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post Jun 6 2010, 02:19 AM, updated 16y ago

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Greetings,

after strolling in this "PhD school", i realize many topics are not directly nor related to PhD. Only few topics really make sense. So may i know how many ppl here actually doing PhD? may i know in which university and your research interest? So that, we could actually discuss PhD topics and your research topics and hereby make this thread more "reliable" source for graduate students and for those interested to do PhD in future. smile.gif

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btw, if im not mistaken, Bro azriamy is a PhD holder in Education. am i right?
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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jun 6 2010, 03:19 AM)
Greetings,

after strolling in this "PhD school", i realize many topics are not directly nor related to PhD. Only few topics really make sense. So may i know how many ppl here actually doing PhD? may i know in which university and your research interest? So that, we could actually discuss PhD topics and your research topics and hereby make this thread more "reliable" source for graduate students and for those interested to do PhD in future. smile.gif

cheers
btw, if im not mistaken, Bro azriamy is a PhD holder in Education. am i right?
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You got the wrong assumption. Its just a catchy name for a subforum. It doesnt serve mainly for phd level discussion.

Same like asking the people in "cupid corner" section, how many of the members are cupids? and how many had given cupid-quality replies to the threads there?

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post Jun 6 2010, 03:40 PM

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azriamy is doing his phd in architecture..he's a lecturer in UTM...
How about TS start the ball rolling by letting us know your details 1st?
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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Jun 6 2010, 01:44 PM)
You got the wrong assumption. Its just a catchy name for a subforum. It doesnt serve mainly for phd level discussion.

Same like asking the people in "cupid corner" section, how many of the members are cupids? and how many had given cupid-quality replies to the threads there?
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owh, so its just a catchy name. Well my bad then.


@highwind85, architecture? cool, yeah now i do remember he mentions about archie stuff. Well for me, im just recently doing my PhD in Nottingham Malaysia, my focus is on Artificial Intelligence. Gonna use Artificial Neural Network (ANN), Support Vector Machine (SVM) or Kalman Filtering, basically i will use these methods to predict disaster before it happens. My focus more on landslides and concrete structures (deformations on concrete structures like what happened in MRR2). Basically will use those method to monitor and predict when the disaster will struck so we could warn the community.

Well that a brief about my topic. Hopefully if anyone have related topics, we could discuss about it.

and yes, i would like to know about other ppl research interest as well, what they doing, how they gonna do it and such. =)

btw does anyone have motivational movie suggestion? sometimes its really easy to get de-motivated when doing phd. haha


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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jun 6 2010, 04:49 PM)
owh, so its just a catchy name. Well my bad then.
@highwind85, architecture? cool, yeah now i do remember he mentions about archie stuff. Well for me, im just recently doing my PhD in Nottingham Malaysia, my focus is on Artificial Intelligence. Gonna use Artificial Neural Network (ANN), Support Vector Machine (SVM) or Kalman Filtering, basically i will use these methods to predict disaster before it happens. My focus more on landslides and concrete structures (deformations on concrete structures like what happened in MRR2). Basically will use those method to monitor and predict when the disaster will struck so we could warn the community.

Well that a brief about my topic. Hopefully if anyone have related topics, we could discuss about it.

and yes, i would like to know about other ppl research interest as well, what they doing, how they gonna do it and such. =)

btw does anyone have motivational movie suggestion? sometimes its really easy to get de-motivated when doing phd. haha
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Nice project..
I am a 1st year PhD student at Australian National University..My research area is protein engineering and crystallography..
My main methods for protein engineering are directed evolution which mimics the process of protein evolution and rational design..
These methods are used to improve enzyme properties and for my case predict bacterial antibiotic resistance uprising...
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post Jun 6 2010, 06:18 PM

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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jun 6 2010, 05:13 PM)
Nice project..
I am a 1st year PhD student at Australian National University..My research area is protein engineering and crystallography..
My main methods for protein engineering are directed evolution which mimics the process of protein evolution and rational design..
These methods are used to improve enzyme properties and for my case predict bacterial antibiotic resistance uprising...
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That is cool man, from few reading on net, it seems there is two way for protein engineering? rational design and directed evolution. So correct me if im wrong, u are currently working on directed evolution to mimics rational design way of working?

Im abit blur on these, hahaha im pretty bad with bio n chem. But your topic sounds cool, d purpose is to improve enzyme properties for antibiotic resistance right? So far how your PhD man? Im gonna admit, im kinda stuck at Kalman Filtering for a month here, doing matlab codes on my own, to work with multidimensional Kalman Filtering. Sigh sometimes, well not sometimes, most of d times, i feel kinda noob and stupid. lolz my frens sed, its normal in PhD life, u will always feel like an idiot when learn about some new stuff, and when no one around to teach, its easy to be misled if reading materials are not sufficient (which is in my case) haha.
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3rd year PhD student here. I'm from Streeling University doing research in Pyschohistory. Working on a statistical predictive analysis on collective human behavior based on specific events. I should be coming out with my probability set soon enough.
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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jun 6 2010, 06:18 PM)
That is cool man, from few reading on net, it seems there is two way for protein engineering? rational design and directed evolution. So correct me if im wrong, u are currently working on directed evolution to mimics rational design way of working?

Im abit blur on these, hahaha im pretty bad with bio n chem. But your topic sounds cool, d purpose is to improve enzyme properties for antibiotic resistance right? So far how your PhD man? Im gonna admit, im kinda stuck at Kalman Filtering for a month here, doing matlab codes on my own, to work with multidimensional Kalman Filtering. Sigh sometimes, well not sometimes, most of d times, i feel kinda noob and stupid. lolz my frens sed, its normal in PhD life, u will always feel like an idiot when learn about some new stuff, and when no one around to teach, its easy to be misled if reading materials are not sufficient (which is in my case) haha.
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haha...not quite right..directed evolution mimics the process of evolution where mutations occurs randomly whereas rational design is the mutation you do the the DNA with the desired mutation...central dogma of gene expression is DNA->RNA->protein..so the mutation would translate into the protein..

protein engineering generally is to improve enzyme properties...such as better thermostability, better solubility, or substrate preference...
For my case..i'm investigating the uprising of bacterial resistance towards antibiotic...the enzyme responsible for most of the resistance is beta-lactamses..
But they have different activity towards different antibiotics..so my job is to predict how would the enzyme evolve so that the data could be used in designing new antibiotic drug by chemistry people..



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Streeling University.
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QUOTE(VMSmith @ Jun 6 2010, 07:02 PM)
Streeling University.
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yeah..nothing came up except Striling University in Scotland...
http://www.google.com/search?ie=UTF-8&oe=U...ling+University
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Haha. Okay, I'm done pulling your leg here. Streeling University is a fictional institute in The Foundation Series from Isaac Asimov. So is psychohistory.

I am a 3rd year PhD student for real though. Monah University (Sunway branch), dealing with a semantic form of Simultaneous Localization and Mapping based on Tamura Textures.

It's boring s--t, though. I totally wish I really could do Psychohistory.


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QUOTE(VMSmith @ Jun 6 2010, 07:10 PM)
Haha. Okay, I'm done pulling your leg here. Streeling University is a fictional institute in The Foundation Series from Isaac Asimov. So is psychohistory.

I am a 3rd year PhD student for real though. Monah University (Sunway branch), dealing with a semantic form of Simultaneous Localization and Mapping based on Tamura Textures.

It's boring s--t, though. I totally wish I really could do Psychohistory.
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haha...you got me... rclxms.gif rclxms.gif
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Didn't turn out like how I planned, anyways. Sorry about that.

Anyway, for spikyz. You're not alone in feeling dumb and stupid. I felt that for the whole 3 years I've been here. And since my supervisor isn't one of the more "popular" ones around here, I've been doing my research all by myself as well. The rest of my PhD colleagues get to confer with each other once in a while. sad.gif
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Gee, thx for the introduction to the lonely world of PhD. Well, I'm just curious to what was/is your reason to pursuing your PhD? Is it for promotions, purely academic interest, or a geeky way to pickup chicks?
I do intend on pursuing my masters, mainly because I miss studying. Working for 5 years makes you wish you were back in university doing your thesis and project presentation. I don't know about PhD yet. Unless there is a significant chance of promotion for PhD holders, I probably would only conider PhD if I'm planning to be a uni lecturer someday.
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God, I totally wish doing a PhD would get me chicks. Maybe if I did my research in The Mystery Method, maybe.

With a Masters, you'd most likely improve your chances at employment, but doing a PhD pretty much means you'll be either in the academic or research line. You'd be overqualified for a "regular" job in the corporate sector, and it would have been a waste of time doing a doctorate anyways.

Doing my PhD cause I absolutely love lecturing. Hate research though, but that *might* change once I graduate and get to research on what I like, rather than just choosing the best out of a very limited pool.

Plus, I like waking up at whatever time I like. And the student life. smile.gif

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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jun 6 2010, 06:53 PM)
haha...not quite right..directed evolution mimics the process of evolution where mutations occurs randomly whereas rational design is the mutation you do the the DNA with the desired mutation...central dogma of gene expression is DNA->RNA->protein..so the mutation would translate into the protein..

protein engineering generally is to improve enzyme properties...such as better thermostability, better solubility, or substrate preference...
For my case..i'm investigating the uprising of bacterial resistance towards antibiotic...the enzyme responsible for most of the resistance is beta-lactamses..
But they have different activity towards different antibiotics..so my job is to predict how would the enzyme evolve so that the data could be used in designing new antibiotic drug by chemistry people..
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icon_question.gif Hahah im in abit blur state when u describing your stuff there, i quite understand abit here and there, but not the full thing. But it sounds awesome bro!


QUOTE(VMSmith @ Jun 6 2010, 07:10 PM)
Haha. Okay, I'm done pulling your leg here. Streeling University is a fictional institute in The Foundation Series from Isaac Asimov. So is psychohistory.

I am a 3rd year PhD student for real though. Monah University (Sunway branch), dealing with a semantic form of Simultaneous Localization and Mapping based on Tamura Textures.

It's boring s--t, though. I totally wish I really could do Psychohistory.
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Monah university? lolz another prank here? hehe brows.gif Monash Uni rite? i been there for a Chess tournament, few few years back

QUOTE(VMSmith @ Jun 6 2010, 07:21 PM)
Didn't turn out like how I planned, anyways. Sorry about that.

Anyway, for spikyz. You're not alone in feeling dumb and stupid. I felt that for the whole 3 years I've been here. And since my supervisor isn't one of the more "popular" ones around here, I've been doing my research all by myself as well. The rest of my PhD colleagues get to confer with each other once in a while. sad.gif
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hahah, i understand that "popular" situation...my prof could consider one of the popular one, but he has around 13 PhD students under him (full time and part time) So most of the time i felt like left out. Hahaha plus it seems he attracted more to girls project tongue.gif jk jk


QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Jun 6 2010, 07:31 PM)
Gee, thx for the introduction to the lonely world of PhD. Well, I'm just curious to what was/is your reason to pursuing your PhD? Is it for promotions, purely academic interest, or a geeky way to pickup chicks?
I do intend on pursuing my masters, mainly because I miss studying. Working for 5 years makes you wish you were back in university doing your thesis and project presentation. I don't know about PhD yet. Unless there is a significant chance of promotion for PhD holders, I probably would only conider PhD if I'm planning to be a uni lecturer someday.
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Lonely world of PhD..agree on this.. mainly bcoz u do your stuff which not many ppl in the world doing it.. and when u talk to ppl, if get into d details it seems nobody could understand u.. haha an advantage/disadvantage depends on which view u look at it. Well for promotions? i would say erk...to what level u will be promote? haha Dr->Prof? for chicks? well i dont think bimbo girls will fall into u, however u will attract the sophisticated and smart girls most of d time tongue.gif

my reason is, i done internship in my first , second and final year in uni, 3 summer breaks and with 3 different company...what i can say.. im not really into working world..its easily get pretty boring for me..plus i dont like d 9am-5pm time line, haha for PhD/Lecturer or research, u can come whenever u want as long u get ur work done! haha most of d times, ideas come out when im in the field playing football or when i hanging out with my frens, stressing out infront of the table wont do for me. hehe

Plus i like uni life style, however its pretty sad..coz u see every year your frens graduating and u still at uni with ppl much younger than u..can call him adik already. (im not that old, 23 only =P ). However good side is, u can see many fresh and hot chicks every year, horray! hehe

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QUOTE(funnyTONE @ Jun 6 2010, 07:31 PM)
Gee, thx for the introduction to the lonely world of PhD. Well, I'm just curious to what was/is your reason to pursuing your PhD? Is it for promotions, purely academic interest, or a geeky way to pickup chicks?
I do intend on pursuing my masters, mainly because I miss studying. Working for 5 years makes you wish you were back in university doing your thesis and project presentation. I don't know about PhD yet. Unless there is a significant chance of promotion for PhD holders, I probably would only conider PhD if I'm planning to be a uni lecturer someday.
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Depending on what field you wanna go in...PhD in economics would render you overqualified for most of the jobs available whereas PhD in chemistry or biology is essential so that you could work in a certain position..
Pick-up chicks? Other PhD chicks maybe...but normal chicks in society...rarely..lol

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Sorry for the typo. Yeap, Monash Uni.
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QUOTE(VMSmith @ Jun 6 2010, 07:10 PM)
Haha. Okay, I'm done pulling your leg here. Streeling University is a fictional institute in The Foundation Series from Isaac Asimov. So is psychohistory.

I am a 3rd year PhD student for real though. Monah University (Sunway branch), dealing with a semantic form of Simultaneous Localization and Mapping based on Tamura Textures.

It's boring s--t, though. I totally wish I really could do Psychohistory.
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VMSmith may i know much about your field of study?

QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jun 6 2010, 08:59 PM)
Depending on what field you wanna go in...PhD in economics would render you overqualified for most of the jobs available whereas PhD in chemistry or biology is essential so that you could work in a certain position..
Pick-up chicks? Other PhD chicks maybe...but normal chicks in society...rarely..lol
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Depends lolz, overqualified staff sometimes is super cool =) btw i think PhD is cool, coz u can build your own consultant company, where u can be d boss and do what u want, what u like in stuff u really good at =)
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Autonomous mobile robots. Dealing only with the software side though. I'm coding with MATLAB as well.
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Mobile robots, cool. For what type of purposes? and is there any specific algorithm used?
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Localization and mapping, through Content-Based Image Retrieval techniques.
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QUOTE(VMSmith @ Jun 8 2010, 01:38 AM)
Localization and mapping, through Content-Based Image Retrieval techniques.
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meaning by using vision of the robot? using camera eh? my fren doing about the same thing. His project name is WALL-E (true story). haha
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QUOTE(VMSmith @ Jun 8 2010, 01:38 AM)
Localization and mapping, through Content-Based Image Retrieval techniques.
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any movement/pathfinding algorithms?
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in a nutshell, my phd is about creating a constructive learning environment in the architectural design studio by augmenting it with an asynchronous online community forum. this would be under architecture education and virtual environment.

does anyone actually understood what i just said? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 9 2010, 04:54 PM)
in a nutshell, my phd is about creating a constructive learning environment in the architectural design studio by augmenting it with an asynchronous online community forum. this would be under architecture education and virtual environment.

does anyone actually understood what i just said? biggrin.gif
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In short, promote learning in a study by having a forum for ppl to share.
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QUOTE(lin00b @ Jun 9 2010, 02:50 PM)
any movement/pathfinding algorithms?
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Not at this stage. My research is meant to classify locations based on semantic information of images, and just solely images. All the work is done by camera.

The reasoning behind this is so that it can be ported from mobile robots to humans, without having to code for the specific platform that drives the camera.
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 9 2010, 04:54 PM)
in a nutshell, my phd is about creating a constructive learning environment in the architectural design studio by augmenting it with an asynchronous online community forum. this would be under architecture education and virtual environment.

does anyone actually understood what i just said? biggrin.gif
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LYN??? tongue.gif
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Cool! Bunch of people doing research studies. Currently, am pursuing my master studies by research. More on structure and material topic. With hope that I be able to produce the governing model for the buckling of triaxial weave fabric composites which consider various components and effects including the contribution of thermal load from the total potential energy method.

Am pretty much stuck with my non linear formulation right now. To date, its has been 34 days am stuck with the problem. cool2.gif

My morale are pretty much struck down right now. mad.gif icon_question.gif
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QUOTE(azarimy @ Jun 9 2010, 04:54 PM)
in a nutshell, my phd is about creating a constructive learning environment in the architectural design studio by augmenting it with an asynchronous online community forum. this would be under architecture education and virtual environment.

does anyone actually understood what i just said? biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(besoul_58 @ Jun 9 2010, 10:36 PM)
Cool! Bunch of people doing research studies. Currently, am pursuing my master studies by research. More on structure and material topic. With hope that I be able to produce the governing model for the buckling of triaxial weave fabric composites which consider various components and effects including the contribution of thermal load from the total potential energy method.

Am pretty much stuck with my non linear formulation right now. To date, its has been 34 days am stuck with the problem.  cool2.gif

My morale are pretty much struck down right now. mad.gif  icon_question.gif
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Dont worry dude, im stuck at my codes as well, a month or so, and d best part, last meeting my prof ask me to do something which i have done before and like nullify my current work. hahahha

btw my advise, i just finish dl "homeless to harvard", it will help with ur morale rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(ThanatosSwiftfire @ Jun 9 2010, 09:03 AM)
In short, promote learning in a study by having a forum for ppl to share.
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promote a different type of learning than the existing one, yeah. one biggest difference that i'm introducing is the absence of teachers/tutors in the studio.

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LYN??? tongue.gif
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almost.

www.tanggam.com wink.gif
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am not phd student yet, but planning to. very soon perhaps.

i completed my 2 and half year of MSc from UPM.
1.5 years for completing research while anothe 1 year for
thesis writing, viva, graduating procedure, senate etc etc

i'm so into image processing+mobile robot.

done some feature extraction methods and experimented with various classification, includes ANN, PCA LDA, hierarchical clustering, and SVM.

well Mr CVSmith, we are in the same field. and you have a very good research. =)
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QUOTE(exsaga @ Jun 11 2010, 01:25 AM)
i'm so into image processing+mobile robot.

done some feature extraction methods and experimented with various classification, includes ANN, PCA LDA, hierarchical clustering,  and SVM.

well Mr CVSmith, we are in the same field. and you have a very good research. =)
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Thanks. Hopefully, it'll be DR. VMSmith soon.

