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objectifyme
post Jun 26 2010, 12:53 AM

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For anyone who doesn't already know, iOS 4 has a new feature called data protection. This feature enhances the built-in hardware encryption by protection the hardware encryption keys with your passcode. This provides an additional layer of protection for email messages and their attachments. Third-party applications may also use the data protection APIs in iOS 4 to further protect application data.

To activate, simply activate a passcode and verify that "Data protection is enabled." is shown at the bottom of the page - like this:

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If you upgraded from a device that came with iOS 3 pre-installed, you will have to restore your iPhone in order for data protection to work.

I hope this has helped someone. smile.gif

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post Jun 26 2010, 03:30 AM

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To all soon-to-be iPhone 4 users, note that there are current hardware issues regarding the stainless steel band (also known as the antenna) around the phone. It appears that when holding the two dividing parts of the band, the signal drops significantly. This has been proven true by a lot of the users and is also known by Steve Jobs himself. Job's response?

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Just avoid holding it in that way.

For more, check the sources:

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post Jun 26 2010, 03:41 AM

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QUOTE(honght @ Jun 26 2010, 03:33 AM)
I didn't face any reception problem yet, maybe I didn't call as much, well I have no idea.
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No issues at all with the reception? Try gripping the sides with more effort. The majority of users seem to notice their reception bars going down one by one when the sides are gripped. Also, I suppose this issue isn't widespread. Apparently it has to do with how conductive your skin is, according to an article on a webpage I forgot the name to.

P.s. How's the glass casing? Any scratches so far?

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post Jun 26 2010, 04:28 AM

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(Picture of Steve Job's presenting a demo to the Russian president)

After all the issues with the signal and reception, the fact that Steve Job's had to hold the iPhone 4 in this way clearly indicates that he knows that there's a problem with the antenna design. In fact, he probably knew about this all along, hence the sale of "bumpers" to fix the problem.

What is your opinion on this?
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post Jun 26 2010, 04:58 AM

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QUOTE(babyk @ Jun 26 2010, 04:49 AM)
Bumper acts as non electric charge material

Our body has electronic charges and it can discharge or accept radiation or micro voltage. Once our body touches RF item, our body will act as a bigger antenna.

But for higher frequencies, such as WCDMA uses 2100Mhz band, it will distort the radiation and thus cut off the frequencies.

Similar goes to WiFi signal which uses 2.4Ghz band

This is why the bumper act as a insulator between our body and the antenna
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Well explained.

In my opinion, it was just a sacrifice for design. Quite shallow, I must say.
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post Jun 26 2010, 12:44 PM

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QUOTE(beavis68 @ Jun 26 2010, 11:20 AM)
maybe yes...maybe not....but i'm glad to have it.......
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Any problems with the signal or reception so far?

You might want to check the wi-fi signal as well. After Steve Job's failed demo, it kinda got me worried. It was also funny that he had to ask everyone to turn their wi-fi off when the iPhone 3GS worked perfectly fine. The problem right now with the antenna just explains why his demo failed.

Steve Job's failed demo
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post Jun 26 2010, 01:08 PM

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QUOTE(bizness @ Jun 26 2010, 12:52 PM)
That is because too many people are using the wifi at the conference hall..I don't see anything wrong with the iPhone 4..

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Why is it that the iPhone 3GS connected with no problems whatsoever? Even with the 2 emergency units used, the iPhone 3GS had no problems while the iPhone 4 couldn't even connect!

Just look up the antenna problems and you would see how my previous post makes sense.

Edit: Even if it is not a problem with the antenna (which most likely it is), that demo clearly shows that the iPhone 3GS is superior to the iPhone 4 in connectivity.

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post Jun 26 2010, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(nimrod323 @ Jun 26 2010, 02:01 PM)
ah dude if you check before you type the 3GS uses a different broadcomm chip then iphone 4 for wifi, the 3GS is up to G only while the iPhone 4 is up too N,and also to be fair the iphone 3GS was having issues as well(took time to load as opposed to seamless loading speed)
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Okay, I don't get it. What does that have to do with the antenna? Sure, it uses a different chip. But if the antenna is the problem, it doesn't really matter what chip it uses, does it?

Note: No intention of stirring up an argument. Just looking for answers. smile.gif

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post Jun 26 2010, 03:05 PM

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QUOTE(Masamune @ Jun 26 2010, 02:52 PM)
It matters. N wireless network and G wireless network works at a totally different way. Not to mention different bands. But the iPhone 4 was mentioned to use the 2.4GHz only.

In my point of view..i think because most laptops etc during the keynote is using N-wireless and all this time iPhone presentation uses the G-wireless. But when apple launched the iPhone 4 with N-wireless capabilities the network got congested.

