur solenoid is good right? just go to pasar road(jln pasar, pudu) and buy a regulator and fix back ur solenoid valve to it la... does this help?
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post Aug 14 2010, 01:01 AM

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QUOTE(Monsterjin @ Aug 14 2010, 12:38 AM)
a. brown color thingy - how is it like?
a.1. slimy, if u pick them up, it looks like a cluster of hair?
a.2. looks like a layer of coating?
a.3. short tuff of hair, feels like fur

for a.1. 50% chance BGA/50% is BBA - ref to a.3
for a.2. 90% chance BGA
to confirm BGA, check your pH if it is like 10 or 11, you definitely got BGA

b. green spot.
b.1. green dot on leaves?
b.2. powdery green stuff that looks like coating

for b.1. add K
for b.2 BGA

For fighting BGA, in steps
1. clean up composting material e.g roting leaves, fish poo, and food left over
2. re-cycle the water, good bacteria will eat up BGA (and BGA is actually poisonous to OTTO and SAE)
3. trim your plants, to improve water circulation BGA thrives on slow flowing water with lots of waste, good water flow will actually move the waste material around and hence easier to clean up.
4. clean your filter, BGA thrives also on the waste material inside the filter.

recmd tools
1. use the tank vacuum cleaner, LFS will know (a big tube that connects to a small tube device)
2. increase water acidity, all plants can tolerate ph4 for a short time (a few days) BGA can't stand acidity and BGA actually can change the water to alkali (I normally add 1 cap of white vinegar)

If you follow the SOP, and the BGA still hold strong, then you can resort to use medication (google for antibiotic for BGA, and there is a human antibiotic that you can use and if the clinic do sell to you, it only costs 50 sen per tablet)

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wow bro, u're very resourceful... i'm glad we have great sifus like u here that can help us new comers out..

i realised some bad algae two days ago in my tank.. i think it's diatoms(brown algae). it looks pretty much like the pic below:
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it was all over my moss too.. i wondering for the past week or so y wasn't all my plants breathing properly(having small bubbles comin out of the leaves when light is on), then i realised this slimy brown thing covering all over them..

i siphoned all the algae out. trimmed a lot of my moss and fissiden. brused my plants with my fingers vigorously, made a mess outta that clear water, and siphoned out more of the stuff in my water. did some 1/3 WC. after half over i saw most of the plants were bubbling so much.. i hope that's a good sign..

is there anythin i shud do to follow-up? to keep the algae from re-appearing? anything at all that u can think of would be of a great help for me.. thanks in advance.


Added on August 14, 2010, 1:09 am
QUOTE(crewmy @ Aug 14 2010, 12:17 AM)
Just sharing my tank picture...time for trimming...

Appreciate comments, suggestions, anything...Thanks!

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Great setup... rclxms.gif

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post Aug 14 2010, 02:37 PM

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QUOTE(chuppy2 @ Aug 14 2010, 10:50 AM)
Sharing what I submitted for this year.. did not score well but oh well, 2011!

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hey bro, cun punya scaping.. alot to learn from u too...


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QUOTE(Monsterjin @ Aug 14 2010, 07:06 AM)
ottos are great with diatoms, try rearing snail right now east aqua got new stock, get the spiky ones, yesterday they got about 300+ new snails, 50% transferred to mid valley oredi, be quick, they don't last long.

btw, i want fissidens, do you have spare?, I am also looking for mini pelia, you have?, my tank is half dead because of some major transfer from 3 ft to 2 ft and also lightning problem.

becareful with slimes, traditionaly BGA is blue green, I have seen brownish ones too, BGA likes to appear as slimy stuff, and they are very good at photosynthesis hence produces air bubbles.

the best way to fight BGA is prevention, the main source of BGA is too much dead stuff with poor water flow (which is why you get them when the tank is old and the hardware are getting weaker e.g. filter flow rate reduced and plants getting too bushy). Also skimmer is also helpful because skimmer reduces the surface film (which is not water, but by product of free floating BGA, if surface film is a consistent problem you could get BGA, skimmer actually sucks them into the filter and drowns them)

Hence, the tank vacuum till date is the most effective way to clear the dead stuff (cost abt 15 - 30 depending on size), and the best way to clear waste is to add bottom feeders like snails (that is why I mention earlier, those ugly white small snails is good to have them around), and also bacter ball, till date bacter ball is the most effective ones (if u dun mind, we can buy 1 bottle discounted from east aqua and share among us)

Proper macro nutrients dousing can also fight algae, so far I learn from other sifus, adding N prevents BGA, adding K fights spot and dust algae, (that is because certain algae thrives on shortage or surplus of certain nutrients) that is why seachem or ADA is worthwhile.

