Slardar is a teamplayer. Early game, farm. Late game, support. Weakness is one of the best support enchants in the game. If you're a deso fan, then his ultimate is the kind of spell that you will always want to cast on your enemy first chance you get. It makes all the difference. Dagger of escape is your friend. Nevermind that BKB. In team battles, if you can pull off just one nice stun on all of them and faerie fire their VIP hero, you more or less got that battle made.

anyway can we just forget 5.84c? that version sucks even worse than 84b, and the 6.series is 10xxx better than the old one anyway.

this reminds me of a time when i was just starting out dota and bought two hypers. this malatlou bone fellow came and told me 'hey hyperstones don't stack'... i was like,

'realleh? why do i feel like my attack speed is faster one'

'nolah it doesn't stack!'

'then what am i supposed to do with this.. thing i spent 2450 gold for!?!?!'

'well you can give it to me, selling it is quite a waste'

'oklah.. here have it... curse my noob ignorace!'

well curse my noob ignorance indeed>:(

actually on the matter of pumping, it depends on your viewpoint. u can look at it as 'unfair' or 'fair' but the truth is this is an option in the game that can be done. the same goes for abusing bugs in the game. are you going to say that hitting buildings with the silencer's infernal is illegal? It's also a bug what. Same as pumping sven/bones or whatever, because this is all part of the game. If you use a 3rd party maphack prog, then that's wrong but ppl who pump aren't cheating, they're just doing what the game let's them do.

Same thing in competitions. If no rule says you cannot pump or "pass items to another hero", then it's anyone's game to do that. There is nothing to do with Honor here. It's subjective.

Are you going to say gangbanging is dishonorable? It's 5 ppl vs 1 person. Dishonorable? Or just something that you can do in the game.

The problem is alot of ppl think wow this is so abusable, that's cheating. The guy is making use of an exploit! Ban him. But hello? That's not his fault. Blame the developer for not fixing that bug/exploit. Blame the organizers for willing to choose a buggy game for their tournament. Blame yourselves for stickin with a buggy version like 5.84.

Yes, the fact is nobody is perfect. Bugs will happen, but that's up to anyone's discretion how to abuse them. If a tournament chose a game, and someone discovered an exploit in the game and use it to win the tournament, do we discredit him of the win? The fact is, he did win by way of the exploit. If you don't want that to happen, you should get the exploit fixed in the first place.

So the next time someone pumps a medusa and the rest of the team mantas her, dun call those people dishonorable or cheating. It's part of the game. If you want to call anyone names, call yourself a mule for sticking with 5.84 when there are so many more balanced and better verions out there already.

PS. Spiritbreaker R0x0rs:P

PSS. Yukito, for SA usually i go for a band, and then sange+yasha as my first items. the sange is good for a healthboost so u can tahan midgame when everyone gets their maelstorms and such. if you farmed well, u can get your diffusal here too. if not, get it by late game and upgrade it into a manta + the s+y into a s&y. don't bother with a butterfly unless you've done very good early game. ur better off getting a hyperstone after that so you can keep your maim+smokescreen at a maximum potential. a hybrid strat is get guinsoo's instead of diffusal so you can smoke+backstab+sheep for more backstabbing, chase a little, blink strike and smoke again. of course..this applies for solo hero killing only. teamgames just stick with the manta

This post has been edited by Cheese: May 5 2005, 04:34 PM