Just my 2 cents.
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As far as I know, as long as the device (regardless of whether it runs wireless N or G) is connected to the same network, there shouldn't be any connectivity problems. For example, if both wireless N and wireless G are connecting to a 5 mbps connection over wi-fi, both would connect the same way except that N would have a higher speed cap and better range. I don't believe that all N wireless cards would connect through a N portal and all G cards would connect through a G portal. The only thing N gives, in my opinion, is superior speed cap and signal (due to the larger range it covers.).

If I am wrong please correct me with some sources. This is just from my own understanding. I have not done any research.
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post Jun 26 2010, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(Masamune @ Jun 26 2010, 03:16 PM)
I didn't do any research also. But based on my experience in my shared apartment with my friends. Only my mac has the N-wireless capabilities compared to my friends. And i can see a noticeable difference in browsing speed etc.
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Yup, of course. N-wireless covers better range, therefore it has better signal and speed.
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post Jun 26 2010, 06:16 PM

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QUOTE(michael_cool @ Jun 26 2010, 05:56 PM)
I myself doesnt possess a iphone. If i not mistaken, now 3GS by using itunes can free update or install IOS 4, is it true? If is so but why stil got ppl offer or download fr internet for 3GS upgrade to IOS4? Or those jailbreak 3GS nid tis kind of "support"?
Jailbroken 3GS phones can still update using iTunes with no problems whatsoever. The iOS 4 download on the web is just an alternative for people who choose not to use iTunes to download it. This is due to problems with the iTunes downloader, slower speed, etc.

QUOTE(michael_cool @ Jun 26 2010, 05:56 PM)
Is ther any1 try compare b4 => 3GS wit IOS4 COMPARE wit Iphone4 wit IOS4 performance? Same OS but diff hardware/hp~
iPhone 4 running iOS 4 should be much faster than 3GS due to the newer hardware (1 GHz processor and 512 MB RAM). Technically, the OS should run much smoother and quicker than before.
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post Jun 26 2010, 06:57 PM

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QUOTE(nimrod323 @ Jun 26 2010, 06:31 PM)
look buddy we are not talking about congestion in a similar connection, its basically issues with overload bandwith, because there were 500++ personal mifi devices emitting either N or G wireless signals at the same time in a packed room it has nothing to do with connection speed,

This should explain the predicament better
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So what you are suggesting is that the connectivity problems were not related to the antenna, but due to an overload in bandwidth?

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post Jun 26 2010, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(HW-Racer @ Jun 26 2010, 09:44 PM)
if we buy iphone 3GS from Maxis now...do u think it will be pre-installed with iOS4 ?  icon_question.gif
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Less likely. The iPhones that are available at Maxis are probably old stock and hence run on iOS 3.

But I'm sure you can get them to upgrade for you.

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post Jun 27 2010, 04:25 AM

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QUOTE(davidmak @ Jun 27 2010, 12:20 AM)
I saw your comments so I thought of giving you further insights into the problem. Actually the chip does play a major role in signal quality and reliability during calls/connection. With IC advancement and RF design, efficiency would be better. The iPhone 4's RF chip probably receive 1 full year of innovation since 3GS so it could be more sensitive to signals kinda like how a new GPS chip is better and more accurate than previous one.

Also new IC would allow new features or better control by firmware programming. As a result, handling of 2.5G/3.5G radios would be better especially the transition from one radio to the other when you move around. Also the handling of transfer from one cell to the other. It is typical for the phone to switch from 3G to 2G when 3G signal is weak and only to switch back to 3G when signal improves (due to power consumption and signal quality). With the typical antenna placement on the bottom of the phone (due to SAR requirements), this problem is amplified. Most dropped calls happen here when the phone switches radio. However, the base station also play a role in the handling of switching. And we all know AT&T's infrastructure is dodgy hehehe, so this is nothing new. This is also a limitation in the current mobile infrastructure we're using now. 

Another factor in dropped calls is when you move from one cell to another cell. The phone needs to register to the new station and service is transferred. MOst of the time this is transparent to us. Sometimes handling isn't smooth and you will get dropped calls. Anyway going back to the RF IC, there was suspicion that the IC used on 3G/3GS was flawed. So it does play a role in this issue. The antenna design serves to improve the efficiency of the whole setup and is just one part of the problem. By the way, there are reasons why antenna 'should be inside' the case. Hehehehe... There's one way to improve signal quality via antenna design. That is to adopt a 3D plane antenna. A good example is Acer's 3D WIFI plane antenna used on most of its laptop. The isotropy of radiation and its pattern is more evenly distributed. But you need more space, something iPhone doesn't have.