At this rate, I think I wanna start blogging about this,.... will you guys read it? LOL
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i'll definately read ur blog if u start one..

i think the stuff that i siphoned out yesterday is re-appearing today la.. cud this be BGA?
i've also been adding seachem N for about 2 weeks now... i have florish, trace, K,N,Iron... still looking for P and excel.. out of stock in ikano..

u think snail can eat BGA? if at all i have BGA, what's my next coarse of action?

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post Aug 14 2010, 03:56 PM

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QUOTE(Monsterjin @ Aug 14 2010, 03:07 PM)
I suspect only lah, if it is BGA, N is good for prevention, not fighting it.

Somesay BGA can die if you put tank in complete darkness for 3 days, but I find this not helpful, my worst out break, I end up using chemicals and re-cycle the tank.


Added on August 14, 2010, 3:16 pm

whoa! brilliant layout!
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meaning?? can u elaborate a lil in detail?

thanks..
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post Aug 15 2010, 04:57 PM

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@drew

hey drew, remember u gave me some guidance in planting the rotalas.. i did exactly how u told.. but now the rotalas almost reaching the top... any advice on how shall i trim it? exactly at what height shud the trimming be done and do i replant the trimmed rotala? u know i'm not really good at this so any guidance will be of a great help.. thank u in advance.

@Monsterjin

the brown slimy (cob web looking) thing is reappearing by day.. yesterday i siphone out, today again some re-appearing... do u think it's BGA? when u said recycle the tank, what do u mean? thanks
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post Aug 16 2010, 12:06 AM

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QUOTE(Monsterjin @ Aug 15 2010, 05:22 PM)
is the slimy thingy looks like soaked sushi seaweed?, if yes, I am 90% sure you have bga. Can you check your ph?, generally bad out break of bga will cause ph to rise.

BGA is actually one type of bacteria that thrives on breaking down waste material, that is why, when the water flow is slow and the waste build up is high, you get them easily. BGA's career started off as free floating bacteria that creates surface film (P1), on it's second stage of life, it becomes aquatic (P2) and start chowing down the waste material. Adding N will prevent P1 to P2 conversion, once you reach P2, it is a different war.

It is actually poisonous, in bright light, they will photosynthesis, and it's cousin is spirulina

I am not too sure how serious is your outbreak, but the following steps have been used in super ultra outbreak, e.g. 80% infected
What you can do is follows

Phase 1
a. clearout as much as those slimy stuff as possible
b. clearout all the waste material

Phase 2. add bacter ball, because the bacteria strain in bacterball do what bga does best but more effective. it will out perform the bga
a. add 1 bacterball per 10G as close as possible to the bga
b. results varies from 1 day to 1 week
concern - none, and tried before in nanotank

Phase 2a (results is either immediate or within days) bga hates acidic water
a. fight with Ph, , either you increase co2 (which will help plants to photosyntesis more to eat up more nutrients and makes water more acidic)
b. add vinegar, it works for my nanotank, at ph 4.5 the bga dissapeared overnight (do it at own risk)
concern - low ph also kills good bacteria

Phase 2b (fight with darkness) bga love light but sensitive to darkness
a. wrap the tank with garbage bag, not even 1 cm of hole is permitted 100% darkness is needed
b. shut off all light
c. leave it for 3 days
concern - light sensitive plants don't like it

Phase 2c (fight with chemicals)
a. get myracyn (so far I have yet to find any shop selling this)
b. get erythromycin (this is a human antibiotic which some doctors or pharmacist might sell to you) half tablet per 10G twice daily, for 5 days
concern - you might create super bga, tried before, it works like magic but ended up replanting after 9 months

Phase 3c - remove the antibiotic
a. add carbon and
b. do a 30% water change twice within 1 week
c. re-cycle the tank (means add new friendly bacteria) - nutrafin have an excellent product for this

Phase 3d (if the tank got taken over)
a. replant


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Thanks monster jin..

this is what i did... please follow through and do let me know if i did anythin wrong or, if there's a better way to tackle certain issue.

first of all.. i tested the PH... as was hoping and keeping my fingers crossed, the PH wasn't basic(base/alkaline).. it was actually 6.0.. that was slightly acidic..

at this point i had 2 options to slighly increase the PH(to about 6.5-6.8). 1) i cud reduce the CO2. 2) i cud use the cabonate hardness buffer.

sisnce my CO2 level was only about 2bps, i figured reducing it further my deprive my plants. coz 4 feet tank and quite heavily planted. so, i used the cobonate hardness buffer half a spoon to increase the PH to 0.5.. u think i did ok? let me know if i did anything wrong.. only after doin this recall somethin from the back of my mind that somebody in here said it's not good to use the carbonate buffer.. icon_question.gif

then, since the PH wasn't high, i thot i cud get some algae eating specimens to tackle this prob.. i bought 5 ottos, 5 snails and, 15 RCS..

do u think my choice of action may improve the dillema i'm facing? please advice..