Not to burst your bubble though, but I pretty much lost interest in doing robotics. Once my thesis is done and I've racked up some R&R, I plan to do research in other fields. Hopefully Game Design or Game Theory. (Yes, I know those two are VERY different from each other. smile.gif
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like i said before, PhD is ticket. right? smile.gif
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QUOTE(exsaga @ Jun 11 2010, 01:25 AM)
am not phd student yet, but planning to. very soon perhaps.

i completed my 2 and half year of MSc from UPM.
1.5 years for completing research while anothe 1 year for
thesis writing, viva, graduating procedure, senate etc etc

i'm so into image processing+mobile robot.

done some feature extraction methods and experimented with various classification, includes ANN, PCA LDA, hierarchical clustering,  and SVM.

well Mr CVSmith, we are in the same field. and you have a very good research. =)
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@exsaga, i will be using Support Vector Machine as well =)


QUOTE(Hidan @ Jun 11 2010, 05:25 AM)
And you didn't even create a thread. So much for a REAL PHD. Guess PhD is good at talk shit.
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Bro hidan? why are u butthurt? dont u see, ppl start discussing about their phd stuff here? and for example exsaga , VMSmith and me have something in common in algorithm? which soon we will be discussing and this is PhD topic nway.

p/s: i feel sorry for your kind of mindset bro hidan =)
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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jun 10 2010, 01:00 AM)
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Dont worry dude, im stuck at my codes as well, a month or so, and d best part, last meeting my prof ask me to do something which i have done before and like nullify my current work. hahahha

btw my advise, i just finish dl "homeless to harvard", it will help with ur morale  rclxms.gif
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Ho3...I did watch autobiography movie if my morale are down, just for inspiration. Preferably, 'beautiful mind' as one of my choice!! nod.gif


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Phd is for people who are interested in academic line or in research industry. However, the quality of Phd people in Malaysia can be disputed, although I admit I am too stupid for a phd

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QUOTE(besoul_58 @ Jun 11 2010, 06:43 PM)
Ho3...I did watch autobiography movie if my morale are down, just for inspiration. Preferably, 'beautiful mind' as one of my choice!!  nod.gif
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Or you could try watching "Numb3rs" as well. Though Charlie Epps is quite hard to live up to compared to real people. smile.gif

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Phd is for people who are interested in academic line or in research industry. However, the quality of Phd people in Malaysia can be disputed, although I admit I am too stupid for a phd
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@spikyz, are u using SVM for classification as well?
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QUOTE(besoul_58 @ Jun 11 2010, 06:43 PM)
Ho3...I did watch autobiography movie if my morale are down, just for inspiration. Preferably, 'beautiful mind' as one of my choice!!  nod.gif
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QUOTE(exsaga @ Jun 12 2010, 02:58 AM)
@spikyz, are u using SVM for classification as well?
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yup. Kernel, svm lines and such. However currently im using kalman filter. Perhaps by next month or two i will use svm. wink.gif
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QUOTE(VMSmith @ Jun 6 2010, 07:02 PM)
Streeling University.
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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jun 7 2010, 04:36 PM)
VMSmith may i know much about your field of study?
Depends lolz, overqualified staff sometimes is super cool =) btw i think PhD is cool, coz u can build your own consultant company, where u can be d boss and do what u want, what u like in stuff u really good at =)
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I don't agree. You would need other skills as well eg: business/ management skills then you can survive. after all it is a business. So even if you hold a phd degree, its also good to have other skills.
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Not to mention that you don't even need a Masters to start a consulting company. My ex-boss graduated with a regular Comp. Sci. degree.
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QUOTE(blacktortoise @ Jul 1 2010, 09:57 AM)
I don't agree. You would need other skills as well eg: business/ management skills then you can survive. after all it is a business. So even if you hold a phd degree, its also good to have other skills.
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Hopefully a partnership with someone who good at business? haha, yup im agree we need to have other skills. But what im trying to say, many of prof i know, have a consultancy firm, either their own or a partnership with a businessman. So that is the answer for d most common question ppl ask to a phd holder "do u want to become a lecturer?", actually there is alot of option other than being a lecturer. =)



btw @zstan, i feel stupid everyday, haha reading new topic or new journals, sometimes make me feel very noobbb..
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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jun 6 2010, 04:49 PM)
owh, so its just a catchy name. Well my bad then.
@highwind85, architecture? cool, yeah now i do remember he mentions about archie stuff. Well for me, im just recently doing my PhD in Nottingham Malaysia, my focus is on Artificial Intelligence. Gonna use Artificial Neural Network (ANN), Support Vector Machine (SVM) or Kalman Filtering, basically i will use these methods to predict disaster before it happens. My focus more on landslides and concrete structures (deformations on concrete structures like what happened in MRR2). Basically will use those method to monitor and predict when the disaster will struck so we could warn the community.

Well that a brief about my topic. Hopefully if anyone have related topics, we could discuss about it.

and yes, i would like to know about other ppl research interest as well, what they doing, how they gonna do it and such. =)

btw does anyone have motivational movie suggestion? sometimes its really easy to get de-motivated when doing phd. haha
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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jul 6 2010, 12:28 PM)
Hopefully a partnership with someone who good at business? haha, yup im agree we need to have other skills. But what im trying to say, many of prof i know, have a consultancy firm, either their own or a partnership with a businessman. So that is the answer for d most common question ppl ask to a phd holder "do u want to become a lecturer?", actually there is alot of option other than being a lecturer. =)
btw @zstan, i feel stupid everyday, haha reading new topic or new journals, sometimes make me feel very noobbb..
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gosh, i know how you feel. when I first started labwork, I feel like going crazy for the first four month, I can even do the normal routine protocol right...most of the time is because of simple silly reason. after one puzzle down, another one puzzle come to break you motivation down. It's not that bad. I love the working hours. postgrad (i'm doing MSc tho) is nice, feels liike being payed for studying.
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all you guys researched are fully funded by the uni..............right?
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Mine funded by government grant I believe. yeah, it's government grant. But my living expenses and school fees funded by uni itself. (i'm count? because i only MSc...lol)
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Hey guys, starting my PhD soon in English Literature. Going to look at Erikson, Piaget and Fowler. Maybe Kohlberg too. Probably revisit my MA on George Orwell or find a new text.
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zstan: yeap. Monash Uni. pretty much funded all of my research. Of course, 99% of the costs go to registering for conferences, booking hotel rooms for conferences, and flight tickets for conferences...

Apparently, it might not be as easy over in Monash Clayton, one of my PhD friends over there has actually had to fund his own conference fees. Twice!

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I am considering study phd, too.
I had decided to get my master in Japan.

Now, I am AI student in UM, last semester.

Doing my thesis on Stereo Vision on Robot Navigation. Mine is a 3-person project. My part is on mapping. Now very headache. rclxub.gif
Trying to do map merging. My current approach is to use distance between object to merge the map. But, recently found too much unreliability... sad.gif
Now, I trying to use image registration to do the map merging...

I have a question here:
Is it ok if my master thesis is the enhancement of the method during undergrad thesis?

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That's okay Dark Lord, if mapping was easy, it would have been solved decades ago. Just keep at it.

And yes, I do believe that if the enhancement is substantial enough, it will be enough for a Masters thesis.
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QUOTE(Dark Lord @ Jul 8 2010, 01:50 PM)
I am considering study phd, too.
I had decided to get my master in Japan.

Now, I am AI student in UM, last semester.

Doing my thesis on Stereo Vision on Robot Navigation. Mine is a 3-person project. My part is on mapping. Now very headache.  rclxub.gif
Trying to do map merging. My current approach is to use distance between object to merge the map. But, recently found too much unreliability...  sad.gif
Now, I trying to use image registration to do the map merging...

I have a question here:
Is it ok if my master thesis is the enhancement of the method during undergrad thesis?
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Should not be a problem, my master thesis is sort continuation of my undergrad thesis + continuation of previous MSc students + whole lot of new stuffs that makes me feels so small cos i dunno so much.
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Are you in Faculty of Science, School of CS?
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Well, im under Faculty of Engineering actually, under AI department. I cant remember d full name dat my prof used to describe the department, haha


QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 8 2010, 11:14 AM)
gosh, i know how you feel. when I first started labwork, I feel like going crazy for the first four month, I can even do the normal routine protocol right...most of the time is because of simple silly reason. after one puzzle down, another one puzzle come to break you motivation down. It's not that bad. I love the working hours. postgrad (i'm doing MSc tho) is nice, feels liike being payed for studying.
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Thats reasearch right? u tot u got something, then another challenge coming in, over n over. Sometimes it is fun , but most of d time its annoying and demotivating, haha but at the end of d day, i like "playing" this game. tongue.gif

QUOTE(zstan @ Jul 8 2010, 11:24 AM)
all you guys researched are fully funded by the uni..............right?
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Me, my funding is from NSF (MOSTI), well.. i kantoi biasiswa Agong last year, i think d interviewer really hates me. seriously, and she even know my prof, so during the interview she kinda badmouth my prof alil bit and tease here and there, aih screw them la.
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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jul 9 2010, 01:53 AM)
Thats reasearch right? u tot u got something, then another challenge coming in, over n over. Sometimes it is fun , but most of d time its annoying and demotivating, haha but at the end of d day, i like "playing" this game.  tongue.gif
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Yeap, I'm doing research for MSc, I still want to study, but hate going for classes. yeah...i like "playing" the game too. My supervisor once said "Face ur fear...the reward is sweet".
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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jul 9 2010, 01:53 AM)
Me, my funding is from NSF (MOSTI), well.. i kantoi biasiswa Agong last year, i think d interviewer really hates me. seriously, and she even know my prof, so during the interview she kinda badmouth my prof alil bit and tease here and there, aih screw them la.
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wow...biasiswa agong...that's a tough one...but the interview panel is not that professional though...have a friend that told me her experience during the interview..
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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jul 9 2010, 01:53 AM)
Well, im under Faculty of Engineering actually, under AI department. I cant remember d full name dat my prof used to describe the department, haha
Thats reasearch right? u tot u got something, then another challenge coming in, over n over. Sometimes it is fun , but most of d time its annoying and demotivating, haha but at the end of d day, i like "playing" this game.  tongue.gif
Me, my funding is from NSF (MOSTI), well.. i kantoi biasiswa Agong last year, i think d interviewer really hates me. seriously, and she even know my prof, so during the interview she kinda badmouth my prof alil bit and tease here and there, aih screw them la.
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Oh, cool, never knew there's AI Dept under Engineering. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 9 2010, 02:01 AM)
Yeap, I'm doing research for MSc, I still want to study, but hate going for classes. yeah...i like "playing" the game too. My supervisor once said "Face ur fear...the reward is sweet".
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Sweet and sour at the same time bro, haha nway how ur MSc summer project =)?

QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jul 9 2010, 08:01 AM)
wow...biasiswa agong...that's a tough one...but the interview panel is not that professional though...have a friend that told me her experience during the interview..
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Well, not sure about that thou. my panel last time is, one datin from SIRIM, very high ranking wan (this is d one dat keep attacking me), den got another 2 fella from which uni i cant remember.

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Oh, cool, never knew there's AI Dept under Engineering. biggrin.gif
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I tot its under CS as well, ahah but yeah my project, i can say AI is main part, but i do have alot of other main part belong to engineering as well =)
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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jul 10 2010, 01:32 AM)
Well, not sure about that thou. my panel last time is, one datin from SIRIM, very high ranking wan (this is d one dat keep attacking me), den got another 2 fella from which uni i cant remember.
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My friend's panel know her supervisor well (she's worked as RA while trying to secure funds to go overseas)...and the panel kept on telling her that her supervisor is very good and she should continue her PhD here and stuffs like the university really needs someone like her calibre...and thus denied her a scholarship to go overseas...
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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jul 10 2010, 07:26 AM)
My friend's panel know her supervisor well (she's worked as RA while trying to secure funds to go overseas)...and the panel kept on telling her that her supervisor is very good and she should continue her PhD here and stuffs like the university really needs someone like her calibre...and thus denied her a scholarship to go overseas...
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did your friend apply for other scholarships?
Sound like that panel is just giving a stupid reason to not giving out the scholarship for her only. yawn.gif

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QUOTE(Dark Lord @ Jul 10 2010, 06:18 PM)
did your friend apply for other scholarships?
Sound like that panel is just giving a stupid reason to not giving out the scholarship for her only. yawn.gif
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yup...luckily she persevered and is now in the same university as i am...she is here 1 year earlier than me...
that's why i say the panel she met isn't professional...
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wow.....so there are a few dr. here xD Just wanna ask a few question here
1)is there a limit time for you to complete your phd?
2)While doing ur phd,do you work or full time studying?
3)are you guys read a lots of books?except ur textbook.....
4)How old are you guys?bcoz normally i see my sch lecturer with Dr. also aunty uncle ad rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(crazylkm @ Jul 11 2010, 12:30 AM)
wow.....so there are a few dr. here xD Just wanna ask a few question here
1)is there a limit time for you to complete your phd?
2)While doing ur phd,do you work or full time studying?
3)are you guys read a lots of books?except ur textbook.....
4)How old are you guys?bcoz normally i see my sch lecturer with Dr. also aunty uncle ad rclxms.gif
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1) there is depending on the university and country...Malaysia and Aus is 5 years for full time...US is longer
2) depends on what field you're in...if you have to do your research in the lab, it's difficult to work other than lab demonstrator or tutor...
3) more on research articles i guess...text books are for fundamentals...these are long established knowledge...research articles have latest developments on the other hand..
4) i'm 25 this year...if things go smoothly, i should graduate in 3-4 years..(this could be affected by the PhD systems of different countries as well)
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Hm. It normally takes about 3 - 4 year for a full-time student in Monash to graduate.

I'll be 30 later this year. Our first PhD in IT just graduated. At the age of 25. Yikes!
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QUOTE(VMSmith @ Jul 11 2010, 05:04 AM)
Hm. It normally takes about 3 - 4 year for a full-time student in Monash to graduate.

I'll be 30 later this year. Our first PhD in IT just graduated. At the age of 25. Yikes!
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wow...25...that's really young...
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so many phd here? seems like u go to pasar malam simply talk to someone they will be a phd holder.. unsure.gif
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 11 2010, 04:44 PM)
so many phd here? seems like u go to pasar malam simply talk to someone they will be a phd holder.. unsure.gif
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not that much if you consider our number here versus the number of total lyn members....besides, all of us are doing something different...
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wow....and i wanna ask do guys work now?if didn't work,then need to wait until phd gratuate(30yrs old),go for work then only can give ur parents money lo?haha.....im noob
Does phd got fail or something?research articles is from other researcher and u guys take it for references?and i always heard about phd will do something named defend thesis,what is defend thesis?
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Yup 30 yrs old only work. So old only start earning money and before that parents need survive on their own. When 30 yrs old come out work oso wont get high pay because is consider non experrience worket just like those fresh grad 23 yrs old come out work.

Defend thesis is to get the phd degree where u need to present your research and panel will question your research.
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QUOTE(crazylkm @ Jul 11 2010, 05:25 PM)
wow....and i wanna ask do guys work now?if didn't work,then need to wait until phd gratuate(30yrs old),go for work then only can give ur parents money lo?haha.....im noob
Does phd got fail or something?research articles is from other researcher and u guys take it for references?and i always heard about phd will do something named defend thesis,what is defend thesis?
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It is possible to fail...if the panel decides that your research is up to standard, you'll get MPhil instead of PhD...
Haha..at least you depend on your own for the PhD studies...If you are good with financial management, you'll be able to save enough money to buy house or car.
I personally have a friend who studied his PhD in USM....He already bought his 1st property..

"PhD grads are considered fresh grads"
Yup..no question about that..but the salary you get definitely isn't 23 year old fresh grad salary...just that your salary will be lower compared to your peers who has more than 5 years of working experience..In malaysia fresh PhD grads earn around rm4k -rm5k, depending on field and position..
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I doubt u can buy a house from saving phd allowance. Maybe low cost flat that cost rm40k? A car maybe but im sure is not like those ppl already working.

I see the people i know once they start working maybe after 1 or 2 yrs start buying honda city and big big cars
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I doubt u can buy a house from saving phd allowance. Maybe low cost flat that cost rm40k? A car maybe but im sure is not like those ppl already working.

I see the people i know once they start working maybe after 1 or 2 yrs start buying honda city and big big cars
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He is my best friend...a condominium worth rm300k...you can do it if you manage well..
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then his parents must be rich or he got help in somewat.. no way someone who is not yet working can afford to buy that. Rubbish if u say he save up phd money as much as 300k.

As far as i know highest allowance can get is rm2500 from NSF. Even if u save up everything and dont use at all u can only manage to get 2500 X 12 X 3 = 90k

Or maybe he did his phd for 10 yrs laugh.gif
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 11 2010, 07:28 PM)
then his parents must be rich or he got help in somewat.. no way someone who is not yet working can afford to buy that. Rubbish if u say he save up phd money as much as 300k.

As far as i know highest allowance can get is rm2500 from NSF. Even if u save up everything and dont use at all u can only manage to get 2500 X 12 X 3 = 90k

Or maybe he did his phd for 10 yrs laugh.gif
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It is not impossible just because you don't know how..i know his family and his family is not the extremely rich type..and his parents has two younger children to support..
are you thinking you can only buy a house with only cash? even a rich person isn't going to pay the house in full with cash...he started his PhD last year..
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So MPhill is the "King" in academic world ad,right?haha.....is gonna mad if somebody get tat,probabbly should sacrifice most of the entertainment >.<
oh....so now i know why my cousin go for phd,bcoz i forgot that he told me he lazy go for work,then he just continue his education until now 29 without working b4 xD
Government will give allowance for phd candidates?everyone who pursuing their phd?or only some race blush.gif


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It is not impossible just because you don't know how..i know his family and his family is not the extremely rich type..and his parents has two younger children to support..
are you thinking you can only buy a house with only cash? even a rich person isn't going to pay the house in full with cash...he started his PhD last year..
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what is his research about?
Aren't like master,which got research and go for class and exam to choose.....phd only study with research method right?

