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post Nov 6 2010, 09:17 PM

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QUOTE(fiendishloki @ Nov 6 2010, 12:19 PM)
JRPG newbie here. will VS. have the same kind of battle system as FF13 or will it be like FF14/WoW?
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Not turn based. Think Kingdom Hearts.
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post Oct 29 2011, 01:26 PM

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QUOTE(Duckies @ Oct 29 2011, 12:18 PM)
I wan Square Enix to bring back the classic gameplay of Final Fantasy VI to X...sure,Final Fantasy XIII has pretty graphics with new and unique gameplay but the gameplay itself and plot is linear...
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Plot has always been linear when it came to 99% of JRPGs, there weren't multiple endings, there weren't choices where your characters could die etc.

Gameplay might be a little less linear with the previous games with World Maps and once you got the Airships. But before that it's usually limited to a few places you could go. XIII is extremely linear with no optional places to go before Chapter 11.
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post Nov 9 2011, 12:16 AM

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Would love to have the Steelbook.
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post Nov 9 2011, 03:38 PM

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Crystal Edition estimated around RM375 as of current exchange rate. Prolly will be RM400 if people are bringing in.
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post Nov 14 2011, 09:27 PM

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Anyone manage to PO the Crystal Edition? Sold out everywhere @.@
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post Nov 15 2011, 09:33 AM

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Luke's taking in R2 LE orders. Even he's not sure whether there'll be any Crystals that he can procure. Seems like Crystal is going to be super rare. Let's hope this doesn't happen to the R1 version.
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post Nov 18 2011, 09:06 PM

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QUOTE(lilko @ Nov 18 2011, 08:49 PM)
Its time that they change it to action RPG.. I really like the gameplay in KH but dark children stories is really not something I fancy.. And I hope there are a continue of female character support though...


Added on November 18, 2011, 8:50 pm

Standard LE is not going to be a problem.. Its the crystal edition that is going to be hard to find.. I really want the T-shirt though.. Sigh... sad.gif
Btw... Miss the retro FF music? You can listen to it in their new website now... And mind you... They are awesome.. Better than the original one.. XD

http://www.square-enix.co.jp/fabula/ff13-2/osarai13/
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Yeah Crystal is sold out everywhere. Hopefully I'll be able to get one for myself.
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post Nov 18 2011, 09:18 PM

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QUOTE(lilko @ Nov 18 2011, 09:15 PM)
And there I thought no one wants it because so many people complain about it, as though the game weren't even worth the time.... Now Out of stock?! WTH?! I havent save enuff of my money ler.. Lol.. XD

Anyhow, Seems like those obnoxious complaints are only from the minority...
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There are still JRPG fans out there despite the influx of criticisms about WRPGs being the "Real" RPG genre lol.
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post Nov 18 2011, 09:51 PM

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QUOTE(lilko @ Nov 18 2011, 09:24 PM)
Glad to hear this.. But at the same time sad news for me.. Cuz its less likely that I'm going to get such exclusive goodies.. I think have to wait for FFVersus which I fear even more.. I dun think the stock will last after an hour of its release.. Worst thing is every good thing goes only to EU region.. NA has less of it and does not looks as saucy.. sad.gif
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I think the R1 CE is the 2nd best option since it has everything minus the t-shirt only IIRC. So best to grab that. The only one left that's not announced is the R3 CE. Hopefully they have a controller bundle or something like last time.
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post Nov 19 2011, 02:08 AM

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QUOTE(kai91 @ Nov 19 2011, 01:18 AM)
The chances for R3 CE, imo, is low. NA and EU got their CE because they have market there. In ASIA, main market is Japan, that's pretty much it. That's why even for first FFXIII, the release was so much later than NA.
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I wouldn't really say that. Indeed the R3 version came out much later, especially for the copy with Japanese Dub with English Subtitles which surprised a lot of people. But this time they already announced beforehand that there'll be the same Japanese Dub with English Subtitles that's going to come out for R3 so I think there'll be a CE also.

And another thing is, in Asia, PS3 dominates the market unlike the 360 in USA. Even in the UK, PS3 has more marketshare. Singapore is one of the big markets. This is from an old article that I read last year or something.
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post Nov 22 2011, 03:18 AM

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The current generation console, Final Fantasy XIII, was obviously the first game, and personally I think we took a little too long getting it out. When you think of Western triple A titles like Call of Duty, Battlefield, and Assassin's Creed, they seem to work with a lot shorter turnaround - they make a new game in 1-2 years. That is something we need to follow up, because that seems to be the best way to keep our fans interested and attracted to the franchise.