QUOTE(chuppy2 @ Aug 15 2010, 06:41 PM)
hey as long as it works!

@moe,
1st trim. i usually trim as low as i can.. maybe leave just 1 inch + left? but its risky if you don't know what you're doing as I dont replant..

I usually let the bottom stem part to stay healthy as well so it bushes itself automatically without the need to replant.

as you know once you trim, one stem turns into 2 /3 stemmed plants. the second trim, just trim those 2/3 nodes, then youll end up with 6+ stems , all from a single stalk! (means youre trimming upwards per trim.)

I hope you understood as I also have a hard time explaining on how to trim tongue.gif

Drew
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thanks drew.. i perfectly understnd what u're saying..

but, what u mean by this 'I usually let the bottom stem part to stay healthy as well' ? is there aspecific way to keep the bottom stem healthy..

coz from my observation, the bottom part kinda look a lil unhealthy with decaying leaves.. please do advice..



thanks guys for all the support and the time to answer my miserable queries..


p.s. once i get this algae problem sorted i'll be trimming my rotalas.. so, i'll have quite a bit of rotalas in hand to give away.. mosterjin, u said u'd want some right?
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post Aug 16 2010, 03:55 PM

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QUOTE(optune2u @ Aug 16 2010, 08:03 AM)
I would like some too if you have loads to give away.  Think michanz said he would like some too!!  smile.gif
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Sure optune... i will have alot to share.. will let ya'll know when i'm trimming.. michanz, u want some too right?


QUOTE(Monsterjin @ Aug 16 2010, 08:05 AM)
I suspect your problem is only 1 spot but not the whole tank, right?

Don't cut your Co2, at 6 is OK, bga will only make things more alkali, the way you should handle this is as follows,

a. try to maintain the photosynthesis level as consistent as possible, you can have more but not less

b. work on elements that the algae don't like (bga hates acidity)

c. work on removing the algae

If your condition is only on 1 sellected area, item "a" is very important, and if it is only 1 small area, I suggest that you do some sacrifices, because my method is meant for major outbreak (just like carpet bombing), e.g. you are on a streak of busy projects and the tank was left unattended or etc.

well, I am out of clorox at the moment, otherwise I am OK, btw, there is another method which I have never used before because it is expensive, use the ADA anti bacterial solution (will check out the name later), anyone have rm 90 to experiment?
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Ok bro.. thanks alot.. will work on what u suggested.. no algae on the rotalas la. they seem pretty fine. i don't think u have to soak it in clorox. btw it's only a few bucks for a bottle wat. heheh. forget ADA..over-priced la bro..hehe


QUOTE(pakutekan @ Aug 16 2010, 03:30 PM)
hahaaa.. cut cost la...
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yea pak, great jod on the lily pipe... looks pretty good in the picture.. NICE thumbup.gif

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post Aug 19 2010, 11:38 AM

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@ Monterjin

the algae outbreak happened in my tank when i increased from 4 t5 tubes to 6 t5 tubes la.. plus after i added the 2 hagen tubes, bizzerk la.. hahahah

well, it's getting much better now with the cleanup crew i added...hopefully in few more days it will be all clean..


i'll be trimming my rotala botak like how chuppy suggested in a few days.. maybe saturday... who ever wants can take la.. but dun fight uh.. LOL
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post Aug 19 2010, 10:26 PM

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Ei, my mini puffer... i took it out of my tank after adding some shrimps.. then i remembered reading years ago that they are actually brackish water fish.. so, i tossed it into my saltwater tank.. and that thing surviving la.. lol
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post Aug 20 2010, 10:25 AM

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QUOTE(Monsterjin @ Aug 20 2010, 10:06 AM)
I got ricia, 1 big clump, for exchange or FOC (self pick up) - rrp is rm 10


Added on August 20, 2010, 10:10 am

even 1 surviving algae spore is enough to wreck havoc if you have bad maintainance, the followings is a bad chemical for algae

a. waste management
b. poor management of good bacteria
c. old lighting (or unsuitable lighting)
d. bad nutrient management
e. infrequent algae removal

good maintainance -> good photosynthesis -> good environment -> good algae management


