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 Surround Speakers Placement, Use In-Ceiling Speakers As Alternative?

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paskal
post Jul 10 2010, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(echoesian @ Jul 10 2010, 11:57 AM)
There is no wall on these location, yes there is a wall around the entrance but the seat are located way back and there is also no wall around the stairs.... the only way is to put on stand sad.gif
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if i were you, i'd put the rear speakers on your proposed locations at the rear wall, on a wall mount higher than listening position and pull the cables down from the ceiling and compensate by increasing the surround level by a few dB.

sifus and articles might say it's not the best place to put it there, but i don't really care. with proper calibration, i doubt one could hear the difference. after all, 8 feet ain't that far anyway
paskal
post Jul 11 2010, 01:22 PM

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QUOTE(echoesian @ Jul 11 2010, 10:30 AM)
Paskal, thanks for your comment, what is the recommended height, I plan to mount it to the top corner which is about 6-7' high from ear level, would it be too high? I heard bipole speakers are good for surround use but direct radiating speakers are good for multi-channels music, but with my non-compliant placement, would it really make a difference?
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speaking as a non sifu and doesn't care much for the absolute best placement (opposed to realistic placement as it is in the living room), a few feet from ear level is good enough. if you can't find the space, ear level also sounds fine with me, just don't put the surround facing to each other as those will absolutely cancel each other out.

the recomended placement is a few feet higher than listening position (2-3 feet) facing downwards. but like i said, if 6-7 feet looks nicer, then by all means put it at 6-7 feet.
bipole/dipole are (IMHO) good if you have a large space. but if you sit on the same spot everytime and doesn't care for what other audience next to you hears, then i do think direct radiating surrounds are better. after all, calibration are done to make the centre seat the best place to be.

but if you prefer bipole/dipole, then by all means go with them. it's just that i prefer direct radiating. personal preference.
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post Jul 11 2010, 10:43 PM

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QUOTE(Skylinestar @ Jul 11 2010, 06:22 PM)
yes, there are speaker bracket that allows you to tilt it downwards. I saw it in ACE Hardware. A pair (made of metal, black color & packed in a box)  costs about RM38.90. Build quality looks good.

i have a question regarding surround speaker placement at the sidewall, at the recommended angle of 110 degree from the front and at 3 feet higher than listening-ear level. do i still need to tilt the speaker downward?

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if the speakers are not aiming at the listening position, where is it aiming at? behind your sweet spot as well as above your head ?(since the speaker is 3 feet higher than your ear) does that principle only holds true to direct-radiating speaker? how about dipoles? do you place them on your sides aka 90 degree?

at dts website, if you watch the "designing spaces" show featuring dts, you'll found out that the surround speakers are placed at ear level. is that wrong?

anyone has the dts hd-ma bike racing demo original m2ts video? care to share? drool.gif

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LoL.. the author must have a huge preference in using bipolar/dipolar speakers for surrounds. some swears that bipolar/dipolar diffused and airy sounds better in creating the surround effect.

like i said, personal preference.
mount the speakers on wall mount and tweak to your heart desire. change the angle, fire it to the walls, to the ceiling, to the floor, to your ears and see which sounds better to YOUR EARS. if you can't make up your mind, then test on stands first. or put the speaker on a ladder. tongue.gif

i prefer direct radiating speaker. sounds more accurate to my ears. smoother transition around the listening space. better ambience (at the listening position) produced than bipolar. so i went with bookshelf for surround. sifus might not like/recomend it. but sifu ain't gonna listen to it everyday. i am.

 

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