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gto87
post Jul 25 2010, 02:43 PM

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QUOTE(Demonic Wrath @ Jul 25 2010, 01:20 PM)
I don't think GTX460 can impact HD5870's price tag. AMD has no reason to drop the price.
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QUOTE(law1777 @ Jul 25 2010, 01:59 PM)
lol its impossible for 460 to impact 5870. 5870 vs 470 now. 460 is no where near 470
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I didn't think the performance matters by now. Maybe in a few months time, the price of HD5850 (the former best bang for buck)will drop eventually if more people buy GTX460. The price gap between HD5870 and HD5850 will be huge and considering that it's the best single core card in HD5000's line, ATI will have no choice but to drop it's price to reduce the gap.
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post Jul 29 2010, 06:28 AM

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http://www.techspot.com/review/283-geforce...radeon-hd-5800/

This is the latest benchmark (June 2010) done using all 4 top GCs in market today. I'm sorry if somebody posted this before, but just to highlight that this is one of the most conclusive review for time being.

I'm not a fanboy and I'm not saying ATI is winning currently, but only GTX460 (a tweaked G92 chip iinm) impressed me in the current GTX400 series cards.


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post Jul 29 2010, 02:25 PM

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QUOTE(JoBigShow @ Jul 29 2010, 07:23 AM)
Marketing~wise, the GTX460 scores points with the consumers because of it's price, value~per~performance.
I would have gotten the GTX460 over the 5850 if they were to be launched at the same time because the 5850 falls a bit high up the price range for most consumers (noted that majority of GC consumers aren't working/career folk with two to three iPhones)

But again, if you take every graphic cards and stack them up from low, mid to high end, the 5850 is still bang~for~the~bucks overall, it's balanced performance (pwned all mid~end cards and considered high-end) and price tag (lowest price of the high end cards...excluding 5970 because that card is considered above high~end)

Having said, it would be a big mistake if I were to choose the GTX460 over the 5850, because the fact of the matter is, the 5850 dwells in the High-End card category and the GTX460 only dreams to be there.. (that's why there has the OC and SOC Version)  tongue.gif
So if you want a piece of a premium card and lowest of it's price, the 5850 still the choice...AT THE MOMENT that is... nod.gif
Anyways the review, I like the new method of testing the cards, it's more practical then just running those "auto-pilot" benchmarks...
So they are suggesting the HD5870 wins the round?  whistling.gif
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1) ATI made it possible for normal people to have High end card, while Nvidia quite frankly made the card for "watercoolers". Why? For the same money you buy a GTX480, you can actually purchase a HD5870+3rd party cooler. Better yet, if you got a good deal with your HD5870, you might end up having extra moolah for a 2nd hand physx card. Less heat, less power even after OCed, and less noise (with an option to add physx card).
Less heat and less noise with GTX480 equals to watercooling. NVIDIA knew they did a terrible card for normal users by producing GTX470, GTX480 and GTX465(utter failure).
Then GTX460 introduced......

GTX460 impressed me since Nvidia used the same chip as the 470/480, redefined it and found a more balanced solution in terms of performcance and business standing. It's an old chip tweaked to be a new chip iinm. It's not power hunger and we can't use it to fry eggs. Better yet, it has better temperature compare to HD5850 and the price is cheaper.

GF104 is the best answer for all that and if it can be the next "G92" for NVIDIA, (than I'll be more than happy to wait for the next Nvidia release.) The GC market will be as interesting as before. Just my 2 cents smile.gif

2)I love the review as well and loving the fact that HD5870 can close the gap with GTX480. But current crop of HD5k series card showed less to no improvement in their latest few CCC releases. That's disappointing. adeh~
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post Aug 10 2010, 04:21 PM

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I was told before that enabling v-sync for FPS games (CoD, BC, etc) is no good since it will skip frames which means .even if there was a little tearing, smoothness of the game and instantaneous response to mouse commands are more important. Vsync enabled can produce input lag on some game titles.

Just my 2 cents~
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post Aug 16 2010, 05:10 AM

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Hye guys, I'm planning on getting a TRad2 for my HD5870 (reference). I'll fix it together with my VRM-R4 cooler.

IN Thermalright website, they put up a compatibility table and for HD5870 with T-rad2 +vrm-r4 the compatibility is "conditional". What do they mean by that?
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post Aug 16 2010, 06:15 PM

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QUOTE(JoBigShow @ Aug 16 2010, 04:43 PM)
Bro, I thought you are planning to go for the Artic Cooling Accelero Twin Turbo Pro, change of mind?  biggrin.gif
If you are planning to get the T-rad2, two slim fans like the Scythe Musashi or equivalent slim fans should do the trick:
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I did my research and most people advice to go for MK-13 or Trad2 because both are better than TTP.

I'm currently hunting for slim fans, but still haven't found any.

Anyway, I think there's only minor difference in terms of performance between Schyte Musashi, Trad2 and Trad2 GTX, and since it's very hard to find Schyte, I opt to go for Trad2.

Thanks man.

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post Aug 19 2010, 07:55 PM

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QUOTE(Clem1982 @ Aug 19 2010, 07:36 AM)
Oh but it does idle at low clock speed currently at 157/300 hehe now using 10.4 driver only so its ok smile.gif
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I'm kinda confused here. You said that the clock didn't stay (after you overclock) infact it downclock to 157/300 when idle?

It's not possible with MSI afterburner for sure. The only way you can achieve that is by modding the GC bios. I'm sorry if I said anything wrong. Enlighten me please. smile.gif
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post Aug 20 2010, 07:30 AM

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QUOTE(Clem1982 @ Aug 19 2010, 07:36 AM)
Oh but it does idle at low clock speed currently at 157/300 hehe now using 10.4 driver only so its ok smile.gif
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Found the answer for it. It seems like 10.5 onwards ATI messed up with the driver. But I guess your fan speed stays the same (before and after you push your GPU)

Source

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post Sep 21 2010, 04:45 PM

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QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Sep 21 2010, 08:53 AM)
+1. 5870 is already overkill 1920x1080 resolution.  brows.gif Those who got 5870 should get monitor which higher than that resolution. ( Including me as well  tongue.gif )
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It's not overkill IMO, just that it can play smoother than other ATI cards, that's all. 2560*1440 and 2560*1600 are obviously two of the resolutions that I would like to avoid if I'm not on Crossfire and that is of course only HD5870 crossfire. Those resolution will make my stock clock single HD5870 perform like some mid end card in Full HD reso. Not worth it.

1920*1200 should be ok, but I don't see the point changing from 16:9 to 16:10. Just my 2 cents. smile.gif

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