Added on August 20, 2010, 10:11 am

how's yer tank now? din log in for 2 days ord
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tank is doin much much better now... almost all the algae is gone.. i'm feeling uch better now... thanks a lot for all the advices.. nod.gif
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post Aug 24 2010, 10:51 AM

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well i use K, flourish, excel, P,N,trace, and Iron.. some are redundant. but seems ok.. i'm only dosing about 3 times a fortnight.. maybe shud try dosing twice a week..
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QUOTE(pakutekan @ Aug 24 2010, 12:07 PM)
LED lighting anyone??  biggrin.gif
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refer to here....http://www.my-mac.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=13053&p=120029#p120029

anyone have small tank for sale... cheap2 la... biggrin.gif
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Ai, i was just checkin ebay to buy some LEDs...

My newly set up marine tank needs a lighting system.. thot of goin for LED diy...

can u make? maybe we can combine effort... hmm.gif nod.gif
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post Aug 24 2010, 11:16 PM

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QUOTE(pakutekan @ Aug 24 2010, 05:33 PM)
for now i only have white led.. for marine i think you need some blue led rite?
btw not so hard to built it... if get proper material..LED, power supply and LED driver (constant current). in my project i DIY the driver.. commercial driver so expensive for me.

if i not mistake, you also join chuisui forum rite.. i saw couple of people make & sale LED lighting there..
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Yea i saw in chisui too... i think i can go scout out for LED in pasar road.. if still cannot, i'll buy from ebay la.. those 10W or the 20W pun jadi la.. but same price.. but pooki the shipping so damn high.. let's see if they can combine shipping...
i have power supply.. proper one.. 24v DC..

what about LED driver? how do u diy that? what component needed ?.. let me know i'll see if i can source out for it..
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post Aug 25 2010, 10:05 AM

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QUOTE(pakutekan @ Aug 25 2010, 12:48 AM)
10W or 20W? wow.. i dont think you can get it from jalan pasar.. but you can try la.. i suggest you go to shop called online component.. opposite plaza pudu..and also shop beside it i saw they also have reflector for led..

led driver i make it refer to this circuit
http://www.instructables.com/id/Power-LED-...nstant-current/
it's because led more depend on current.. get spec for the led..and power supply..then we can discuss/brainstorming.. heheee

interesting project i saw here...
http://www.aquaticquotient.com/forum/showt...-CREE-LED-Light
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nice one... i'm sure the components are not a big deal.. let me source for the LED at the moment.. and decide how many LED i need to use.. do u need any? let me know how many u need..

i was really thinking of using 10W LED.. and and secure it to the light casing using thearmal grease.. so no need heat sink... alright then, let me know how... worst come to worst may need to buy LED from online leh...
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post Aug 25 2010, 11:10 AM

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i have this..

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but the output is 4.5 A.. we just need a couple of resistors to regulate the voltage and the current.. i don't think we need mosfet and transistor.. one resistor in parallel to regulate the current and one resistor in series to regulate the voltage... we're done...


and this power supply i can get for about 60 RM la..

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post Aug 25 2010, 05:54 PM

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hahaha yea... excel smells kinda sweet...
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QUOTE(sexyme @ Sep 3 2010, 02:53 PM)
uh, how high is considered high ph and can be returned?

and also, how long to wait before the ph will normalize? the lfs guy told me need to wait about a month before the ph will go down then i can start putting shrimps in. its about a month and the ph is still 7.0. still cant put shrimps sad.gif
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maybe not enuf Co2... try increasing the Co2 a notch.. may be able to drop the ph bout half a point.. hopefully. good luck.. u do have Co2 right?
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QUOTE(ahrain @ Sep 6 2010, 09:03 AM)
Did anyone know where to buy the CO2 two way output?
I need to setup this for my two planted aquarium.

Thanks.
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well, i'd suggest u use the 2-way metal flow control valve... the one used for air pump.. but use it after the needle valve at the tank.. then use two check valves respectively and then followed two bubble counters and then again two check valves. i hope u get it..

i think can use this method la.. just arbitrarily thought of it. hopefully some sifu can comment with proper guidance.. sorry if my method is a serious code violation.. icon_rolleyes.gif
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post Sep 6 2010, 11:39 AM

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QUOTE(Azazel @ Sep 6 2010, 11:18 AM)
Moe: Dulu main cobras and vipers. Now main mini pokok. You are "turning" bro...LMAO!
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Married life la bro... Per nak buat??? LOL.. still have some of my precious 'stuff' hidden somewhere in the universe... Muahahahah...

But then again, my precious cud be worthless to ya'll la... LOL

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