u may wanna try with Ah wang with Ursa vs ur venom, see who die first u can always ult + SS though it maybe double KO depending on the location of the map though.

higher than average heroes but of coz....if you are not using my build....i.e. bracers, heart/satanic....and str boost...he does die rather easily like any agil hero. it all depends on your item build, your skill, the hero you are fighting with, and your skill build.

sheesh....it wouldnt be double KO if i was using ursa
anyway, ursa would kill venom faster than the ult, SS, and addtional damage dealt. yeah also depends on the items....and who pursuing who . usually...ursa can run back to fountain before his hp drops to 0. It also wouldnt be double KO if ursa had TP or BoT.

This post has been edited by AlamakLor: Aug 19 2005, 10:40 AM

DK is good at killing non str heroes eh...early to mid game hero. shield bash...whack whack whack usually intel/agil heroes hp will fall below 50% then just firebreath = KO

if u read my post above....you should know that you wont get to kacau me. coz I wont give you the opportunity to. I dont attack creeps, so u cant hit me when i stay behind. and I am UBERLY aware of opponent hero movements, when you move forward, i'd move backward, and it's a good thing especially when u target me...the creeps will attack you the only down side is that...i dont get to kill creeps for extra gold.

ugh...TP only coz 135 bucks. I also dont use BoT, just an example. usually i go treads and S&Y. once i hit lvl 6-7, you will be surprised $135 for a TP to keep me alive from poison....why not btw...venom is very dependent on the ult + SS + attack combo + harrassment. without the ult, and not able to harrass (to get the additional poison damage....damn siong in early game), he is pretty hard to kill a hero, especially heroes with lots of hp. Ursa @ around lvl 7 will have 1k+ hp with 2-3 X bracers + treads (IIRC). he can kill venom and tp back before getting killed by poison, provided that he attack venom 1st. Even if venom gets to win the first match with ult + SS, the ult wont be ready when ursa comes back for the second and third time. without the combo i said above...it is not easy to kill a high hp hero so ursa wins if you know how to use him.

yeah i know it's a > 1 v 1 game. And obviously, if you are smart...you wont go the same lane as venom lar....can always switch lane what

This post has been edited by AlamakLor: Aug 19 2005, 11:26 AM

why dont u try it first, then tell me if it works instead of going theorycraft? or jsut watch my replay.

EDIT: btw, i dont think fury swipe is an orb effect. just like poison sting on venom...it says "does not stack" but when you put on a HoD....life steal works but i dunno if poison sting still works or not lar

EDIT2: fury swipe is an orb effect and just confirmed with fury + S&Y, seems like fury swipe works...but Maim dont ....dont ask me why XD

EDIT3: on second thought i think maim works as well...im not sure. as for venom's poison sting (says doesnt stack)...it does stack with life steal from helm of dominator....maybe lifesteal is not an orb effect on HoD?

This post has been edited by AlamakLor: Aug 19 2005, 11:55 AM

yeah, convert to melee player melee hero owns....rangers is so easy...u not sien meh? always venom...

my item build is usually this...ill go back to town to get the items in this order...

1) boots + circlet
2) 2 X gauntlet + 1 X circlet
3) 2 X bracers + glove of haste
4) treads + blades of alacrity
5) boots + yahsa
6) blades of attack
7) ogre axe + sange
8) sange and yasha
10) reaver
11) vit booster
12) heart

after hearts...usually GG but if not....u can get satanic for more hp (good for enraged) or maybe buriz....then butterfly

skill build:
OP, fury, OP, fury, OP, ult, OP (once lvl op....start KOing heroes like crazy), fury, fury, stat..........earthshock is always last.

kills?
go in forest...or behind enemy, overpower...wait for overpower to cooldown a little....then target opponent hero. just before it reaches the opponent...on enraged....whack 5 times...then u can choose to overpower again or just try your luck and see if u can kill the hero without anymore overpower. turn off enrage...move back and wait for another kill

usually i go....attack....net...attack....sleep....chase...attack...net...attack definitely need mirror and manta in late game...her dmg even with critical isnt high enough. i hope u didnt spend more than 1 skill point in her ult

cool . the main reason to get the S&Y isnt about the maim though...just for the sake of the added attack speed and movement speed.

need to sleep them coz net + attack cannot kill most heroes...even with mirror and crit. that's my experience. i use sleep to kill nowadays, back then, i only use sleep to run away XD

er...image cannot bash.....basher is not cheap ler...but it is all good. back then i love to use basher...2 X basher that is...but butterfly and buriz is irressistable ler!

to get both, u can use slardar/faceless void since they have passive bash....man void even have passive evasion (timewalk )

this is sad, just lost a game. ar mode, got silencer...didnt wanna lose the 500 bucks....so insisted to use him. opponent had druid, VS, QoP, zeus, and Axe. my goodness..they pushed like hell...and this tofu silencer die in like a few hits...and his uber low movespeed is just silly...cant even run away...

usually...i would screw them up by buying and giving items to opponent. or that I just ignore them and dont give a damn about what they say. so...yeah....i've encountered that before.

haha, yeah some people just dont understand the definition of backdoor. They think that while they are pushing like hell in all other lanes which isnt the lane that u are pushing. they expect that you have to fight with them together, and if you push other lanes till it hit their base...they say u are backdooring what a bunch of dumb nutz.

I've also played with a bunch of idiots who like to push like crazy eventhough their hero suck nuts and is feeding the opponents like hell. They expect me to be as dumb as them and push with them and when I farm at other lanes, knowing that those idiots are capable of holding the lane with the tower...they say that im a n00b and not helping hahaha damn i love to play with these people.

LOL illiterate people. u should speak the same language to get the idea into their mind. i.e. "hey...lu no know what is backdoor, and backstab kar? backstab = cucuk from belakang...something that lu like. backdoor = mari from belakang...not cuck lu...but lu's base/house/whatever. tau kar?"

they should understand this kind of language.

get original, play on bnet....you will be recruited into clans if u are good. and u can go from there

is there a way to force show unit hp instead of having to hold ALT all the time?

u are only safe for a few secs but hopefulyl u can run away/ kill the hero....before you shrink down

and it takes a sec or two to bolt ur opponent, and a few more secs to reach the hero...by the time you started whacking him 1-2 times....your body already deflate they need stronger viagra in BKB....imho