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QUOTE(crazylkm @ Jul 11 2010, 07:51 PM)
So MPhill is the "King" in academic world ad,right?haha.....is gonna mad if somebody get tat,probabbly should sacrifice most of the entertainment >.<
oh....so now i know why my cousin go for phd,bcoz i forgot that he told me he lazy go for work,then he just continue his education until now 29 without working b4 xD
Government will give allowance for phd candidates?everyone who pursuing their phd?or only some race  blush.gif
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MPhil is the research degree for Masters...it's the inferior form of PhD....if a person gets that, all his hard work throughout the years would go to waste..

you have to apply for it...no one is going to give you money without effort...there are a few ways to do PhD:

1) self funded (only a fool would do that especially for PhD in overseas), still possible with local IPTA though..
2) Research grant funded - the PI pay you to do the research...but bear in mind that tuition fees are not included and the allowance is quite little..
3) fellowship and scholarship - this is the more common method of funding...almost all overseas PhD students are funded by scholarship..if not, your expenses could easily hit rm100k per year including tuition fee...


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QUOTE(crazylkm @ Jul 11 2010, 07:51 PM)
So MPhill is the "King" in academic world ad,right?haha.....is gonna mad if somebody get tat,probabbly should sacrifice most of the entertainment >.<
oh....so now i know why my cousin go for phd,bcoz i forgot that he told me he lazy go for work,then he just continue his education until now 29 without working b4 xD
Government will give allowance for phd candidates?everyone who pursuing their phd?or only some race  blush.gif


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what is his research about?
Aren't like master,which got research and go for class and exam to choose.....phd only study with research method right?
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he's doing medical research on breast cancer...depends on universities and systems, some masters do not have classes, some have..

PhD in the US has classes and exams..that's why their PhD takes longer time to complete...and depending on how you fair in the exam, you could do PhD if you score well and only masters if you didn't do so good...it's 2+1 years (Masters) and 2+3 years (PhD) system...

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wow...25...that's really young...
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Yeah. He's getting his PhD at an age when I got my Masters!

He's super-smart though. Got really, REALLY good results after finishing his degree with 1st class honors. Then joined the PhD programme straight after that.
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Yeah. He's getting his PhD at an age when I got my Masters!

He's super-smart though. Got really, REALLY good results after finishing his degree with 1st class honors. Then joined the PhD programme straight after that.
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Yeah...doing a PhD straight with 1st class does save you a few years...but to graduate at 25 is really impressive... notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jul 11 2010, 07:58 PM)
MPhil is the research degree for Masters...it's the inferior form of PhD....if a person gets that, all his hard work throughout the years would go to waste..

you have to apply for it...no one is going to give you money without effort...there are a few ways to do PhD:

1) self funded (only a fool would do that especially for PhD in overseas), still possible with local IPTA though..
2) Research grant funded - the PI pay you to do the research...but bear in mind that tuition fees are not included and the allowance is quite little..
3) fellowship and scholarship - this is the more common method of funding...almost all overseas PhD students are funded by scholarship..if not, your expenses could easily hit rm100k per year including tuition fee...
I really would like to meet someone who can fund their own PhD studies! Needless to say, everyone here on the PhD programme here in Monash is obviously on some form of scholarship. Our tuition fees is around RM90k over 3 years.

All this talk about getting MPhil after 3 years is giving me the jitters already, I probably should not be post here so often and get back to my research!
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Eh studying in Monash got scholarship?

Isnt Monash private uni and they are out on making money? If giving u scholarship it defeat the purpose or their instituion...to make money... wonder what they thinking
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QUOTE(VMSmith @ Jul 11 2010, 08:17 PM)
I really would like to meet someone who can fund their own PhD studies! Needless to say, everyone here on the PhD programme here in Monash is obviously on some form of scholarship. Our tuition fees is around RM90k over 3 years.

All this talk about getting MPhil after 3 years is giving me the jitters already, I probably should not be post here so often and get back to my research!
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Haha...there are people that fund their studies...in IPTA of course...tuition fees in UKM is rm2000+ per semester...other IPTAs are roughly the same...
But i agree with you...My fees are AU$28k per year and projected living cost is AU$22k per year...it would really be nuts to sponsor my own studies...

Haha...don't be too worry about the MPhil thingy..it's just what written on paper...so far i have never seen one...most of the time, if your project isn't getting much progress, the supervisory panel would have already advised you to change from PhD to MPhil...so don't worry to much... laugh.gif


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Eh studying in Monash got scholarship?

Isnt Monash private uni and they are out on making money? If giving u scholarship it defeat the purpose or their instituion...to make money... wonder what they thinking
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postgraduate programs aren't like undergraduate programs...it might be true that monash or any other IPTS milk their student dry..
but postgraduate programs especially research programs, they have research grants...some funds comes from MOSTI and other sources...and to make sure there are future fundings, the university needs people to work on projects...thus scholarships for research students..
this is the case for most of the universities around the work..getting a student to work on the project is far cheaper than hiring a postdoc to do it..

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i c.. so MOSTI and other agency also fund private unis.. I thought they only fund public cuz private already rich tongue.gif
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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jul 11 2010, 08:26 PM)
postgraduate programs aren't like undergraduate programs...it might be true that monash or any other IPTS milk their student dry..
but postgraduate programs especially research programs, they have research grants...some funds comes from MOSTI and other sources...and to make sure there are future fundings, the university needs people to work on projects...thus scholarships for research students..
this is the case for most of the universities around the work..getting a student to work on the project is far cheaper than hiring a postdoc to do it..
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What highwind said.

Also, PhD students form a very small fraction of the student population. Pretty much almost all of the money making is from the undergraduates, so you could say I'm only recovering what was spent on my earlier education there. haha
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Oooo....

Phd is small fraction? how about masters?

So how is the post grad lab like in Monash? How many students will usually be under the prof/lecturer?

How the life of postgrad in Monash? Like u guys have progress report or any other activities?

Share share.. hehe.. interested to know cuz i think private shud be better than public.. public lecturer all pigs only know how to minum kopi
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 11 2010, 08:40 PM)
Oooo....

Phd is small fraction? how about masters?

So how is the post grad lab like in Monash? How many students will usually be under the prof/lecturer?

How the life of postgrad in Monash? Like u guys have progress report or any other activities?

Share share.. hehe.. interested to know cuz i think private shud be better than public.. public lecturer all pigs only know how to minum kopi
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haha...lol-ed at the pig part..i agree that some of the lecturers are lazy...however public universities still has more funding than IPTS...especially the Big Four...
Not sure about other fields, but for engineering, physic, bio fields, public universities are better equipped...DNA sequencers, Mass spectrometer are not cheap...
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yup.. thats why wonder how different is private and public uni in postgrad studies
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 11 2010, 08:40 PM)
Oooo....

Phd is small fraction? how about masters?

So how is the post grad lab like in Monash? How many students will usually be under the prof/lecturer?

How the life of postgrad in Monash? Like u guys have progress report or any other activities?

Share share.. hehe.. interested to know cuz i think private shud be better than public.. public lecturer all pigs only know how to minum kopi
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Haha, of course small fraction la. A lot of people prefer to go out to work after 12 - 13 years of studying.

For Masters, I can only speak for the School of IT. There's actually less Masters students than in the PhD programme for reasons I won't reveal publicly.

Regarding postgrad life in Monash, I suppose its no different that postgrad life anywhere else. A lot boils down to who your supervisor is. Some of them have tons of students under them and no time. Some have only a couple of students. Some demand weekly progress reports, and some don't see you more than once a month.

Yes, I know the public's perception about private institutes being "better". But again, like highwind said, public institutes are definitely better funded. Monash's campus here is only 1 branch out of 10. Another one is in South Africa (the students there actually started and finished a week early cause of the World Cup, by the way!), and the rest is in Melbourne. With 8 out of 10 branches over there, they have more funds, and hence, better equipment. All of our LHC colliders and perpetual motion machines can only be found in Melbourne. Haha

Choice of supervisor is also another issue we have to contend with. Over here, about half of our lecturers still haven't obtained their doctorate, so they aren't allow to supervise PhD students, no matter how experienced they are.

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ah.. means to study phd in our monash will have less supervisor choice?? then supervisor ma burden wif students cuz not enuff...


then if dont have the equipments how do u guys cary on wif the research?
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 11 2010, 09:43 PM)
ah.. means to study phd in our monash will have less supervisor choice?? then supervisor ma burden wif students cuz not enuff...
then if dont have the equipments how do u guys cary on wif the research?
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That's where IPTAs have a chance get a source of income...DNA sequencers, Electron microscopes, mass specs all are services to public...they charge non-affiliated organizations more expensive...
as for monash, maybe they can use those in melbourne campus? especially those not available anywhere in malaysia..
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 11 2010, 09:43 PM)
ah.. means to study phd in our monash will have less supervisor choice?? then supervisor ma burden wif students cuz not enuff...
then if dont have the equipments how do u guys cary on wif the research?
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Again, I can only speak for the School of IT. When it comes to the more...popular schools like Business or Engineering, they have a much larger pool of qualified supervisors to choose from.

But yes, I was pretty much limited to a certain few topics to choose from, as compared to if I do my PhD in Melbourne. Their IT schools are more established.

Haha, just because I said public unis are better funded doesn't mean we have NO equipment. Besides, since I'm in the IT field, all we need is a decent computer, a good net connection and enough TV series to last for 3 years.

Regarding your question about the post grad labs, each school has its own post grad lab, there's no central lab. Our IT lab is mostly cubicles and computers. What little I've seen of the engineering lab gives me the impression that it's adequate to conduct research, but not wholly impressive.


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as for monash, maybe they can use those in melbourne campus? especially those not available anywhere in malaysia..
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Erm... I'm not certain about this one. There are *some* students that have different supervisors from different campus branches, but as far as I know, anyone doing research locally has to do it locally. I could be wrong though.

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QUOTE(VMSmith @ Jul 11 2010, 10:08 PM)
Erm... I'm not certain about this one. There are *some* students that have different supervisors from different campus branches, but as far as I know, anyone doing research locally has to do it locally. I could be wrong though.
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hmm..i also don't know...more advanced stuffs like particle accelerators...
the usual practise from IPTAs are to do attachment to labs in overseas with such equipment and knowledge...but have to source own funding to make it possible...
if it's just the results needed, they will send the samples and wait the results without going overseas..
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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jul 11 2010, 10:28 PM)
hmm..i also don't know...more advanced stuffs like particle accelerators...
the usual practise from IPTAs are to do attachment to labs in overseas with such equipment and knowledge...but have to source own funding to make it possible...
if it's just the results needed, they will send the samples and wait the results without going overseas..
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That sounds like a reasonable arragement.

The reason why I have doubts this happens for our Malaysian campus is how our scholarships work (please bear with me for a while. smile.gif.

Even though someone has secured a scholarship for the PhD. programme here, they cannot transfer over to any other campus and still maintain that scholarship. They will have to re-apply for it. So that makes me assume that the Monash education policy is for each campus to be as research-independent as possible, at least in terms of money and resources.

I'm sure this must be covered in some terms and conditions somewhere, just that I'm already neck-deep in enough trouble as it is. tongue.gif
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QUOTE(VMSmith @ Jul 11 2010, 09:36 PM)
For Masters, I can only speak for the School of IT. There's actually less Masters students than in the PhD programme for reasons I won't reveal publicly.
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Does this apply to Masters in overseas?
If you don't mind pm me the reason. I'm so curious about it... tongue.gif

And not many people will get phd and interview for work after that right?
Usually they will become lecturer or a researcher in certain Uni.
Some might be INVITED into company for their findings, too.

That what's I saw in my Uni. One of my lecturer quit his job here and get invited into company.
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QUOTE(Dark Lord @ Jul 11 2010, 10:47 PM)
Does this apply to Masters in overseas?
If you don't mind pm me the reason. I'm so curious about it...  tongue.gif

And not many people will get phd and interview for work after that right?
Usually they will become lecturer or a researcher in certain Uni.
Some might be INVITED into company for their findings, too.

That what's I saw in my Uni. One of my lecturer quit his job here and get invited into company.
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For "typical" corporate jobs, PhD grads are considered to be over-qualified. Though I've heard stories of people desperate enough to leave out their PhD qualification from their resume when looking for work, I've never met one personally.

Yea, usually they'll either go lecturing in academia, or do research for an external company. I know a couple of them who seem quite happy in British Telecommunications. I prefer to lecture, though.
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I also prefer to lecture but its not easy to get a job as a lecturer. Everyone thinks that u get a phd then automatically education institution will hire u as a lecturer. U still need to go for interview, apply and most important your skin colour which is a disadvantage for me
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Hmmmm,

as postgrad (still MSc) in IPTA, honestly, the perception that the lecturer/supervisor are pigs (lazy) not entirely true, four years spent in public, I only experience 2-3 lecturer that really pissed me off. They shouldn't teach, easy said. However majority of the academic staffs are respectable characters. I adore my supervisor, he's basically my role model.
Talking as biotech postgrad (VMSmith already explain on behalf IT), I'm doing research for master degree. Even tho public uni better funded, however, again, it really depends on the lab leader (normally here, it's the supervisor). I don't how my supervisor do it, he manage to ensure the lab well equipped. Still, we have areas to improve. Here in UNIMAS, choices for Master degree (research) quite a lot. We have from very upstream application (genetic engineering) to downstream (fermentation technology).


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In my view, lecturers in most Malaysian public Universities (at least in the field of Science) spent way too much time on administration stuffs (as ordered by the Uni) until they don't have time to really emphasized on their research zzz
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QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Jul 12 2010, 02:44 PM)
In my view, lecturers in most Malaysian public Universities (at least in the field of Science) spent way too much time on administration stuffs (as ordered by the Uni) until they don't have time to really emphasized on their research zzz
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i just heard a joke today,
PhD = pass habis darjah...
so guess almost all of us got PhD
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i just heard a joke today,
PhD = pass habis darjah...
so guess almost all of us got PhD
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LOL

anyway,

BS (Bachelor) =Bullshit
MSc (Master) = More shit
PhD = Piled higher and deeper
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LOL

anyway,

BS (Bachelor) =Bullshit
MSc (Master) = More shit
PhD = Piled higher and deeper
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LOL good 1 laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif
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QUOTE(PF T.J. @ Jul 12 2010, 10:50 PM)
LOL good 1  laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif
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yeah, good, sadly is not original. Kinda well established joke in the english speaking countries.

Anyone here familiar with the PhD comic?
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Yeap. Just started reading it on and off last year.

It helps to know when other PhD students go through the same crap that you do. smile.gif
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yup a big fan of the comic...
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phd comic? whats dat? sound geekish... probably not for me..
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 13 2010, 10:23 AM)
phd comic? whats dat? sound geekish... probably not for me..
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yeah, it's more to inside jokes for postgrad students. http://www.phdcomics.com/comics.php a lot of postgrad students can relate to the comic and it's kinda a therapy to know you're not suffering postgrad alone...lol

just remember another lil joke, PhD=permenant head damage
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sometime during blur or stuck at research things, i read comic from this:
http://xkcd.com/

mathematical and sarcasm, perfectly blend lol
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QUOTE(exsaga @ Jul 13 2010, 11:53 AM)
sometime during blur or stuck at research things, i read comic from this:
http://xkcd.com/

mathematical and sarcasm, perfectly blend lol
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Good one...another place to hang out while waiting for stuffs to run..

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QUOTE(exsaga @ Jul 13 2010, 11:53 AM)
sometime during blur or stuck at research things, i read comic from this:
http://xkcd.com/

mathematical and sarcasm, perfectly blend lol
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another place to waste my time...and I have progress report to submit this friday...lol
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QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 13 2010, 12:42 PM)
another place to waste my time...and I have progress report to submit this friday...lol
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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jul 13 2010, 12:55 PM)
nice agarose gel you have here...
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thanks, agarose pic back when I'm doing my undergraduate final year project, use the pic as banner for the blog i make to help undergraduate with lab practical...and finally use it as my avatar. reminiscing on how hard to make agarose gel when i first started
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I'm doing the negative correlation of the number of TVs in Malaysia and university school grades.
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I'm doing the negative correlation of the number of TVs in Malaysia and university school grades.
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so far how's the results? interested to know
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i dont watch tv... maybe only 1 hr for the hk drama last time.. most of the time spent playing computer tongue.gif
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so far how's the results? interested to know
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yeah...this is a project directly related to daily life...
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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jul 11 2010, 03:29 AM)
1) there is depending on the university and country...Malaysia and Aus is 5 years for full time...US is longer
2) depends on what field you're in...if you have to do your research in the lab, it's difficult to work other than lab demonstrator or tutor...
3) more on research articles i guess...text books are for fundamentals...these are long established knowledge...research articles have latest developments on the other hand..
4) i'm 25 this year...if things go smoothly, i should graduate in 3-4 years..(this could be affected by the PhD systems of different countries as well)
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Well, i think for my uni, u must finish ur phd in 4 years time for full time. 2-3 years is minimum, if im not mistaken. Still blur about the concept thou.
about study, yeah, read alot of journals, Google scholar quite helpful, i cant imagine how ppl before the birth of internet do their phd, must be quite hard to find books and journals. Need to use university library and inter-loan or something.
Im 24 this year, hopefully can get my phd in 2-3 years time =)


QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jul 11 2010, 05:57 PM)
It is possible to fail...if the panel decides that your research is up to standard, you'll get MPhil instead of PhD...
Haha..at least you depend on your own for the PhD studies...If you are good with financial management, you'll be able to save enough money to buy house or car.
I personally have a friend who studied his PhD in USM....He already bought his 1st property..

"PhD grads are considered fresh grads"
Yup..no question about that..but the salary you get definitely isn't 23 year old fresh grad salary...just that your salary will be lower compared to your peers who has more than 5 years of working experience..In malaysia fresh PhD grads earn around rm4k -rm5k, depending on field and position..
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I doubt u can buy a house from saving phd allowance. Maybe low cost flat that cost rm40k? A car maybe but im sure is not like those ppl already working.

I see the people i know once they start working maybe after 1 or 2 yrs start buying honda city and big big cars
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QUOTE(crazylkm @ Jul 11 2010, 07:51 PM)
So MPhill is the "King" in academic world ad,right?haha.....is gonna mad if somebody get tat,probabbly should sacrifice most of the entertainment >.<
oh....so now i know why my cousin go for phd,bcoz i forgot that he told me he lazy go for work,then he just continue his education until now 29 without working b4 xD
Government will give allowance for phd candidates?everyone who pursuing their phd?or only some race  blush.gif


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what is his research about?
Aren't like master,which got research and go for class and exam to choose.....phd only study with research method right?
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I think if you manage money properly, u can buy a property, lets say u are NSF scholar with 2.3k monthly allowance, buying a small apartment around 100k, i think will cost u around RM700 per month? so u still have 1.6k for cars and food. Well, for me..im looking for one property as well, so lurking around property talk in lowyat.net to learn more. I think u can buy a house and a car with allowance, but perhaps no gf? lolz no money to pay for another half of u =P

yup, my senior in nottingham, just finish his phd and become a lecturer here, he mentioned gaji is around 5-6k. quite good i think.