With Final Fantasy XIII we took a long time to complete it, so we learnt a lesson. We were determined to produce Final Fantasy XIII-2 in a short time, actual development took about 1,5 years. And we'll be able to make it available to western fans less than two years after the release of Final Fantasy XIII. Which is okay.


Kitase on Final Fantasy XIII-2

Just came across this, so we might get a new FF title every 1-2 years but the problem is that they are trying to follow with the likes of an FPS and a Action/Stealth game?

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post Nov 22 2011, 10:21 PM

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In my opinion, leave Final Fantasy as turn based is the way to go. If they want to experiment with a different battle system like turning it into an Action RPG rather than JRPG then make a spinoff instead of doing it on the main game.

This way it leaves the fans who experience Final Fantasy from the beginning happy and also we get 2 games instead of one both with difference experiences.

Turning FF into Dark Souls? Bad move, turning it into Kingdom Hearts? A much better move if they don't intend on keeping the retro turn based battles.
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post Nov 23 2011, 06:22 AM

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QUOTE(lilko @ Nov 23 2011, 12:35 AM)
Action RPG can still be consider as JRPG just like what you see in tales though.. If they really want to make it static turn base rpg, which is less exciting then they have to make it another way...Something like Ao no kiseki from Falcom.. However like I mentioned before they are of different graphic style where things are more interesting to look at..

CG on the other hand just look awkward when they did not move and thing can get boring because they are not as colourfull..I mean look at Lost Odyssey.. They did not like the game at all.. And even though Last story sell better they are still of no match to TOX or KH.. Even Ni no Kuni suffers.. Maybe its because of the lack luster kind of story.. But in this fast pace era I think its hard not to follow the change.. Because when the story is not special the next thing you look at is how much can the gameplay let you experience and it does not have to be too unique in any sense..

Also, in contrast to your opinion.. I think the fans follow the trend as well.. All people want is actually the story instead of bothering whether its static turn base or action turn base gameplay.. Because FF games use to be very philosophical and poetic.. Or the least bit they can do is to make a believable character like cloud or zack or any other character... Now they are just stating the obvious plus they lack abit of humour when compare to WRPG where it Makes them kinda bland..

Though I still love FF cuz they are the only game that gives me the experience no game can give me..

So, action or not.. what SE should look at is their story.. Period.
Story alone isn't what Final Fantasy is all about.

Turn based battles have been in Final Fantasy since the very first iteration. In fact it is one of the fundamental basics that what makes Final Fantasy, a Final Fantasy game. But of course with the influx of WRPGs which offers "Multiple choices" "Multiple Consequences" "Multiple Endings" have influenced a lot of people which contributed to change in most gamers.

I'm not saying WRPGs or Action RPGs are bad. I played Mass Effect, Star Wars KOTOR, Kingdom Hearts etc. They all have their own appeal. But the mistake that a lot of studios have made is to "Westernise" their francises which have been there for a few years and already have their own fanbase. Changes like these are not going to be taken lightly with fans who have an attachment with the particular title.

Like I have said in my previous post, there are fans like me who prefer Final Fantasy being the Final Fantasy that most people know it for, Turn Based Battles, World Map, Story. If they wish to change a fundamental base of that game, they should do a spinoff instead like Versus XIII, Dirge of Cerberus, Chocobo Dungeon, Crisis Core and so on and so forth. They do not implement these changes into the core game itself.

Of course I'm not against "Adjustments" though like the Battle Systems in Final Fantasy X, XII and XIII, they are still Turn Based. It still retains the Final Fantasy-ish feeling inside the game itself.

And I do not think that all fans would like changes to the core basics of every game that they have grown accustomed to. What if Mass Effect turned into a Turn Based RPG? What if the Elder Scrolls series turned into some other game?
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post Nov 23 2011, 06:41 PM

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QUOTE(lilko @ Nov 23 2011, 09:08 AM)
I think its more like what is the demand now.. I mean certainly if those games were to become turn base or some other interesting gameplay I think many will gladly embrace it after some protest that is..

And FF versus is pretty much not a spinoff and it is semi turn base as well cuz you can change your characters in the middle of the fight though not being forced upon..