Before I forget, switching policies does make a difference too. For example, 3G preferred or 2G preferred or 3G only/2G only, etc. The policies are usually set in the interest of power consumption (due to near far phenomena of GSM radios) and signal quality vs signal strength. Sometimes strength doesn't mean anything when the quality is low.

These are some of my insights and 2 cents.
Thanks for the detailed explanation. smile.gif

On another note, Apple is releasing iOS 4.1 as fix for the antenna problems some time next Monday. thumbup.gif

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post Jun 27 2010, 04:21 PM

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To anyone who's currently using the iPhone 4,

How's the glass holding up? Any scratches yet? I'm debating on whether to fit mine into a case or to just leave it in the nude.

Also, is the stainless steel band prone to scratches? I would think so because the bumper only covers the stainless steel band.
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post Jun 27 2010, 06:28 PM

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QUOTE(Amaru @ Jun 27 2010, 06:08 PM)
Hi guys, I have an N82 and I'm planning to upgrade to an iPhone 4. I would like to ask a few questions.

1) I don't usually carry cables with me, so I normally transfer files via BlueTooth to other machines/phones. Does the iPhone 4 support this?

2) I have Linux (Ubuntu). Can I transfer files (with cable) or micro-sd card to/from the iPhone 4?

3) My current phone has lots of MP3 files. Some of them I use as alarm/SMS/ringtones, any problems to use them on an iPhone?

4) I heard iPhone 4 browser is much better and faster than other phones, so no problem if I visit Flash sites right?

5) I heard the new iPhone 4 has a front camera but only WiFi by default, but are there 3rd-party applications that can use it to communicate with other phones via 3G?

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1) Nope, the iPhone 4 doesn't support bluetooth transfers although it has bluetooth capabilities. You may, however, download an app that supports bluetooth transfers from one iPhone to another.

2) As far as I know, you will have to go through iTunes to put anything into your iPhone. With an exception to photos.

3) No problems with ringtones. Ringtones are fully compatible with the iPhone 4; however I'm not too sure about SMS or alarm tones.

4) iPhone's browser, Safari, is indeed faster than the majority of smartphone browsers out there. However, it doesn't support flash due to some issues concerning battery life, nature of flash, etc. Read more on the first post of this topic.

5) 3G meaning video call, right? At the moment - none that I know of. I'm guessing Skype will implement this later on, but I don't know.
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post Jun 27 2010, 07:14 PM

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QUOTE(Masamune @ Jun 27 2010, 07:04 PM)
There goes my dream of running around with a naked iPhone. cry.gif

Can any iPhone 4 owners clarify?
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post Jun 29 2010, 05:17 PM

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So, to purchase from the SG Apple Store, I'd need a Singaporean CC? I won't be able to use my Malaysian CC?
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post Jun 29 2010, 05:56 PM

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From the Singapore Apple Store, under shipping policy:

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Shopping outside Singapore

There are more than 20 Apple Online Stores in countries around the globe. The Apple Online Store Singapore ships only within Singapore. We do not ship to freight forwarders. If you would like to purchase Apple products from outside Singapore, please see our International Store Directory to find out if an Apple Online Store serves your country.


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post Jun 30 2010, 02:35 PM

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And the antenna problem still persists..

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Ever since Apple decided to do little about the iPhone 4's pronounced reception issues except suggest that users hold the thing differently and / or buy a nice case, the voodoo engineering remedies have been flying in full force -- sure, we'll admit we tried sticking some tape over the side of our phone (no dice), but we stopped short when people suggested we try a couple coats of nail polish (insanity). Even we have limits, after all. But the latest snake oil fix is definitely the craziest we've heard so far: according to a 13-page (and growing) thread at MacRumors, the iPhone 4's reception issue can be fixed by adjusting or even trimming the micro SIM so the contacts don't touch the metal tray. The popular belief is that touching the side of the phone somehow shorts across the micro SIM, causing (mumble mumble) and leading to dropped signal. Making things more interesting, Apple and AT&T are apparently using several different types of micro SIMs, including one with a significantly larger contact area -- you can check a shot of two of our iPhone 4 micro SIMs side-by-side after the break.

So does all this hocus pocus actually work? In a word, no. We tried it on a few of our particularly bad iPhone 4s -- the ones that consistently demonstrate the issue -- and achieved no meaningful results. We even went so far as to line the edge of one of our trimmed micro SIMs in electrical tape (pictured above) to ensure that no contact was being made, and we were still able to flatline the phone using the "death grip." Sorry folks -- we wanted this to work too, but it looks like people are just being hopefully optimistic. We'd say the real fix is going to have to come from Apple -- and given the growing discontent over this relatively severe issue, the sooner the better.

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