QUOTE(VMSmith @ Jul 11 2010, 08:08 PM)
Yeah. He's getting his PhD at an age when I got my Masters!

He's super-smart though. Got really, REALLY good results after finishing his degree with 1st class honors. Then joined the PhD programme straight after that.
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If u guys have a kids in the future, enroll them in o-levels and a-levels after that. skip spm. haha, one of my fren, much younger than me, i think he is around 22 now? doing PhD at Cambridge.. damn jealous man. haha

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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jul 13 2010, 06:12 PM)
Sorry, quite bz lately, only now realize so many topics discussed here.
Well, i think for my uni, u must finish ur phd in 4 years time for full time. 2-3 years is minimum, if im not mistaken. Still blur about the concept thou.
about study, yeah, read alot of journals, Google scholar quite helpful, i cant imagine how ppl before the birth of internet do their phd, must be quite hard to find books and journals. Need to use university library and inter-loan or something.
Im 24 this year, hopefully can get my phd in 2-3 years time =)
I think if you manage money properly, u can buy a property, lets say u are NSF scholar with 2.3k monthly allowance, buying a small apartment around 100k, i think will cost u around RM700 per month? so u still have 1.6k for cars and food. Well, for me..im looking for one property as well, so lurking around property talk in lowyat.net to learn more. I think u can buy a house and a car with allowance, but perhaps no gf? lolz no money to pay for another half of u =P

yup, my senior in nottingham, just finish his phd and become a lecturer here, he mentioned gaji is around 5-6k. quite good i think.
If u guys have a kids in the future, enroll them in o-levels and a-levels after that. skip spm. haha, one of my fren, much younger than me, i think he is around 22 now? doing PhD at Cambridge.. damn jealous man. haha
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hmm...4 years..almost not possible for some bio-related fields...especially those who went out attachment to labs in overseas..3 years minimum and 5 years max in UKM and ANU as far as I know..Possible to extend 1 semester in ukm to finish writing and viva...

And yeah, if you do lab demo/tutor/teach tuition, you can own property...
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not biorelated only la.. most science field cant phd so young.. Arts field can la.. management master 1 yr can kau tim
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yeah, perhaps you are right, in bio-related, we can see even the degree is minimum 5 years right?

btw, i think, NSF (MOSTI) will sponsor phd students maximum 3 years only?

Tempoh Pembiayaan Biasiswa NSF
a. Ijazah Sarjana - maksimum 24 bulan
b. Ijazah Kedoktoran - maksimum 36 bulan

taken from here http://ehcd.mosti.gov.my/ehrd/nsf.php
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ya u r right.. mosti not so rich... so u expect to finish fast.. isnt that good smile.gif


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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 13 2010, 08:59 PM)
not biorelated only la.. most science field cant phd so young.. Arts field can la.. management master 1 yr can kau tim
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chemistry can...

QUOTE(spikyz @ Jul 13 2010, 09:59 PM)
yeah, perhaps you are right, in bio-related, we can see even the degree is minimum 5 years right?

btw, i think, NSF (MOSTI) will sponsor phd students maximum 3 years only?

Tempoh Pembiayaan Biasiswa NSF
a.  Ijazah Sarjana - maksimum 24 bulan
b.  Ijazah Kedoktoran - maksimum 36 bulan

taken from here http://ehcd.mosti.gov.my/ehrd/nsf.php
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Minimum is 3...but people barely finish lab work at 3 years....yeah...NSF only 3 years...can get a 6 month extension....after that you're on your own...
if do attachment at overseas lab, better suspend that semester/academic year and notify NSF about it...
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The thing about public uni in malaysia, they like to rush the student. Grad A.S.A.P, I feel rushed when i'm doing my undergrad study, one sem, I have too many classes to attend, sometimes i don't have time to eat until almost midnight.

About time, student should take their time (not too long of course). The thing with research study, the subject have mind of their own....results like chipsmore, sekejap ada, sekejap takda. I think two years is adequate for research (MSc) however, this does not include writing. IMO, 3 years for PhD is too short.
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for me i want finish as fast as possible and be a real adult.. not hiding behind the lab and earning puny money...

if can grad 1 yr best
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 13 2010, 10:42 PM)
for me i want finish as fast as possible and be a real adult.. not hiding behind the lab and earning puny money...

if can grad 1 yr best
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hehe, yeah, i you can finish it early, then it's a good thing. But don't be too absorbed with the study/ research. There's alot more to learn during postgrad study.
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QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 13 2010, 10:40 PM)
The thing about public uni in malaysia, they like to rush the student. Grad A.S.A.P, I feel rushed when i'm doing my undergrad study, one sem, I have too many classes to attend, sometimes i don't have time to eat until almost midnight.

About time, student should take their time (not too long of course). The thing with research study, the subject have mind of their own....results like chipsmore, sekejap ada, sekejap takda. I think two years is adequate for research (MSc) however, this does not include writing. IMO, 3 years for PhD is too short.
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not necessarily...depends on your supervisor...some students are so talented that the supervisor refuse to let the student go...came up with all sorts of excuse...thesis draft not yet read la, misplaced the thesis draft, ask the student to do extra work so that more papers could be published...of course, the supervisor is paying the student once the scholarship expires...some lecturers just want their students to grad ASAP..

agree with you on the time part, especially when you are a bio research student...usually PhD lab work takes 3-3.5 years...writing + viva another 0.5 years..
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Which of you are doing Masters and Phd overseas?
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Which of you are doing Masters and Phd overseas?
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I'm at ANU Australia for my PhD..
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not necessarily...depends on your supervisor...some students are so talented that the supervisor refuse to let the student go...came up with all sorts of excuse...thesis draft not yet read la, misplaced the thesis draft, ask the student to do extra work so that more papers could be published...of course, the supervisor is paying the student once the scholarship expires...some lecturers just want their students to grad ASAP..

agree with you on the time part, especially when you are a bio research student...usually PhD lab work takes 3-3.5 years...writing + viva another 0.5 years..
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Like my lab colleague, she supposed to finish her MSc research around this time. Somehow, my supervisor still want her to do more work, they working on upgrading her MSc to PhD.

One of my senior, he takes such a long time for MSc writing. He finish his research more than a year ago. But, I think my supervisor is okay with it.
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QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 13 2010, 11:20 PM)
Like my lab colleague, she supposed to finish her MSc research around this time. Somehow, my supervisor still want her to do more work, they working on upgrading her MSc to PhD.

One of my senior, he takes such a long time for MSc writing. He finish his research more than a year ago. But, I think my supervisor is okay with it.
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oh...it's good that your university have such upgrade option in place...UKM doesn't have this...if you wanna convert your masters program to a phd program, the conversion has to be done on the 3rd semester...and some requirements to fulfill as well...after that, there's no option for upgrading..
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Thats the downside eh? they should be flexible with these stuff. If the students meet the criteria and requirements, why not?
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Thats the downside eh? they should be flexible with these stuff. If the students meet the criteria and requirements, why not?
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Hmm..pros and cons i guess....UKM's MSc for Biosciences is a research degree with coursework components..
so the criterias to convert are:

1) get 3.67 and above for the coursework components (taken during 1st 2 sems)
2) complete 90% of research objectives within 1st 2 semesters
3) present progress of the MSc results and propose what to do next to make it a PhD in front of a panel and need their approval
4) support of supervisor (usually they will approve coz they want PhD students)

so basically all those have to be done before the 3rd semester of MSc finishes...if not, you could just graduate with a MSc which makes sense isn't it..
it's a more systematic upgrade path...the con is that it's not flexible..
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Hmm..pros and cons i guess....UKM's MSc for Biosciences is a research degree with coursework components..
so the criterias to convert are:

1) get 3.67 and above for the coursework components (taken during 1st 2 sems)
2) complete 90% of research objectives within 1st 2 semesters
3) present progress of the MSc results and propose what to do next to make it a PhD in front of a panel and need their approval
4) support of supervisor (usually they will approve coz they want PhD students)

so basically all those have to be done before the 3rd semester of MSc finishes...if not, you could just graduate with a MSc which makes sense isn't it..
it's a more systematic upgrade path...the con is that it's not flexible..
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Well, actually Unimas not that flexible. They have the same kind of rules that UKM have. But for biotech, research mode MSc only available. I think because of that, eligibility for conversion can be a bit subjective. My lab colleague a bit skeptic about the conversion. She said the process might take too long that she convo first before they approve it.
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Well, actually Unimas not that flexible. They have the same kind of rules that UKM have. But for biotech, research mode MSc only available. I think because of that, eligibility for conversion can be a bit subjective. My lab colleague a bit skeptic about the conversion. She said the process might take too long that she convo first before they approve it.
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A lot of my ex-colleagues and seniors refuse to upgrade even when they met the criterias to convert...they wanna do their PhD overseas once they got their MSc...and frankly, our MSc program is quite good...thanks to our lousy lab equipments and absence of postdocs in the lab, our MSc students learnt alot through trial and errors, have stronger fundamentals and etc, which makes our MSc students look good in CV when it comes to "Skilled/ techniques learnt" department..
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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jul 14 2010, 12:08 AM)
A lot of my ex-colleagues and seniors refuse to upgrade even when they met the criterias to convert...they wanna do their PhD overseas once they got their MSc...and frankly, our MSc program is quite good...thanks to our lousy lab equipments and absence of postdocs in the lab, our MSc students learnt alot through trial and errors, have stronger fundamentals and etc, which makes our MSc students look good in CV when it comes to "Skilled/ techniques learnt" department..
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Yeah, our lab didn't have postdocs too, so the new MSc will learn from the more senior MSc, usually only 1 years difference. Our lab not so lousy i can say, but I think most of us (in that lab) are child of the 80's when it comes molecular biology technique. I still use the old school ways to do stuff, that really helps with understanding the fundamental of the particular protocol. I still use 1st generation PCR machine. Furthermore, it's cheaper compared to depending on kits all the time. Try to teach the undergrads under my supervision/care that it's not all about the results, but acquiring the skills and techniques, apparently, they don't get it, they are too pampered.

If it were up to me, i also don't want to upgrade, because i like to do my PhD overseas, after all, i'm still not ready for PhD level of responsibilities.
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Yeah, our lab didn't have postdocs too, so the new MSc will learn from the more senior MSc, usually only 1 years difference. Our lab not so lousy i can say, but I think most of us (in that lab) are child of the 80's when it comes molecular biology technique. I still use the old school ways to do stuff, that really helps with understanding the fundamental of the particular protocol. I still use 1st generation PCR machine. Furthermore, it's cheaper compared to depending on kits all the time. Try to teach the undergrads under my supervision/care that it's not all about the results, but acquiring the skills and techniques, apparently, they don't get it, they are too pampered.

If it were up to me, i also don't want to upgrade, because i like to do my PhD overseas, after all, i'm still not ready for PhD level of responsibilities.
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haha...of course it's not that lousy..maybe i should say not very properly equipped? most of the labs except some do not have a separate office...students just use their computer on the lab bench...and since there is no pantry as well, students just drink and eat in the lab...

another example is nanodrop spectrophotometer...most of the labs are still using conventional spectrophotometer...which sometimes is not that accurate and needs more sample compared to nanodrop..
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haha...of course it's not that lousy..maybe i should say not very properly equipped? most of the labs except some do not have a separate office...students just use their computer on the lab bench...and since there is no pantry as well, students just drink and eat in the lab...

another example is nanodrop spectrophotometer...most of the labs are still using conventional spectrophotometer...which sometimes is not that accurate and needs more sample compared to nanodrop..
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Of course. Talking about conventional spectrophotometer, I rarely use it, most of the time i rely on agarose gel image and deduce from that. After two years doing lab works, I learn the accuracy and precision sometimes not really that important. I use my laptop on the bench all the time, because the postgrad room didn't have wireless connection. Never heard of nanodrop spectrophotometer before... biggrin.gif

*Google 'nanodrop spectrophotometer' and go "oh~~~~"*

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supervisor will prefer the students only get master and then finish only go for phd. that way they can get the students to do 2 projects instead of converting n they only get 1 project done. supervisors are cunning fox. dun think they so good... becareful la u all haih.. think they r jesus shakehead.gif
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 14 2010, 09:53 AM)
supervisor will prefer the students only get master and then finish only go for phd. that way they can get the students to do 2 projects instead of converting n they only get 1 project done. supervisors are cunning fox. dun think they so good... becareful la u all haih.. think they r jesus shakehead.gif
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hahaha...where you got that from? blink.gif
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not where but its just a common thing. DO u think your supervisor will upgrade your small master project for phd and lose the chance to get u do another phd project? You do masters and phd they get to publish 2 papers instead of 1 paper if u just convert to phd.

The only thing that matters to superviosrs are results and publshing papers. They dont give a shit about the students.
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 14 2010, 10:08 AM)
not where but its just a common thing. DO u think your supervisor will upgrade your small master project for phd and lose the chance to get u do another phd project? You do masters and phd they get to publish 2 papers instead of 1 paper if u just convert to phd.

The only thing that matters to superviosrs are results and publshing papers. They dont give a shit about the students.
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LOL...here master students need to publish at least two papers to graduate you see (not sure other uni). Conversion to PhD actually helps them (supervisor and students) in a way. It saves time and cost. The continuity helps the research too. If supervisor can get a PhD student in 5 years after undergrad study, compared to master (2.5years)+ phd (5years) then only get a phd graduate, surely the supervisor supports the conversion. The only problem is whether the administration approve it or not. Supervisors are human, I know some supervisor can be mean, but a lot of them also caring, they even help with getting accommodation in uni. They do give a shit about the students.
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I never know can do conversion like that... sweat.gif

After phd, are you all going to continue for postdoc?
According to my information, postdoc takes 2 years and counted as working experience, too. And they got salary?
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 14 2010, 10:08 AM)
not where but its just a common thing. DO u think your supervisor will upgrade your small master project for phd and lose the chance to get u do another phd project? You do masters and phd they get to publish 2 papers instead of 1 paper if u just convert to phd.

The only thing that matters to superviosrs are results and publshing papers. They dont give a shit about the students.
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yes..they will...lecturers want as much PhD students as possible...but of course not with the small masters project...
they will persuade students who fulfill the requirement to convert to convert their masters to phd...with additional work..
this is simply because PhD will have to publish more papers than masters students in order to grad (talking about the same field of course)
another point is supervising more PhD students will boost a lecturer's cv, have more publications to their name and finally their chances of promotion...


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LOL...here master students need to publish at least two papers to graduate you see (not sure other uni). Conversion to PhD actually helps them (supervisor and students) in a way. It saves time and cost. The continuity helps the research too. If supervisor can get a PhD student in 5 years after undergrad study, compared to master (2.5years)+ phd (5years) then only get a phd graduate, surely the supervisor supports the conversion. The only problem is whether the administration approve it or not. Supervisors are human, I know some supervisor can be mean, but a lot of them also caring, they even help with getting accommodation in uni. They do give a shit about the students.
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yeah..i agree with you....i stayed in my supervisor's house FOC for 1 week when I 1st arrived at australia..headache looking for accommodation here...
and the school is trying their best to support students...we have laptops and stationary provided...


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I never know can do conversion like that...  sweat.gif

After phd, are you all going to continue for postdoc?
According to my information, postdoc takes 2 years and counted as working experience, too. And they got salary?
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post-docs is an occupation..and the pay is decent...PhD students get paid $22.5K per annum (tax-free) and post-docs get paid around $60k per annum (pre-tax)...
length depending on the contract...some 1 year, some 2 years..some get extension after contract finishes...

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Post doc is minimum 6months right? i would like to do post doc as well, somewhere in UK perhaps. Since all my study years in Nottingham Malaysia only. =(

btw any of u going for MIT Accenture Lecture series this 24th July? Im going =)
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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jul 14 2010, 02:03 PM)
Post doc is minimum 6months right? i would like to do post doc as well, somewhere in UK perhaps. Since all my study years in Nottingham Malaysia only. =(

btw any of u going for MIT Accenture Lecture series this 24th July? Im going =)
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Post-doc is recommended for a research career...
however, the system in malaysia is a bit stupid...as post-docs are almost non-existent except some labs...
So if you join the academia (university) after you finished 1 or 2 post-docs positions, those who join the university earlier without post-docs are considered your senior, have more experience and have a higher chance to get promoted 1st...most lecturers join the university without post-doc experience...
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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jul 14 2010, 12:37 PM)
yeah..i agree with you....i stayed in my supervisor's house FOC for 1 week when I 1st arrived at australia..headache looking for accommodation here...
and the school is trying their best to support students...we have laptops and stationary provided...
Aww~ your supervisor so kind. One week in your supervisor's house, was it awkward?
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Aww~ your supervisor so kind. One week in your supervisor's house, was it awkward?
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Yes it was...><..although he kind enough to offer me a place to sleep, i still felt awkward...felt that i was restricted (maybe psychologically)...
but Canberra was having accommodation crisis at that time...the university even rented 2 motels nearby to accommodate students..but i was unlucky to missed that 1 out...
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Hahah, ok guys, so back to the main purpose of this thread, may u guys introduce yourself, what research u guys doing and all that? perhaps i can modify d first post, so we will have a list of research done by our fellow lyn wink.gif
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I am a 1st year PhD student at Australian National University..My research area is protein engineering and crystallography..
My main methods for protein engineering are directed evolution which mimics the process of protein evolution and rational design..
These methods are used to improve enzyme properties
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Quoting myself from the 1st page...
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Final year PhD student from Miskatonic University. My research area is in anthropology.

I'm currently conducting studies on prehistoric culture and and social dynamics.
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QUOTE(VMSmith @ Jul 14 2010, 11:47 PM)
Final year PhD student from Miskatonic University . My research area is in anthropology.

I'm currently conducting studies on prehistoric culture and and social dynamics.
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Yeah, you should hear about all these weird stories I keep hearing around campus. smile.gif
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Final year PhD student from Miskatonic University. My research area is in anthropology.