Well, But I see your point, tune base is a tad bit more fun cuz you have to utilize every members in it.. However, if FF versus is a success and many likes how SE takes it, I am afraid then that FFXIII-2 or FFXIII-3 will probably be the last you will see a semi time still turn base game... Because sometimes, if the majority prefer one over the other, then there will unfortunately be changes hence diminishing the others..

For me I mind not of gameplay, because turn base is just but the only available gameplay option at that very era.. It did not define the franchise itself.. And due to convenience I think that is why SE do not want to change it.. But its decline is too obvious to really turn a blind eye against thus the change to more action oriented game instead of a static one.. Of course world maps and the semi open world is a must though.. With story being the core.

However, worry not about FF being too westernise or something.. I mean heck since before FF was pretty westernised.. Its just that they were spiced up with Japanese culture.. Nevertheless SE will not do anything that stupid cuz for now, many fans like the Japanese culture.. They are not going to abolish the Japanese soul, its just the gameplay that they had had to change..

Again.. I want to emphasise.. Static CG characters is super awkward.. I am one of those who rather not had time still turn base.. Action turn base is a yes from me though if they do not wana ditch the turn base element.. Maybe they could let us manually set a time on how long a character get to attack the opponents before changing to another when it comes to action turn base.. Maybe that will make everyone happy..
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For me I still would not think Square will be that eager to change the Battle System to something like Kingdom Hearts for the main series. Which is why they made certain adjustments to the Battle Systems but retained the Turned Based fundamental of it. But judging from "Management" decisions in trying to "cater" to the current generation, I seriously do not want a substantial change to any of it's bases of it's main titles.

Nomura has all been about Kingdom Hearts and he's good at what he does. But honestly, I wouldn't want to see a main Final Fantasy game turning into a Kingdom Hearts game. Versus XIII looks awesome, story should be better than XIII from the trailers that were released and I'm looking forward towards the release of this game as I think it'll be quite popular. Nomura has proven himself with Kingdom Hearts and I think a lot of people know that.

Another prime example would be Final Fantasy Tactics, awesome game no doubt but Square did not consider it as their main series due to the fact that experimented with the SRPG genre. Then came Tactics A2. Also there's the RTS Final Fantasy on the NDS based on XII.

All I'm saying is that if they want to do that, then stick something in front, below or behind the Final Fantasy title. Tactics/<Something> Core/Versus <insert number> etc

Despite the issue, I accept that there might be changes whenever a new title is brought out, but too much change or rather, a substantial change to one of it's core mechanics can lead to a very adverse response from fans.

This comes from the fact that, I hate what Square did with letting Double Helix producing Front Mission Evolved. I hate Capcom for letting DMC be rebooted by some studio who produced Heavenly Sword.
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post Nov 30 2011, 09:19 AM

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Nice, should be below or around EUR7.99 exclusive of shipping I assume?
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post Nov 30 2011, 11:42 PM

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QUOTE(Magnum7997 @ Nov 30 2011, 05:56 PM)
Hmm.... If it's less than RM 60, I'll like to order it. But please tell me the price, I might consider paying more for the steelbook case.
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EUR7.99 w/o shipping from what I saw. But I have no idea whether they ship to Malaysia in the first place or not. Wonder how much is Kai's

QUOTE(death_nite @ Nov 30 2011, 11:26 PM)
eh wanna ask. sorry if this edy been asked before.
ff xiii-2 japan vo with english sub release edy? is it R3?
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Not yet.
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post Dec 1 2011, 12:16 AM

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QUOTE(death_nite @ Dec 1 2011, 12:05 AM)
thank you. notworthy.gif
may i know tentatively when?
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15th of December
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post Dec 2 2011, 01:58 AM

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Anyone managed to get the Crystal Edition PO-ed?
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post Dec 4 2011, 01:15 AM

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QUOTE(intothefantasy @ Dec 3 2011, 02:43 PM)
anyone know where can i get the japanese version at december in lowyat seller from? all seller in lowyat are selling the english version it seems where their release date is 31/01/12
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pbbseller or stevechan are bringing in the Japanese edition
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post Dec 7 2011, 12:57 AM

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Yeah seems like only Serah, Noel and 1 monster will be your party members throughout the game with some Guest AI once in a while from the trailers I've watched.

But in any case, anyone noticed that in the snow areas, Serah's head and hands are covered in snow? Same goes for Noel and the chocobo but I tend to notice Serah's more lol.

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