I'm currently conducting studies on prehistoric culture and and social dynamics.
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never hear of that university before. I think you're just trolling in this thread and not a real phd. Just my opinion smile.gif
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Jul 15 2010, 11:28 AM)
never hear of that university before. I think you're just trolling in this thread and not a real phd. Just my opinion smile.gif
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You have no idea how many universities in this world, even fiction one. If you actually google it, you'll find the uni http://www.miskatonic.net/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miskatonic_University

It's in Massachusetts. biggrin.gif LOLOLOL...anyway, nice one VMSmith thumbup.gif
that's the reason highwind85 amused by VMSmith post


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Final year PhD student from Miskatonic University. My research area is in anthropology.

I'm currently conducting studies on prehistoric culture and and social dynamics.
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Which one your supervisor? Professor Seneca Lapham or Professor Joshua N. Marsh?

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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Jul 15 2010, 11:28 AM)
never hear of that university before. I think you're just trolling in this thread and not a real phd. Just my opinion smile.gif
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you'll know the truth if you read the 1st two pages of this thread... laugh.gif


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Don't be so harsh. You have no idea how many universities in this world, even fiction one. If you actually google it, you'll find the uni http://www.miskatonic.net/ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miskatonic_University

It's in Massachusetts.  biggrin.gif LOLOLOL...anyway, nice one VMSmith thumbup.gif
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Which one your supervisor? Professor Seneca Lapham  or Professor Joshua N. Marsh?
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coz that's not the 1st time he does that...

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oh.. then he's just playing the fool. Didnt introduce properly. I thought...

Then which uni he from? UM or USM? UKM?
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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jul 15 2010, 11:59 AM)
you'll know the truth if you read the 1st two pages of this thread... laugh.gif


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coz that's not the 1st time he does that...
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oh.. then he's just playing the fool. Didnt introduce properly. I thought...

Then which uni he from? UM or USM? UKM?
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He did introduce himself properly, read first page.

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oh.. then he's just playing the fool. Didnt introduce properly. I thought...

Then which uni he from? UM or USM? UKM?
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if you read further on, he's from Monash Malaysia...
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oic.. Maybe he's lying? He keep saying different things how do u know he can be trusted hmm.gif
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Jul 15 2010, 12:07 PM)
oic.. Maybe he's lying? He keep saying different things how do u know he can be trusted hmm.gif
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Why so serious? So what if he's lying, at least he entertained us.
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Final year PhD student from Miskatonic University. My research area is in anthropology.

I'm currently conducting studies on prehistoric culture and and social dynamics.
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Im not a phd but is there any field that i can do that doesnt require me to use my brain?
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Im not a phd but is there any field that i can do that doesnt require me to use my brain?
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wrong place to ask i guess. Anything related to tertiary level education is mentally tiring.
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Im not a phd but is there any field that i can do that doesnt require me to use my brain?
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QUOTE(ComposMentis @ Jul 15 2010, 02:35 PM)
impossible , there ain't no such thing as a free lunch
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wrong place to ask i guess. Anything related to tertiary level education is mentally tiring.
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QUOTE(ComposMentis @ Jul 15 2010, 02:35 PM)
impossible , there ain't no such thing as a free lunch
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No what i mean is like... Example:

Engineering/phycis reated and chemistry need use brain know how to interpret the chart or whatever and solve this and that.

But in psycho whatever field u only need collect data and then do some simple analysis on the data like count how many ppl and then present which doesnt really require u to use brain. ANy phd course like this?
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Jul 15 2010, 02:46 PM)
No what i mean is like... Example:

But in psycho whatever field u only need collect data and then do some simple analysis on the data like count how many ppl and then present which doesnt really require u to use brain. ANy phd course like this?
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such a big misconception, there's no such thing as simple analysis for PhD study. Any analysis that done is thorough and backed by various references. Even undergraduate student for that kind of fields sort of turbo charge their brain, imagine the PhD students.

Statistical analysis even simple one kill my brain cells. (I'm a math bimbo XD)

One more thing, I find my friends doing counselling or human resource study having harder time than I am. Even worse with those IT students


What you mention is more like commercial company survey

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Which one your supervisor? Professor Seneca Lapham  or Professor Joshua N. Marsh?
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haha, I like your sense of humor.... biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 15 2010, 02:25 PM)
wrong place to ask i guess. Anything related to tertiary level education is mentally tiring.
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And anything related to PhD. education is even more so. One of my colleagues told me that after X years of research after grad school, they'll never be interested in it ever again.

I get the feeling that's an exaggeration, but I certainly feel like it!


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oic.. Maybe he's lying? He keep saying different things how do u know he can be trusted hmm.gif
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One more thing, I find my friends doing counselling or human resource study having harder time than I am. Even worse with those IT students
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As an IT grad student, I'm sad to say that I agree.

While PhD research/studies is not easy, I feel that some areas are harder than others. I've always wondered if my life would be easier if I did postgrad research on say, economics, rather than fool around with mapping algorithms.

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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Jul 15 2010, 02:46 PM)
No what i mean is like... Example:

Engineering/phycis reated and chemistry need use brain know how to interpret the chart or whatever and solve this and that.

But in psycho whatever field u only need collect data and then do some simple analysis on the data like count how many ppl and then present which doesnt really require u to use brain. ANy phd course like this?
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you have underestimated psychology , it is a branch of science , and science requires you to use brain
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Fifi85, there is a reason why not all the ppl in d world have PhD right? wink.gif

if it is that easy, everyone will have it.

all phd courses are quite hard =)
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ya i know hard because u need to waste 5 yrs to get that phd instead of making money out there thats why many people opt to get money early.

I understand not easy but just interested the ones that dont require to use brain. Like just hard working but no need think so much
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Jul 16 2010, 09:43 AM)
ya i know hard because u need to waste 5 yrs to get that phd instead of making money out there thats why many people opt to get money early.

I understand not easy but just interested the ones that dont require to use brain. Like just hard working but no need think so much
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PhD is not waste of time....anything you do to acquire knowledge is not waste of time. Postgrad might make money a lil later, but the delay is for a good cause. biggrin.gif

I don't think you get it, PhD requires both hard work and brain, MSc too. Ever wonder why they need good results for your previous studies as admission requirement?

Postgrad art students also cracking their heads, so does other field. Obviously, one might be easier than the other one, but all of it are not easy.

A faculty might have thousands of undergraduates, hundreds of MSc students, but less than 10 PhD students. That pretty much tells you how hard PhD is.

There's only one way to get PhD w/o using brain is by cheating....pay someone else to do all the work in your name, maybe two, use influence to get one.
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PhD is not waste of time....anything you do to acquire knowledge is not waste of time. Postgrad might make money a lil later, but the delay is for a good cause.  biggrin.gif

I don't think you get it, PhD requires both hard work and brain, MSc too. Ever wonder why they need good results for your previous studies as admission requirement?

Postgrad art students also cracking their heads, so does other field. Obviously, one might be easier than the other one, but all of it are not easy.

A faculty might have thousands of undergraduates, hundreds of MSc students, but less than 10 PhD students. That pretty much tells you how hard PhD is.

There's only one way to get PhD w/o using brain is by cheating....pay someone else to do all the work in your name, maybe two, use influence to get one.
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agreee, is not something like u study in ur ipta/ipts, pay d money and u in. They are tight requirement before u get in. If u dont use ur brain, i think u cant even pass your foundation, so pls stop saying u dont want to use brain but want to get phd, its downgrading and insulting.
Somehow i feel, fify85 is actually trolling in here..
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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jul 16 2010, 02:55 PM)
agreee, is not something like u study in ur ipta/ipts, pay d money and u in. They are tight requirement before u get in. If u dont use ur brain, i think u cant even pass your foundation, so pls stop saying u dont want to use brain but want to get phd, its downgrading and insulting.
Somehow i feel, fify85 is actually trolling in here..
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I feel like that also, but really, it is downgrading and insulting to think that way.
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No im not trolling. Just want to understand more because I dont c it so difficult to enter masters course and stuff. My coursemates who graduated just look for any supervisor and they are more than willing to accept since they are desperate for students. There are not so many phd compare to undergrads because students are not interested in doing post grad. If they want do you think its difficult for them to enter? They dont even need to sit for entrance exam or anything like entering bachelor course. Just look for a supervisor and u get to enter post grad course.
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Jul 16 2010, 03:04 PM)
No im not trolling. Just want to understand more because I dont c it so difficult to enter masters course and stuff. My coursemates who graduated just look for any supervisor and they are more than willing to accept since they are desperate for students. There are not so many phd compare to undergrads because students are not interested in doing post grad. If they want do you think its difficult for them to enter? They dont even need to sit for entrance exam or anything like entering bachelor course. Just look for a supervisor and u get to enter post grad course.
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=.= i feel insulted. Honestly, I feel like that. Too lazy to explain, anyone willing?
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No i didnt mean to insult anyone. SOrry if thats how you feel. I will stop on this topic notworthy.gif
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QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 16 2010, 03:08 PM)
=.= i feel insulted. Honestly, I feel like that. Too lazy to explain, anyone willing?
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i also no energy to explain...too lengthy and i lazy to type them out...
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No i didnt mean to insult anyone. SOrry if thats how you feel. I will stop on this topic notworthy.gif
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I know you're not insulting anyone, but the idea that postgrad study is easy, is insulting. that's why i feel insulted.
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I know you're not insulting anyone, but the idea that postgrad study is easy, is insulting. that's why i feel insulted.
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Some fields are easy, they're just expensive and boring and tedious, but difficult? there's nothing "difficult" in this world if you have good lecturers and good books, and you can do your own research. The only problem is the cost and the time.
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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jul 16 2010, 03:33 PM)
Some fields are easy, they're just expensive and boring and tedious, but difficult? there's nothing "difficult" in this world if you have good lecturers and good books, and you can do your own research. The only problem is the cost and the time.
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Yeah, some field is easy, but the idea of not using brain for postgrad study? it's ri'donkey'lous biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(wodenus @ Jul 16 2010, 03:33 PM)
Some fields are easy, they're just expensive and boring and tedious, but difficult? there's nothing "difficult" in this world if you have good lecturers and good books, and you can do your own research. The only problem is the cost and the time.
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the hard part for me is what kind of new research can i do... rclxub.gif

Most professors just don't simply accept u because of the research proposed...
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I know you're not insulting anyone, but the idea that postgrad study is easy, is insulting. that's why i feel insulted.
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No what i mean was post grad study is definitely difficult thats why im asking those that doesnt require brain so much. Yes just like the one woodenus said. The ones that only need tedious work.


QUOTE(wodenus @ Jul 16 2010, 03:33 PM)
Some fields are easy, they're just expensive and boring and tedious, but difficult? there's nothing "difficult" in this world if you have good lecturers and good books, and you can do your own research. The only problem is the cost and the time.
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Thats the kind of course in asking about smile.gif
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QUOTE(fifi85 @ Jul 16 2010, 04:58 PM)
No what i mean was post grad study is definitely difficult thats why im asking those that doesnt require brain so much. Yes just like the one woodenus said. The ones that only need tedious work.
Thats the kind of course in asking about smile.gif
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Well, if that's what you want, then it really depends on what you like and interested, and what you're capable of doing. As for me, I like biology and I have no talent for accountancy, economics, arts or math. so obviously, biotechnology is an 'easy' field for me compared to the other fields mentioned.

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hehe this is interesting, could i ask both of u, who suggest there is an easy phd, fify85 and another lowyat.net member, could u prove it is easy?

such as, could u take that "easy" course and graduate with a phd? pls. im dying to see how easy u guys can obtain it. =)

btw, no entrance requirement? maybe for ur field, but i obtained first class in my engineering degree to get into my phd. and for me, my phd is quite hard. Maybe yours dont need to do even degree to get a phd? maybe perhaps, coz u make it sounds so easy.


Added on July 17, 2010, 1:33 amand 1 more thing, there is alot of ppl like this, which we can found at mamak,

"wey stupid ronaldo, dunno how to play football ka? i sleep also can kick better lo"

d type of talk only, but when we give u d ball, u cant do anything with it. thats my opinion. we have 2 many NATO here, ppl which claim something else is easy, but he himself cannot do it.

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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jul 17 2010, 01:30 AM)
hehe this is interesting, could i ask both of u, who suggest there is an easy phd, fify85 and another lowyat.net member, could u prove it is easy?

such as, could u take that "easy" course and graduate with a phd? pls. im dying to see how easy u guys can obtain it.  =)

btw, no entrance requirement? maybe for ur field, but i obtained first class in my engineering degree to get into my phd. and for me, my phd is quite hard. Maybe yours dont need to do even degree to get a phd? maybe perhaps, coz u make it sounds so easy.
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ditto, I've been thinking of '"easy" course and graduate with a phd' since fify85 post the question, for days, I couldn't think of any. One course might be easier to one from another, but it's not that easy.

If you think PhD as a mean to get more money, then you think wrongly. It's a 'quest' for knowledge. I believe anyone who's doing PhD have deep appreciation of knowledge. If not, why would they "waste" five years?

I'm only a MSc student, but you project it to see what PhD like. For MSc admission, I obtained second upper class in my biotech degree (3.30 cgpa). pointers 3 above is not that easy to get. I also need to prepare a research proposal, and writing proposal again, is not easy. Recommendations from someone like supervisors during degree or mentor also required. There are no exams for entrance, but the requirements is high.


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and 1 more thing, there is alot of ppl like this, which we can found at mamak,

"wey stupid ronaldo, dunno how to play football ka? i sleep also can kick better lo"

d type of talk only, but when we give u d ball, u cant do anything with it. thats my opinion. we have 2 many NATO here, ppl which claim something else is easy, but he himself cannot do it.
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I couldn't say it any better thumbup.gif

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such as, could u take that "easy" course and graduate with a phd? pls. im dying to see how easy u guys can obtain it.  =)


I can prove it if you're willing to pay for it smile.gif


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I can prove it if you're willing to pay for it smile.gif
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don't tell me it's some degree mill from somewhere in the internet... sweat.gif
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don't tell me it's some degree mill from somewhere in the internet... sweat.gif
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I forgot about degree mill until you point it out...lol...with money anything can happen these days.

anyway,

random trivia (maybe you guys know already) : Brian May (Queen guitarist) takes 30 years to complete his PhD study.
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mind telling us what field/course you gonna take if someone willing to sponsor for it.
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I'll reveal it in the blog I'm going to start if he decides to sponsor LOL smile.gif
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Money isn't going to drop from the sky to fund your studies...most of us fought hard for our scholarship/sponsorship one way or the other...
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I'll reveal it in the blog I'm going to start if he decides to sponsor LOL smile.gif
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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jul 17 2010, 12:40 PM)
Money isn't going to drop from the sky to fund your studies...most of us fought hard for our scholarship/sponsorship one way or the other...
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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jul 17 2010, 12:40 PM)
Money isn't going to drop from the sky to fund your studies...most of us fought hard for our scholarship/sponsorship one way or the other...
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Okay but that's beside the point. His point was that it's not easy. He challenged anyone to prove (or disprove) his position that a PhD was not easy. I accepted it on the condition that he cover the expenses. This has nothing to do with money at all.

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QUOTE(dax8 @ Jul 17 2010, 07:27 PM)
Okay but that's beside the point. His point was that it's not easy. He challenged anyone to prove (or disprove) his position that a PhD was not easy. I accepted it on the condition that he cover the expenses. This has nothing to do with money at all.
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I think the whole idea is to suggest at least one PhD course that require minimal brain usage, more to tedious and boring work (Conditions: got good books, good lecturers and sufficient fund(s)). Any suggestion(s)? Anyone?
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Get me a second upper or first class result, show me an admission to renowned university for phd with a good research topic, i myself will help u from A-Z to get your fund. that is my promise.

if u think i would give money to you, for nothing, no proof, or just phd on the net. haha u must be 1 big dreamer boy. =)


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I can prove it if you're willing to pay for it smile.gif
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QUOTE(dax8 @ Jul 17 2010, 07:27 PM)
Okay but that's beside the point. His point was that it's not easy. He challenged anyone to prove (or disprove) his position that a PhD was not easy. I accepted it on the condition that he cover the expenses. This has nothing to do with money at all.
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Ya so u got first class honour, scond class upper and stuff like that. But you dont need such high pointers to enter masters course. I have coursemates who get less than 3 pointer and they are doing their masters. After they grad they can go for phd if they are willing. So the point is you dont need high pointers to further your studies.

Doing a phd doesnt mean u have to enter prestigious uni. Even local university phd degree is consider a phd degree. So its not as difficult to enter a postgrad course like u guys said.
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 18 2010, 05:07 PM)
Ya so u got first class honour, scond class upper and stuff like that. But you dont need such high pointers to enter masters course. I have coursemates who get less than 3 pointer and they are doing their masters. After they grad they can go for phd if they are willing. So the point is you dont need high pointers to further your studies.

Doing a phd doesnt mean u have to enter prestigious uni. Even local university phd degree is consider a phd degree. So its not as difficult to enter a postgrad course like u guys said.
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You may not need high pointers to do a masters or a phd later...but you need those pointers to convince supervisors to take you, you need those pointers to compete for a scholarship...
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 18 2010, 05:07 PM)
Ya so u got first class honour, scond class upper and stuff like that. But you dont need such high pointers to enter masters course. I have coursemates who get less than 3 pointer and they are doing their masters. After they grad they can go for phd if they are willing. So the point is you dont need high pointers to further your studies.

Doing a phd doesnt mean u have to enter prestigious uni. Even local university phd degree is consider a phd degree. So its not as difficult to enter a postgrad course like u guys said.
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Yeah, but they most unlikely got all those Zamalah (Bursary) or MOSTI sponsorship (in unimas this range from rm1.5k to 1.3 per month)....most likely got smaller sponsorship, KPT mini bajet or study loan. If you take coursework master, low pointer might not be an issue. For MSc by research in Unimas, if your pointer below 3, you have to work as RA for a year, then only you qualify to apply for MSc.

anyway, wondering how your friends fund their studies? self-fund, loan or sponsorship? They're doing coursework or research? What field they're taking?

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You may not need high pointers to do a masters or a phd later...but you need those pointers to convince supervisors to take you, you need those pointers to compete for a scholarship...
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Yeap, but I guess they're talking about MSc by coursework. If by research, f4tE friends surely lucky huh?!


BUT!!!!!

no one suggest one PhD course that require minimal brain usage, more to tedious and boring work (Conditions: got good books, good lecturers and sufficient fund(s)).
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QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 18 2010, 05:34 PM)
no one suggest one PhD course that require minimal brain usage, more to tedious and boring work (Conditions: got good books, good lecturers and sufficient fund(s)).
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Define minimal brain usage... sweat.gif

No matter how minimum on brain usage, it will still sufficient to make someone headache for PhD.
Even doing simple survey, you still need to know how to set the questions for the survey and how to analyze the survey.
In such level, I doubt you will still use the way you do your survey during undergraduate... wink.gif

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One more thing, I think it's quite obvious, most of postgrad students here doing their study (PhD and MSc) via research....so when we talk about how hard it is, it reflects mostly on research not coursework. I'm not downgrading coursework, it's not easy in its own way.

when we're talking about how hard it is, it's not just about getting yourself registered for it, but the whole process of learning. As some said, enrollment is not hard. But that is not all to it. It's about doing your study or research to get good meaningful results from your coursework or research, and writing good thesis (whoever say thesis writing is easy, you have no idea about thesis writing).

one more thing, if you talking about masters or phd is easy, and you're suggesting enrolling, getting suam2 kuku results and graduate with so-so achievement, you might as well just go to working sector straightaway. Don't waste five years not making money.

Again, stop saying about PhD or MSc easy, please have more appreciation to knowledge, it's not just about getting titles at the end of your name in business card.

Sorry for ranting, but I couldn't help it.

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and please, anyone, suggest at least one PhD course that require minimal brain usage, more to tedious and boring work (Conditions: got good books, good lecturers and sufficient fund(s)).

Can I add one more condition? That PhD must taken must have educational accreditation from genuine legal body i.e. government


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QUOTE(Dark Lord @ Jul 18 2010, 05:55 PM)
Define minimal brain usage...  sweat.gif

No matter how minimum on brain usage, it will still sufficient to make someone headache for PhD.
Even doing simple survey, you still need to know how to set the questions for the survey and how to analyze the survey.
In such level, I doubt you will still use the way you do your survey during undergraduate...  wink.gif
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maybe you can ask fifi85 to define "minimal brain usage for PhD".

Me doing master already headache like crazy at times rclxub.gif . sometime my body cannot handle it, when I'm back home I just pengsan on my bed w/o dinner or shower and only woke up the next day.

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QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 18 2010, 05:58 PM)
Me doing master already headache like crazy at times rclxub.gif . sometime my body cannot handle it, when I'm back home I just pengsan on my bed w/o dinner or shower and only woke up the next day.
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I now undergraduate doing my thesis also headache d... sad.gif

one minute ago found a new method to solve a problem, next minute 10 problems occur... rclxub.gif
The loop repeat every time a problem is solved... doh.gif
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QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 18 2010, 05:34 PM)

anyway, wondering how your friends fund their studies? self-fund, loan or sponsorship? They're doing coursework or research? What field they're taking?
Yeap, but I guess they're talking about MSc by coursework. If by research, f4tE friends surely lucky huh?!
BUT!!!!!

no one suggest one PhD course that require minimal brain usage, more to tedious and boring work (Conditions: got good books, good lecturers and sufficient fund(s)).
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They are doing they masters/phd in USM. Not everyone got below 3 pointer but some do. Its a new department and they take in like around 10 students and all of them depending on masters or phd got the same amount of allowance. Not sure how much but is good enough and should be comparable to those students who get first class or second uppers in other univesities inb malaysia. SO yeah u dont really need high pointers to get good amount of allowance and enter postgrad course smile.gif

Allowances are basically set throughout malaysia. EVen u get 4.0 flat pointers i doubt you will get extra allowance for that reason. And finding a supervisor to accept u is not difficult because there are so many universities around. Only difficult thing is maybe you wanna get a popular professor which many ppl are interested in.
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 18 2010, 06:31 PM)
They are doing they masters/phd in USM. Not everyone got below 3 pointer but some do. Its a new department and they take in like around 10 students and all of them depending on masters or phd got the same amount of allowance. Not sure how much but is good enough and should be comparable to those students who get first class or second uppers in other univesities inb malaysia. SO yeah u dont really need high pointers to get good amount of allowance and enter postgrad course smile.gif

Allowances are basically set throughout malaysia. EVen u get 4.0 flat pointers i doubt you will get extra allowance for that reason. And finding a supervisor to accept u is not difficult because there are so many universities around. Only difficult thing is maybe you wanna get a popular professor which many ppl are interested in.
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thanks for the answer biggrin.gif

Well, sponsorship or scholarship given is not based on pointers. Mine awarded during convocation. My other colleague have to go interview and the type of scholarship they got based on that. Some of my friends not qualified to zamalah or mosti resorted to KPT mini bajet or PTPTpu loan. Why you need high pointer from your previous study is to set good first impression to panel, it help you to convinced them that you deserve it

For newly open department, it's common for them to be generous to the students, just like unimas few years back...but now, they start being selective and all.

Good luck to all your friends smile.gif Especially for those 'pioneer' postgrad students.


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QUOTE(Dark Lord @ Jul 18 2010, 06:27 PM)
I now undergraduate doing my thesis also headache d... sad.gif

one minute ago found a new method to solve a problem, next minute 10 problems occur...  rclxub.gif
The loop repeat every time a problem is solved...  doh.gif
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LOL. what you do for your final year project?
All the best for your thesis ya smile.gif

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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 18 2010, 06:31 PM)
They are doing they masters/phd in USM. Not everyone got below 3 pointer but some do. Its a new department and they take in like around 10 students and all of them depending on masters or phd got the same amount of allowance. Not sure how much but is good enough and should be comparable to those students who get first class or second uppers in other univesities inb malaysia. SO yeah u dont really need high pointers to get good amount of allowance and enter postgrad course smile.gif

Allowances are basically set throughout malaysia. EVen u get 4.0 flat pointers i doubt you will get extra allowance for that reason. And finding a supervisor to accept u is not difficult because there are so many universities around. Only difficult thing is maybe you wanna get a popular professor which many ppl are interested in.
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Those are GRA-ships...not scholarships...you need to cover your own tuition fees or find scholarships elsewhere...with new department, they might even be generous enough to sponsor the tuition fees...but bear in mind that new departments do not come out everyday...sometimes you really need to use your pointers to convince lecturers and scholarships...

1st class will not get you extra allowance...that's for sure, but it gives you the edge over 2nd class students...and bear in mind that a lot of the applicants are 1st class holders...what do you have in exchange to give you the advantage if your pointer is less than 3?
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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jul 18 2010, 07:18 PM)
Those are GRA-ships...not scholarships...you need to cover your own tuition fees or find scholarships elsewhere...with new department, they might even be generous enough to sponsor the tuition fees...but bear in mind that new departments do not come out everyday...sometimes you really need to use your pointers to convince lecturers and scholarships...

1st class will not get you extra allowance...that's for sure, but it gives you the edge over 2nd class students...and bear in mind that a lot of the applicants are 1st class holders...what do you have in exchange to give you the advantage if your pointer is less than 3?
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QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 18 2010, 07:22 PM)
Sorry highwind85, GRA-ships is what ya? I feel like noob...lol
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GRA = Graduate Research Assistant..
Certain lecturers use their research grant to employ students...especially UKM, UM and USM...Students will be paid every month...the university sets the maximum rate but the lecturer sets the pay.. In UKM, students with BSc gets rm1600, students with MSc gets rm1800...But this doesn't include tuition fess..So students have to either sponsor themselves or find another sponsor like the mini budget thingy..

Every lecturers pay differently as how much grant they have is different...some may get as little as rm1000...usually lecturers will urge you to apply scholarship/fellowship as soon as possible as they don't want you to drain the grant dry...
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GRA = Graduate Research Assistant..
Certain lecturers use their research grant to employ students...especially UKM, UM and USM...Students will be paid every month...the university sets the maximum rate but the lecturer sets the pay.. In UKM, students with BSc gets rm1600, students with MSc gets rm1800...But this doesn't include tuition fess..So students have to either sponsor themselves or find another sponsor like the mini budget thingy..

Every lecturers pay differently as how much grant they have is different...some may get as little as rm1000...usually lecturers will urge you to apply scholarship/fellowship as soon as possible as they don't want you to drain the grant dry...
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I see, now I know the term for it. before I got my bursary scholarship and finalised my MSc registration, I was employed by my supervisor, paid RM960 per month (haven't convo yet for BSc that time)...lol, but I only work for 2 weeks because of my bursary contract (long story).

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Again and again people have misconceptions about 1st class pointers...
it is not meant to give you extra allowance or higher salary...but to show your character, hard work and 1st class opens up a few more opportunities that 2nd class or 3rd class pointers can't...the most obvious one is skipping masters and do PhD straight..
Others are scholarships opportunities (some scholarships have 1st class as requirement), bargaining chip with lecturers and better CV just to name a few...
A 1st class pointers also shows a person who strive to be high achiever...which is an attitude desired by a lot of lecturers...i'm not saying others are not striving to be high achievers, but 1st class is the easiest way to show you are one..
Sime Darby (R&D) is one company that is very keen to 1st class students...especially those who graduated from overseas...
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LOL. what you do for your final year project?
All the best for your thesis ya  smile.gif
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Stereo vision for robot navigation. Luckily its a 3 person project.
I'm suppose to do mapping. smile.gif

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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jul 18 2010, 07:58 PM)
Again and again people have misconceptions about 1st class pointers...
it is not meant to give you extra allowance or higher salary...but to show your character, hard work and 1st class opens up a few more opportunities that 2nd class or 3rd class pointers can't...the most obvious one is skipping masters and do PhD straight..
Others are scholarships opportunities (some scholarships have 1st class as requirement), bargaining chip with lecturers and better CV just to name a few...
A 1st class pointers also shows a person who strive to be high achiever...which is an attitude desired by a lot of lecturers...i'm not saying others are not striving to be high achievers, but 1st class is the easiest way to show you are one..
Sime Darby (R&D) is one company that is very keen to 1st class students...especially those who graduated from overseas...
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+1

I know I can get 1st class degree, but I'm just too lazy and last-minute-study function is permanently embedded in my brain, so I got 2nd upper class... you get the idea people, if you're honest, CGPA is a clear mirror to you character.

QUOTE(Dark Lord @ Jul 18 2010, 08:11 PM)
Stereo vision for robot navigation. Luckily its a 3 person project.
I'm suppose to do mapping.  smile.gif
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is it engineering or computer science/IT ?
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is it engineering or computer science/IT ?
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hi guys, i m new 2 dis topic. Would like to ask opinions fr u guys, i m a degree holder who got 1st class degree, n recently i got offer letter 2 pursue my phd study in molecular biology field in local uni. Shld i go for it as i noe is time consuming 2 do a phd study ??
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QUOTE(cvk @ Jul 18 2010, 09:38 PM)
hi guys, i m new 2 dis topic. Would like to ask opinions fr u guys, i m a degree holder who got 1st class degree, n recently i got offer letter 2 pursue my phd study in molecular biology field in local uni. Shld i go for it as i noe is time consuming 2 do a phd study ??
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Mind telling us your background, working experience, commitments, interest, etc? we cannot say anything just from these little details.. laugh.gif
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Mind telling us your background, working experience, commitments, interest, etc? we cannot say anything just from these little details.. laugh.gif
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i m a fresh graduate fr bio course. i hv no working experience at all. Actually i plan 2 work 1st but is reli hard 2 get bio related job in tis market. I get fade up and tired with job hunting.I hv no interest in doing research, i dont hv much exposure towards research field, n i dunno my research interest area. but i heard that being a phd has bright future especially for bio student. Can say tat i m an academic based ppl, i got cgpa 3.9/4 for my degree study, n my friends advise me not 2 waste d chance of straight away jump fr degree into phd .
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QUOTE(cvk @ Jul 18 2010, 10:56 PM)
i m a fresh graduate fr bio course. i hv no working experience at all. Actually i plan 2 work 1st but is reli hard 2 get bio related job in tis market. I get fade up  and tired with job hunting.I hv no interest in doing research, i dont hv much exposure towards  research field, n i dunno my research interest area. but i heard that being a phd has bright future especially for bio student. Can say tat i m an academic based ppl, i got cgpa 3.9/4 for my degree study, n my friends advise me not 2 waste d chance of straight away jump fr degree  into phd .
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You got to have heart for PhD if you really gonna take the plunge. It need a lot of commitment I say

It is a waste of opportunity if you turn the invitation down, but if you can't commit for it, it is also a waste.
Are you sure you don't have interest in research? What type of PhD they offer you.

Anyway, for your final year project, what kind of work you did. And, from all the courses you learn during, what you like or interested the most?
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QUOTE(cvk @ Jul 18 2010, 09:38 PM)
hi guys, i m new 2 dis topic. Would like to ask opinions fr u guys, i m a degree holder who got 1st class degree, n recently i got offer letter 2 pursue my phd study in molecular biology field in local uni. Shld i go for it as i noe is time consuming 2 do a phd study ??
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Hi cvk, well my case is similar with urs, yeah i jump from degree to phd..
Well the question to do or not to do, we can only advise u, but u d one that have d answer deep inside of u. There are many reasons to do or not to do phd, well i dont know ur reason, but i can help by listing mine.

1. I do not really into "working" culture, in at 9am and go back at 5pm (im d lazy type, usually i wake up very late tongue.gif) Plus i did my internship last time, and not really keen about work stuff...well its hard to say why, but let say..im not really into it.

2. Interest is d important factor, if u really interested in the topic u will be doing, then u will have joy and so much fun doing what u want. if u go to working life, doing waht company wants but not what u want, u might feel stressed out or de-motivated.

3. Money!!! For everyone money is important, no matter how hard we deny it. Well of coz if u choose working, with ur good result, i can say u will earn around 3-4k range of payment. Well with phd, u might earn an allowance around 2.5k (for Biasiswa agong), 2.3k (NSF/Mosti scholar) and around 2k for university pay. well it depends on ur situation, do u need 3-4k to live? to pay for ur car and house? For me, i receive around 2k for my phd..but it is sufficient for me.. yes my frens all driving bigger and better car than me, they might have bigger house and im still stay with my parents. Well..it is sufficient for me at the moment, im lucky to have house to stay and enuff money for my car and food. so yeah, since i dont need alot of money, i opt to pursue for phd first =) plus, phd holder can earn around 5-6k after they graduate. So yeah, i wouldn't mind living a simple and minimal life for now. because i can see brighter future ahead.


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btw thanks to highwind and sergeant pepper for backing the phd life, its hard to "talk" or negotiate with ppl that pulling PhD down by saying it is easy and stuff like that, and it is not pleasant to hear it from someone that not doing the research itself. (its like footballer listen to all the crap from the spectators and fan..haha there is a reason why the footballer is who he is and in the field playing and why the spectators/fan still remain at other side of the field wink.gif )
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QUOTE(cvk @ Jul 18 2010, 10:56 PM)
i m a fresh graduate fr bio course. i hv no working experience at all. Actually i plan 2 work 1st but is reli hard 2 get bio related job in tis market. I get fade up  and tired with job hunting.I hv no interest in doing research , i dont hv much exposure towards  research field, n i dunno my research interest area. but i heard that being a phd has bright future especially for bio student. Can say tat i m an academic based ppl, i got cgpa 3.9/4 for my degree study, n my friends advise me not 2 waste d chance of straight away jump fr degree  into phd .
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I see...What sort of job were you looking for after your graduation? having no interest in doing research is a big taboo for postgraduate students especially PhD...
The usual time for a PhD student to finish his studies takes around 4-5 years for bio-related field...

How about your final year project? How do you find it? like it? or hate it very much?

If you are very unsure about research, lack of exposure, and don't know what is your interest yet, try look for lecturers who are willing to employ Research Assistants and give it a try...It is very risky and i would strongly recommend against taking up the offer now as you do not know what your direction is yet...

PhD is a very big decision in your life...do not rush it...take your time, think about it thoroughly before deciding...

by the way, 3.9/4 is really a strong 1st class...congratulations!!


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Hi cvk, well my case is similar with urs, yeah i jump from degree to phd..
Well the question to do or not to do, we can only advise u, but u d one that have d answer deep inside of u. There are many reasons to do or not to do phd, well i dont know ur reason, but i can help by listing mine.

1. I do not really into "working" culture, in at 9am and go back at 5pm (im d lazy type, usually i wake up very late tongue.gif) Plus i did my internship last time, and not really keen about work stuff...well its hard to say why, but let say..im not really into it.

2. Interest is d important factor, if u really interested in the topic u will be doing, then u will have joy and so much fun doing what u want. if u go to working life, doing waht company wants but not what u want, u might feel stressed out or de-motivated.

3. Money!!! For everyone money is important, no matter how hard we deny it. Well of coz if u choose working, with ur good result, i can say u will earn around 3-4k range of payment. Well with phd, u might earn an allowance around 2.5k (for Biasiswa agong), 2.3k (NSF/Mosti scholar) and around 2k for university pay. well it depends on ur situation, do u need 3-4k to live? to pay for ur car and house? For me, i receive around 2k for my phd..but it is sufficient for me.. yes my frens all driving bigger and better car than me, they might have bigger house and im still stay with my parents. Well..it is sufficient for me at the moment, im lucky to have house to stay and enuff money for my car and food. so yeah, since i dont need alot of money, i opt to pursue for phd first =) plus, phd holder can earn around 5-6k after they graduate. So yeah, i wouldn't mind living a simple and minimal life for now. because i can see brighter future ahead.
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btw thanks to highwind and sergeant pepper for backing the phd life, its hard to "talk" or negotiate with ppl that pulling PhD down by saying it is easy and stuff like that, and it is not pleasant to hear it from someone that not doing the research itself. (its like footballer listen to all the crap from the spectators and fan..haha there is a reason why the footballer is who he is and in the field playing and why the spectators/fan still remain at other side of the field wink.gif )
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don't mention it...i spent 1 year looking for sponsorships and scholarships with my 1st class results before i ended up in Aus...i know how hard it is to convince people to take you...

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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jul 18 2010, 11:23 PM)
don't mention it...i spent 1 year looking for sponsorships and scholarships with my 1st class results before i ended up in Aus...i know how hard it is to convince people to take you...
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Isn't the lecturer that takes you in might help you apply for scholarships?
Or in AUS this doesn't happen?

Cause from what I heard, in Japan, the lecturers will usually help their Masters or PhD students in getting scholarships.
And the chances will be higher, too.

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For me personally, my lecturer never helped me to apply for my scholarship. Monash is pretty strict about the criteria, but they're also quite transparent about it.

However, he did help me get some emergency funds for a conference as the Finance department was quite slow in processing said funds and I was supposed to fly in just a couple of days!
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QUOTE(Dark Lord @ Jul 19 2010, 12:39 AM)
Isn't the lecturer that takes you in might help you apply for scholarships?
Or in AUS this doesn't happen?

Cause from what I heard, in Japan, the lecturers will usually help their Masters or PhD students in getting scholarships.
And the chances will be higher, too.
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Depends on which type of scholarship you're talking about...if international ones like Commonwealth and Endeavour, the answer is no...the lecturer can only assist you in preparing for the application...the selection panel is from the sponsor body and is based on merit alone...so the lecturer can't help much...

If the scholarships is offered by the university, the yes, the lecturer can recommend you for that scholarship...but the decision lies with the school admin people to decide who to take...this is when 1st class comes into play to convince those admin people to take you...

Others that i have applied before are those that advertise the vacancy in their web page or university web page...those usually draw up a large pool of applicants..so the lecturer will screen and pick the candidates...again your Cover letter, CV and qualification speaks on your behalf...it's not easy though...
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QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jul 19 2010, 12:48 AM)
If the scholarships is offered by the university, the yes, the lecturer can recommend you for that scholarship...but the decision lies with the school admin people to decide who to take...this is when 1st class comes into play to convince those admin people to take you...
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Not sure how it's like in ANU, but for Monash here, the decision pretty much lies with the Head of School.
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Not sure how it's like in ANU, but for Monash here, the decision pretty much lies with the Head of School.
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My supervisor wanted to take a student with 2nd class honours and recommended her for the scholarship by the school but was rejected...so the supervisor can't do much to help her in the end...
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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jul 18 2010, 11:20 PM)
btw thanks to highwind and sergeant pepper for backing the phd life, its hard to "talk" or negotiate with ppl that pulling PhD down by saying it is easy and stuff like that, and it is not pleasant to hear it from someone that not doing the research itself. (its like footballer listen to all the crap from the spectators and fan..haha there is a reason why the footballer is who he is and in the field playing and why the spectators/fan still remain at other side of the field wink.gif )
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biggrin.gif ya la, like highwind said "don't mention it". I have to let go a lot of things just to continue my study, so yes, I suffered a lil, but in the end it's all worth it, I always know I want to do this...planning to take PhD one day too.


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I see...What sort of job were you looking for after your graduation? having no interest in doing research is a big taboo for postgraduate students especially PhD...
The usual time for a PhD student to finish his studies takes around 4-5 years for bio-related field...

How about your final year project? How do you find it? like it? or hate it very much?

If you are very unsure about research, lack of exposure, and don't know what is your interest yet, try look for lecturers who are willing to employ Research Assistants and give it a try...It is very risky and i would strongly recommend against taking up the offer now as you do not know what your direction is yet...

by the way, 3.9/4 is really a strong 1st class...congratulations!!
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Ya ya nod.gif big taboo, you might get away with it if you do MSc by coursework, but not PhD. You really need to determine your interest before getting PhD.

QUOTE(VMSmith @ Jul 19 2010, 12:44 AM)
For me personally, my lecturer never helped me to apply for my scholarship. Monash is pretty strict about the criteria, but they're also quite transparent about it.

However, he did help me get some emergency funds for a conference as the Finance department was quite slow in processing said funds and I was supposed to fly in just a couple of days!
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My supervisor help me securing my scholarship behind my back (I love you Dr.), I'm totally unaware of it until convocation day when the award announce in convo booklet, about 2 months later. My friends said I got it because of my final year project (I work for FYP like crazy!!!), whatever it is, I'm forever thankful.

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Better go for work and climb up the corporate ladder. It might be a waste if u can jump to phd but research is not your interest you're wasting more of your time and career by taking phd.

Other than bio related field u can also opt for a different working field. Dpeends on your luck but if you;re good, the time u spent to grad from your phd u migh already be much more sucessful in your career.

Phd not really useful in malaysia la
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cool!! I sense lots of people like me here.. lets speak geek!! flex.gif
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lol.. this is certainly a geek meeting thread.

But not me. Im not geek shakehead.gif
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Phd not really useful in malaysia la
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Malaysia will need PhD eventually if they were to develop...just like any developed country...the thing is are you willing to be part of the process or not...

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i might not even see the result of the process after i die...

The status of acedemic in malaysia is still on the bottom.. Research companies dont invest in malaysia. Even doing research in academic labs need 2 or 3 weeks for a simple reagent to arrive.
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 19 2010, 07:53 PM)
i might not even see the result of the process after i die...

The status of acedemic in malaysia is still on the bottom.. Research companies dont invest in malaysia. Even doing research in academic labs need 2 or 3 weeks for a simple reagent to arrive.
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Like i say..it's either you want to be in the process of not...revolution doesn't happen overnight...
In the past, people die in revolution for the sake of their future generation...they didn't see the result when they die...
And now, you don't have to die for future generation..just do your part and be a part of the change...
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guess i have no choice but to do my part.. its fate since im already stuck sad.gif
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You got to have heart for PhD if you really gonna take the plunge. It need a lot of commitment I say

It is a waste of opportunity if you turn the invitation down, but if you can't commit for it, it is also a waste.
Are you sure you don't have interest in research? What type of PhD they offer you.

Anyway, for your final year project, what kind of work you did. And, from all the courses you learn during, what you like or interested the most?
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ya, phd reli need lots commitment n i jus afraid tat i dont hv d capabilities n confident 2 do so. I got offer research based phd in UKM. My specialisation will b in molecular biology field.

My final year project is bout beta thalassaemia. I m using d molecular biology tool 2 study dis disease. Actually i dont hv preferences toward courses tat i studied during my degree time. I just study, study , n study oni becausei noe for bio student, gud academic result is needed 2 hv bright future.
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But there is no bright future for bio student in malaysia. hmm.gif

Is there any reason u took bio course or u get thrown in bio course because u list it as your xxx choice when applying uni?
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we can complain malaysia no good...stupid government workers, government no good, education system no good, road no good, police no good, everything no good....you can keep on complaining because if you wait for change you gonna die first.

But I choose to do something about it. Furthering my study is about empowering my knowledge with hope in the future I will finally contribute something meaningful to the society. But I still complain. LOL

p/s: I'm somewhat geek I admit.
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ya, phd reli need lots commitment n i jus afraid tat i dont hv d capabilities n confident  2 do so. I got offer research based phd in UKM. My specialisation will b in molecular biology field.

My final year project is bout beta thalassaemia. I m using d molecular biology tool 2 study dis disease. Actually i dont hv preferences toward courses tat i studied during my degree time. I just study, study , n study oni becausei noe for bio student,  gud academic result is needed 2 hv bright future.
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Bangi Campus? i'm quite familiar with UKM...which lecturer?
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Hi cvk, well my case is similar with urs, yeah i jump from degree to phd..
Well the question to do or not to do, we can only advise u, but u d one that have d answer deep inside of u. There are many reasons to do or not to do phd, well i dont know ur reason, but i can help by listing mine.

1. I do not really into "working" culture, in at 9am and go back at 5pm (im d lazy type, usually i wake up very late tongue.gif) Plus i did my internship last time, and not really keen about work stuff...well its hard to say why, but let say..im not really into it.

2. Interest is d important factor, if u really interested in the topic u will be doing, then u will have joy and so much fun doing what u want. if u go to working life, doing waht company wants but not what u want, u might feel stressed out or de-motivated.

3. Money!!! For everyone money is important, no matter how hard we deny it. Well of coz if u choose working, with ur good result, i can say u will earn around 3-4k range of payment. Well with phd, u might earn an allowance around 2.5k (for Biasiswa agong), 2.3k (NSF/Mosti scholar) and around 2k for university pay. well it depends on ur situation, do u need 3-4k to live? to pay for ur car and house? For me, i reving a simple and minimal life for now. because i can see brighter future ahead.
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ceive around 2k for my phd..but it is sufficient for me.. yes my frens all driving bigger and better car than me, they might have bigger house and im still stay with my parents. Well..it is sufficient for me at the moment, im lucky to have house to stay and enuff money for my car and food. so yeah, since i dont need alot of money, i opt to pursue for phd first =) plus, phd holder can earn around 5-6k after they graduate. So yeah, i wouldn't mind li
btw thanks to highwind and sergeant pepper for backing the phd life, its hard to "talk" or negotiate with ppl that pulling PhD down by saying it is easy and stuff like that, and it is not pleasant to hear it from someone that not doing the research itself. (its like footballer listen to all the crap from the spectators and fan..haha there is a reason why the footballer is who he is and in the field playing and why the spectators/fan still remain at other side of the field wink.gif )
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I see. spikz, How is your study right nw?? But actually d paid 4 bio student, even wif 1st class is lesser than d allowances fr biasiswa agong(2.5k), so i might b poorer than those phd student. By the way, izzit hard 2 apply d biasiswa agong,?it like not bad oso.

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cvk, I think it is best that you try RA post for 6months to 1 year, talk to lecturers to figure out what you might be interested to do. take it slow. The offer did not rush you right?

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Bangi Campus? i'm quite familiar with UKM...which lecturer?
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KL campus. i forgot d name of d lecturer edi.


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QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Jul 19 2010, 08:50 PM)
cvk, I think it is best that you try RA post for 6months to 1 year, talk to lecturers to figure out what you might be interested to do. take it slow. The offer did not rush you right?
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ya, i tink d offer is lasted 4 1 yr. But i will rather choose 2 work first n see wether i luv d working culture or not before i make my final decisionn.

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QUOTE(cvk @ Jul 19 2010, 08:50 PM)
KL campus. i forgot d name of d lecturer edi.
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Oh...KL campus...not familiar at all over there...can't help you much then...try RA-ship to get a feel of how research life is like before you commit yourself to PhD...that is what i can advise...
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try on RA is better than try on working.
When you work you cant simply quit like that.
Beware when they blacklist you.
That means you have bad reputation not only on that company but other related companies too.
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jul 19 2010, 07:53 PM)
i might not even see the result of the process after i die...

The status of acedemic in malaysia is still on the bottom.. Research companies dont invest in malaysia. Even doing research in academic labs need 2 or 3 weeks for a simple reagent to arrive.
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Sacrifice is one part of the revolution. You might not able to see the result by yourself, but knowing yourself involve in the process is enough or satisfactory. rclxm9.gif

Called me stupid or anything, but I dont mind if its for the greater good. I hope if death comes to me, my knowledge and my legacy would be continue later. nod.gif
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QUOTE(besoul_58 @ Jul 20 2010, 12:07 AM)
Sacrifice is one part of the revolution. You might not able to see the result by yourself, but knowing yourself involve in the process is enough or satisfactory.  rclxm9.gif

Called me stupid or anything, but I dont mind if its for the greater good. I hope if death comes to me, my knowledge and my legacy would be continue later.  nod.gif
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+1

It's not just about you simply said. besoul you're not stupid, you're patriotic.

So, back to PhD talk, I just noticed, we haven't have anyone from other aside from IT/computer science, engineering and biology. There must be more out there in this forum...need to promo la this thread...lol
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Morn guys.. :yawn:

another same ol boring day again... time to waste my life away...
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QUOTE(cvk @ Jul 19 2010, 08:46 PM)
I see. spikz, How is your study right nw?? But actually d paid 4 bio student, even wif 1st class is lesser than d allowances fr biasiswa agong(2.5k), so i might b poorer than those phd student. By the way, izzit hard 2 apply d biasiswa agong,?it like not bad oso.
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Sorry for the late reply cvk. my study is fine, thanks for asking. Biasiswa Agong, i heard they receive thousands applications every year, they will selected around 52 for interview, and only 12 lucky student will be sponsor, and get the chance to meet with our Agong himself smile.gif and yeah, ur pics will be on the news as well.

Well, go for NSF then, NSF have bioscience as well if im not mistaken, NSF sponsor quite a number of PhD students =)


@Pepper, yup we need to promote more, haha that why i want more ppl tell us about their projects in details, so can attract more ppl to discuss bout it =)
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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jun 6 2010, 02:19 AM)
Greetings,

after strolling in this "PhD school", i realize many topics are not directly nor related to PhD. Only few topics really make sense. So may i know how many ppl here actually doing PhD? may i know in which university and your research interest? So that, we could actually discuss PhD topics and your research topics and hereby make this thread more "reliable" source for graduate students and for those interested to do PhD in future.  smile.gif

cheers
btw, if im not mistaken, Bro azriamy is a PhD holder in Education. am i right?
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hi all

currently doing phd study in usm
field of research is mechanical, my research is about fabricating a ceramic cutting insert to cut stainless steel
in the video, the white cutting tips is my product.

pls see attached video for clearer picture



actually the main reason i came to lowyat forum was to discuss on Playstation 3 games.
play a lot of Mw2 though.

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QUOTE(zahirani @ Jul 22 2010, 11:12 AM)
hi all

currently doing phd study in usm
field of research is mechanical, my research is about fabricating a ceramic cutting insert to cut stainless steel
in the video, the white cutting tips is my product.

pls see attached video for clearer picture

actually the main reason i came to lowyat forum was to discuss on Playstation 3 games.
play a lot of Mw2 though.
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Wow dude, saw tat video
How long can tat cutting bit last in cutting stainless steel ?
Cutting stainless steel at tat speed and without cooling liquid wud reli blunt a normal bit quickly
but i m not an engineer lar, i dun reli know how strong can a very good bit can be blush.gif
i just luv power tools laugh.gif


postgrads here so free, everyday oso can post in LYN . . . . . tongue.gif




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QUOTE(CarroTT @ Jul 23 2010, 01:06 AM)
postgrads here so free, everyday oso can post in LYN  . . . . .  tongue.gif
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LOL, yeah, I have more time right now than when I'm doing my degree...just happen that in between experiment I got quite some free time..,
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QUOTE(CarroTT @ Jul 23 2010, 01:06 AM)
Wow dude, saw tat video
How long can tat cutting bit last in cutting stainless steel ?
Cutting stainless steel at tat speed and without cooling liquid wud reli blunt a normal bit quickly
but i m not an engineer lar, i dun reli know how strong can a very good bit can be  blush.gif
i just luv power tools  laugh.gif
postgrads here so free, everyday oso can post in LYN  . . . . .  tongue.gif
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not more than five minutes.... still researching on how to further improve it's lifespan

it's true when doing degree u`ll be very bz with class n assignments, but in postgrad my time only spent on reading n doing experiment. no class to attend and no assignment that need to do.. smile.gif

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y wan to make ceramic bits arr ?
wats the advantage arr ?

diamond bits not good enough ?
diamond bits can last long a not ? wink.gif
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y wan to make ceramic bits arr ?
wats the advantage arr ?

diamond bits not good enough ?
diamond bits can last long a not ?  wink.gif
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most probably m'sia have lots of ceramic material, so its cheaper than we use diamond.

Plus, who the hell use diamond cutter to cut a piece of metal. totally not worth it!!! hmm.gif
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QUOTE(besoul_58 @ Jul 24 2010, 10:47 AM)
most probably m'sia have lots of ceramic material, so its cheaper than we use diamond.

Plus, who the hell use diamond cutter to cut a piece of metal. totally not worth it!!! hmm.gif
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So what is the normal material used to cut metal? and what advantages ceramic has over that?
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So what is the normal material used to cut metal? and what advantages ceramic has over that?
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We could say a similar metal but has higher yield strength with the metal you gonna cut. But am not specialist in this cutting industry, lets hope zahirani could explain to us.
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QUOTE(CarroTT @ Jul 24 2010, 12:16 AM)
y wan to make ceramic bits arr ?
wats the advantage arr ?

diamond bits not good enough ?
diamond bits can last long a not ?  wink.gif
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QUOTE(besoul_58 @ Jul 24 2010, 10:47 AM)
most probably m'sia have lots of ceramic material, so its cheaper than we use diamond.

Plus, who the hell use diamond cutter to cut a piece of metal. totally not worth it!!! hmm.gif
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correct, diamond is usually used to cut materials that have very high hardness, such metal for outer space applications.

QUOTE(highwind85 @ Jul 24 2010, 11:02 AM)
So what is the normal material used to cut metal? and what advantages ceramic has over that?
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QUOTE(besoul_58 @ Jul 24 2010, 02:08 PM)
We could say a similar metal but has higher yield strength with the metal you gonna cut. But am not specialist in this cutting industry, lets hope zahirani could explain to us.
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normal material used is carbides (WC @ tungsten carbide), these cutting tips have shorter lifespan compared to ceramic cutting inserts. however, the product u saw in the video is still in development, there are many development stages that i need to go before can fully compared to those commercially available cutting insert out there..
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QUOTE(zahirani @ Jul 22 2010, 11:12 AM)
hi all

currently doing phd study in usm
field of research is mechanical, my research is about fabricating a ceramic cutting insert to cut stainless steel
in the video, the white cutting tips is my product.

pls see attached video for clearer picture

actually the main reason i came to lowyat forum was to discuss on Playstation 3 games.
play a lot of Mw2 though.
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Welcome dude =)

btw i heard for oil exploration they used diamond bits? Btw when u say cutting thru something, i always have a flashback on laser-cutting scene in Bond tongue.gif
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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jul 25 2010, 05:58 PM)
Welcome dude =)

btw i heard for oil exploration they used diamond bits? Btw when u say cutting thru something, i always have a flashback on laser-cutting scene in Bond  tongue.gif
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yup because want to drill underground plus very hard stone...

the bond one is totally out of my league
hahaha


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Is there any other method to drill underground to find for the oil without using the diamond? any other alternatives? perhaps u can find another way to do it bro wink.gif

instead using diamonds, u guys using reinforced ceramic or something, later can get rich by proposing this idea. haha
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QUOTE(spikyz @ Jul 26 2010, 01:17 PM)
Is there any other method to drill underground to find for the oil without using the diamond? any other alternatives? perhaps u can find another way to do it bro wink.gif

instead using diamonds, u guys using reinforced ceramic or something, later can get rich by proposing this idea. haha
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besides diamond there are other materials suitable for underground drill but i don't these materials specifically.

actually this project is for study purpose only. not to go into industry for the time being. however, if there is significant potential in this project, maybe my supervisor will decide to commercialize it.


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Huhu all the PhD holder here >.<
I just finish my E&E degree and plan to apply Masters in Aus.
Still a noob T_T
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QUOTE(zahirani @ Jul 22 2010, 11:12 AM)
hi all

currently doing phd study in usm
field of research is mechanical, my research is about fabricating a ceramic cutting insert to cut stainless steel
in the video, the white cutting tips is my product.

pls see attached video for clearer picture

actually the main reason i came to lowyat forum was to discuss on Playstation 3 games.
play a lot of Mw2 though.
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Wow i didnt know a ceramic can cut stainless steel. By the way is that a special compound of ceramic ?

What is ceramic ?
of or pertaining to products made from clay and similar materials, as pottery and brick, or to their manufacture: ceramic art.
-Source : dictionary.com

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QUOTE(Jing-leBelle @ Jul 29 2010, 03:29 PM)
Huhu all the PhD holder here >.<
I just finish my E&E degree and plan to apply Masters in Aus.
Still a noob T_T
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not PhD holders...we are just PhD candidates...Which university do you plan to apply to?
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Noob question here, anybody mind to share how much is the stipend for RA in Malaysia (Master's and PhD).

I had my Bachelor's and Master's in the US. So I am not quite sure for the universities in Malaysia.


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QUOTE(zahirani @ Jul 22 2010, 11:12 AM)
hi all

currently doing phd study in usm
field of research is mechanical, my research is about fabricating a ceramic cutting insert to cut stainless steel
in the video, the white cutting tips is my product.

pls see attached video for clearer picture

actually the main reason i came to lowyat forum was to discuss on Playstation 3 games.
play a lot of Mw2 though.
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nice work..

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Wow i didnt know a ceramic can cut stainless steel. By the way is that a special compound of ceramic ?

What is ceramic ?
of or pertaining to products made from clay and similar materials, as pottery and brick, or to their manufacture: ceramic art.
-Source : dictionary.com
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the materials used in my project is not the same for ceramic used for pottery or brick. it mainly consists of Al2O3 and ZrO2. more details on my project can be found hereand here.


QUOTE(xboxnerd @ Jul 30 2010, 04:22 PM)
Noob question here, anybody mind to share how much is the stipend for RA in Malaysia (Master's and PhD).

I had my Bachelor's and Master's in the US. So I am not quite sure for the universities in Malaysia.


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nice work..
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hi guys, i juz get shortlisted for YDPA scholarship interview for phd study, do u guys attend the interview before? What sort of questions they will ask during interview time? bcoz i have no experience on that and i juz hv little backgrounds in research bcoz i m degree student who jump into phd straight away. Pls help me!!!
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wow.....so there are a few dr. here xD Just wanna ask a few question here
1)is there a limit time for you to complete your phd?
2)While doing ur phd,do you work or full time studying?
3)are you guys read a lots of books?except ur textbook.....
4)How old are you guys?bcoz normally i see my sch lecturer with Dr. also aunty uncle ad rclxms.gif
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in malaysia you could do it up to 6 years long as well as in USA, in Australia its 5 years, mean while UK is 3-4 years
but, you could finish it earlier.

im full time studying..if you are doing it part time, it will take like ages to complete your phd..BUT, you could try Research Assistant post for some extra money while doing the pHD.


Apart from journal paper, preceedings and patents, i do find myself some time to read some good books

Im 22. I take pHD straight away after finished my 1st degree.. now Im in my second year phd.. doing well so far.. (: smile.gif


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hi guys, i juz get shortlisted for YDPA scholarship interview for phd study, do u guys attend the interview before? What sort of questions they will ask during interview time? bcoz i have no experience on that and i juz hv little backgrounds in research bcoz i m degree student who jump into phd straight away. Pls help me!!!
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the interview is depending on the panel.. its the usual interview..just like NSF..

wish you best of luck

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what is YDPA?


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QUOTE(xboxnerd @ Jul 30 2010, 04:22 PM)
Noob question here, anybody mind to share how much is the stipend for RA in Malaysia (Master's and PhD).

I had my Bachelor's and Master's in the US. So I am not quite sure for the universities in Malaysia.


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nice work..
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if not wrong shud be between 1800 - 2400, phd being the higher end.

why continue malaysia. US got much better prospective and im sure u get more stipend there. dun make the wrong choice

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YDPA = yang di-pertuan agong
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QUOTE(zahirani @ Jul 26 2010, 02:09 PM)
besides diamond there are other materials suitable for underground drill but i don't these materials specifically.

actually this project is for study purpose only. not to go into industry for the time being. however, if there is significant potential in this project, maybe my supervisor will decide to commercialize it.
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Interesting stuff mate, this is a pilot project? I'm assuming ceramic materials also suffer from brittleness the way tungsten-carbide is as well?

I'm assuming ur with the engineering campus in Trans-krian, who r u working with? I'm based near the main campus and work closely with the Innovations Office.
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It's not just about you simply said. besoul you're not stupid, you're patriotic.

So, back to PhD talk, I just noticed, we haven't have anyone from other aside from IT/computer science, engineering and biology. There must be more out there in this forum...need to promo la this thread...lol
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YDPA = yang di-pertuan agong
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just like i thought but never heard of ydpa scholarship. something new? must be the highest scholarship in malaysia right since use agong name
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u mean electronics?
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just like i thought but never heard of ydpa scholarship. something new? must be the highest scholarship in malaysia right since use agong name
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Well i believe they have it for some no of years already (its started on 2006), yes, JPA claimed is the highest scholarship in malaysia and what more, u will have the oppourtunity to have lunch with agong rclxms.gif

here some quote from wikipedia "Yang di-Pertuan Agong Scholarship

In November 2006, the 10th Yang di-Pertuan Agong awarded, for the first time, the Yang di-Pertuan Agong Scholarship to ten outstanding students to pursue postgraduate studies at high-ranking world universities. The award of scholarships was held at the Istana Negara in conjunction with the Independence Day celebrations and Council of Rulers Conference.[2]"

and here is link, the difference between how much YDPA will give ur monthly allowance http://www.jpa.gov.my/v3/2009/07/1180/lang/en/
United Kingdom £ 1,639.50, its about RM9-10k /month.

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No shit.. 9-10k permonth... But i bet only certain race can get it. sad.gif
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u mean electronics?
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No, tectonics = a study of the movement of Earth's tectonic plates -> its a geology subject
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No shit.. 9-10k permonth... But i bet only certain race can get it. sad.gif
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I'll bet. That is 5 times my own allowance.

Heck, even my pay will not be that high when I finally get my ass to work.

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I'll bet. That is 5 times my own allowance.

Heck, even my pay will not be that high when I finally get my ass to work.
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even senior lecturer pay not so high. doh.gif

tectonic study where? Is it related to the oil and gas industry?
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No shit.. 9-10k permonth... But i bet only certain race can get it. sad.gif
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That amount of allowance are for the ones who studied oversea. The amount for the candidates studying her local would be different and of course still A LOT compared with other scholarship applicable only for local studies! nod.gif
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from the website it say rm2500 about the same as normal schlarship la


but whichidiot will try so hard for the scholarship and go local.. I dun think they even accept local uni for that scholarship cuz it say must secure place in ivy league or some high ass level institution.. Malaysia just doesnt haf
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even senior lecturer pay not so high. doh.gif

tectonic study where? Is it related to the oil and gas industry?
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I think we've all been in the education line to know that unfortunately, senior lecturers do not get senior salaries. sad.gif

I believe tectonic studies is more related to shifting of the earth's crusts rather than being directly related to O&G.
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from the website it say rm2500 about the same as normal schlarship la
but whichidiot will try so hard for the scholarship and go local.. I dun think they even accept local uni for that scholarship cuz it say must secure place in ivy league or some high ass level institution.. Malaysia just doesnt haf
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from a student POV, if you get extra 200 bucks compared with other scholarship, thats totally A LOT!! They do accept local institution, only IPTA applicable if am not mistaken. This due to the facts that my colleague won the YDPA scholarship.
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your colleague won the YDPA scholarhsip and continue local? hmm.gif

he could have just taken any other scholarhsip and letother ppl go over seas tongue.gif
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No shit.. 9-10k permonth... But i bet only certain race can get it. sad.gif
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well bro, i think ur comment is abit out of d line.

i went for the interview before, and i can say there a quite a number of Chinese and Indians during the interview. So yeah, ur allegation is quite baseless.

btw i didnt get the scholarship. lolz. Coz im continuing my study in Nottingham Malaysia Campus only, if im not mistaken, ppl that going to cambridge/oxford get that scholarship.
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tectonic study where? Is it related to the oil and gas industry?
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Tectonics can be applied to oil and gas ind. at the exploration stage, mining or earthquake prediction - for starters.
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Why do I get the feeling that after these YDPA scholars get their degrees, they won't come back to MY?
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Why do I get the feeling that after these YDPA scholars get their degrees, they won't come back to MY?
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Easy question
1. More money out there
2. Less restrictions from society/government (academics in general tend to be left leaning folks, in contrast to more right leaning people who dominate this country)
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in malaysia you could do it up to 6 years long as well as in USA, in Australia its 5 years, mean while UK is 3-4 years
but, you could finish it earlier.

im full time studying..if you are doing it part time, it will take like ages to complete your phd..BUT, you could try Research Assistant post for some extra money while doing the pHD.
Apart from journal paper, preceedings and patents, i do find myself some time to read some good books

Im 22. I take pHD straight away after finished my 1st degree.. now Im in my second year phd.. doing well so far.. (: smile.gif


Added on August 19, 2010, 4:07 pm
the interview is depending on the panel.. its the usual interview..just like NSF..

wish you best of luck
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22 already taking phd? that's so young..but i doubt the quality of your thesis writings..since you're still very young & short of experience..

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tompang lalu, aku mau tanya sikit arr dari koko dan jiejie sini arr

normally u guys write Problem Statement, is in the Literature review or Methodology chapter arr ?
or sumwhere else ?


oso arr when wan to cite more than 1 journal arr, how arr ?
i wrote liddis APA stylo
(Saltmiras & Lemley, 2002; Neppolian et al., 2004)
korekt arr ?
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QUOTE(CarroTT @ Sep 1 2010, 01:29 AM)
tompang lalu, aku mau tanya sikit arr dari koko dan jiejie sini arr

normally u guys write Problem Statement, is in the Literature review or Methodology chapter arr ?
or sumwhere else ?
oso arr when wan to cite more than 1 journal arr, how arr ?
i wrote liddis APA stylo
(Saltmiras & Lemley, 2002; Neppolian et al., 2004) 
korekt arr ?
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I place Problem Statement in Introduction chapter. Right before I explain Objective of Study.

About citation, that's correct. But I suggest re-confirm with your supervisor as I noticed even when everyone follow APA guideline, they still have their preference, whether the earlier or later version. And pay extra attention on where to italicized like et al

Like, the latest version of APA guideline when I do my FYP states that if 6 or less names, cite everyone like (A, B, C, D, E & F, 2010) but my supervisor insist on (A et al., 2010).
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No smart ppl will come back to Malaysia. The opportunity for them isnt there. Even for smart bumiputera. Those lazy ones will come back because they have easy life here.

Dont judge ppl's ability because they are young. Many bright kids already proffesor at 22-23 age in other countries like US

What is Problem statement? i never come across.



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22 already taking phd? that's so young..but i doubt the quality of your thesis writings..since you're still very young & short of experience..
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Quality of writing has nothing to do with "life experience". Its determined by your command of language and understanding of the subject. If say a 15 year old "child genius" has an excellent command of the language of writing (I'm assuming its English here), he could write something on par with a 50 year old on the same subject, provided the subject is a wholy theoretical one.
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Sep 1 2010, 11:02 AM)
No smart ppl will come back to Malaysia. The opportunity for them isnt there. Even for smart bumiputera. Those lazy ones will come back because they have easy life here.

Dont judge ppl's ability because they are young. Many bright kids already proffesor at 22-23 age in other countries like US

What is Problem statement? i never come across.
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Problem Statement is like an excuse for wasting the research grant to do your research. lol
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Problem Statement is like an excuse for wasting the research grant to do your research. lol
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the most accurate definition i ever heard thumbup.gif


ya, i agree
shud put in intro after objectives
hmmmmm, sum people put in lit review oso . . . .


oso arr, u guys know where to find info bout upcoming science conferences in malaysia ?
i wan find cheap cheap n near near international conference, if can i dun wan go oversea, unless i got sponsor for fees, accomodation n travel
me cheaposkate tongue.gif
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QUOTE(The Envoy @ Sep 1 2010, 11:05 AM)
Quality of writing has nothing to do with "life experience". Its determined by your command of language and understanding of the subject. If say a 15 year old "child genius" has an excellent command of the language of writing (I'm assuming its English here), he could write something on par with a 50 year old on the same subject, provided the subject is a wholy theoretical one.
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It's not life experience but the knowledge that one acquired either theoretical or hands on where one understands what he wants ( that's where working world exposure comes in) & knows what to research (why do u think previous generation professors took their phd later?) That is when the phd content is a "mature' in terms writings & content..but as we know..who wants to read up 300+ pages or more research paper.

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QUOTE(feekle @ Sep 1 2010, 03:05 PM)
It's not life experience but the knowledge that one acquired either theoretical or hands on where one understands what he wants ( that's where working world exposure comes in) & knows what to research (why do u think previous generation professors took their phd later?) That is when the phd content is a "mature' in terms writings & content..but as we know..who wants to read up 300+ pages or more research paper.
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Most previous professors who are called authority in their own field does not work first. They jumped straight to acquired pHD. Thats the reality of the world of academia. Their work is merely only the purpose of gaining knowledge and publish/share their finding with fellow researcher around the world.
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U mean the problem statement part is when applying for grants?

i tot that is done by your supervisor?not?
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U mean the problem statement part is when applying for grants?

i tot that is done by your supervisor?not?
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Well, problem statement is part of proposal or thesis written. Example in my study

"The characterisation of plant chitinase gene activity and function by heterelogous expression and transformation would facilitate the understanding of chitinases roles in plant defense mechanism and development"

so the sentence above basically tell whoever read my proposal, what is the motivation of the study, hence the excuse to waste research grant.
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i c.. thats like conclusion right?

so u dont actually write

Problem statement: "The characteri....."
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i c.. thats like conclusion right?

so u dont actually write

Problem statement: "The characteri....."
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no, it's nothing like conclusion. I don't know how to better explain it.
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Sep 1 2010, 04:21 PM)
i c.. thats like conclusion right?

so u dont actually write

Problem statement: "The characteri....."
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It's like why are you doing the research...
Example: Disease <insert disease> is deadly, killing <insert number> people per year..<insert plant name> is used in traditional medicine to threat <insert disease>..therefore my research is to identify the possible active compounds of <insert plant name> extract for potential drug development...

Seriously, you need to know what is your problem statement or you don't know what are you working on the project for...


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QUOTE(Sargeant Pepper @ Sep 1 2010, 04:12 PM)
Well, problem statement is part of proposal or thesis written. Example in my study

"The characterisation of plant chitinase gene activity and function by heterelogous expression and transformation would facilitate the understanding of chitinases roles in plant defense mechanism and development"

so the sentence above basically tell whoever read my proposal, what is the motivation of the study, hence the excuse to waste research grant.
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Eh...i used to work on Chitinase from Trichoderma virens during my RA time...

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I didnt even hear of problem statement before. Do you write in in journals? Theses? I never write any thing like dat b4.

Problem statement: My research is to..

No such thing i have come across
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Sep 1 2010, 07:12 PM)
I didnt even hear of problem statement before. Do you write in in journals? Theses? I never write any thing like dat b4.

Problem statement: My research is to..

No such thing i have come across
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Problem statement is usually the backbone of the introduction of the project...the rationale of the project....it will answer very common questions like why you study this? why you study that?
every research stems from a problem..if you don't know what is your problem statement, you need to go back to basics and see why you do your research..
Papers, thesis, proposals...basically all these need a problem statement...don't be misled by the word "statement"...it's not 1 statement...it's usually in paragraphs...just like "Statements of Purpose" or "Personal Statements"


Added on September 1, 2010, 7:23 pm" b-Lactam antibiotics have been used successfully
for several decades to target the enzymes involved
in the last step of peptidoglycan synthesis. Nowadays,
the worldwide spread of b-lactamase-producing
organisms is an important public health
threat"

This is a common problem statement...extracted from a research paper...it's the 1st sentence i see after abstract...

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k thnx hgihwind.. i think i understand what u mean. Its like a common sense u write in your introdutction but you dont actually label them "Problem statement"

I neevr heard of this word b4 but used it. sweat.gif

who teach that the phrase is call problem statement doh.gif
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Eh...i used to work on Chitinase from Trichoderma virens during my RA time...
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LOL, small world eh. I'm working on characterising the gene isolated from sago palm.

QUOTE(highwind85 @ Sep 1 2010, 07:21 PM)
Problem statement is usually the backbone of the introduction of the project...the rationale of the project....it will answer very common questions like why you study this? why you study that?
every research stems from a problem..if you don't know what is your problem statement, you need to go back to basics and see why you do your research..
Papers, thesis, proposals...basically all these need a problem statement...don't be misled by the word "statement"...it's not 1 statement...it's usually in paragraphs...just like "Statements of Purpose" or "Personal Statements"
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Nice explanation. When I was first writing my proposal for my final year project, "Problem Statement" confuse me...take some time to fully grasp the idea (i can be slow at times).
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QUOTE(pleasuresaurus @ Aug 23 2010, 11:59 AM)
Interesting stuff mate, this is a pilot project? I'm assuming ceramic materials also suffer from brittleness the way tungsten-carbide is as well?

I'm assuming ur with the engineering campus in Trans-krian, who r u working with? I'm based near the main campus and work closely with the Innovations Office.
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my supervisor is Prof Mani Maran from mechanical school.
right now the project is still tryin to improve the brittleness and to make it cheaper than tungsten carbide.
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It's not life experience but the knowledge that one acquired either theoretical or hands on where one understands what he wants ( that's where working world exposure comes in) & knows what to research (why do u think previous generation professors took their phd later?) That is when the phd content is a "mature' in terms writings & content..but as we know..who wants to read up 300+ pages or more research paper.
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Most professors who do their PhD first before working, not the other way around.
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Don't mind me asking, are there any PhD students in psychology here? I'd love to hear from you guys regarding the whole course which I am indulging my fingers in right now, though I am working actually. I've heard from many that is is nerve wrecking and filled with theories and theories. But, honestly, is it very tough? I am not a really bright student since high school, but I love to analyze things from many different views to see each and every advantage and disadvantages from every views possible.

So to speak, is it compulsary to work a few years before heading to PhD. I have to start from degree though. Also, must we have qualification in chemistry(for medicine) to do psych...?

 

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