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This post has been edited by entryman: Apr 11 2012, 02:38 AM

here's my opinion:

1st the word supplement :
Something added to complete a thing, make up for a deficiency, or extend or strengthen the whole.

so, if the person is fine and healthy.......why take supplements? i think there's no need for it...

a person should take supplement when the person is deficient of certain element......and i also think that supplements should not be taken for long period of time because it is not necessary to do so.....
as for side effects.......there should be none when taken in therapeutic dose.....

as for the origin of the drug whether it is natural, synthetic, or a modified natural form.......it does not seem to matter much..........
the action of the drug is about the same......
action of modified natural drug and synthetic drug can be more potent though...

NB!
supplements do not replace the need for minimum daily dietary intake of nutrients.....


i disagree
here's an analogy : the vegetable you eat takes it's nutrients from fertilizers and the soil ............so are you eating fertilizers, the soil?

This post has been edited by slimey: Jun 4 2010, 01:14 AM

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This post has been edited by entryman: Apr 11 2012, 02:05 AM

There are 3 schools of thought in natural medicine. One believes in using vitamins and minerals supplement while the other in wholesome food supplements such as spirulina, wheat grass and etc and the third uses both. Those who always speak bad about vitamins and minerals are the ones who sell or market natural healthfood products. Or people who are paid by these companies to do so.

Vitamins and minerals are no doubt synthetically derived but they have served their purpose in nutrition therapy successfully for decades. There were a few deaths recorded from taking vitamins in the past few decades. but their death was caused by over dose of a single vitamin in long term use because of wrongly reading the instruction. Pharmaceutical drugs kill more people annually.

If you want an unbiased point of view, ask a healthcare professional who has been using these supplements in his/ her years of treatments on their patients. If you want to speak with them you can PM me. I know a few of them. Instead of asking people who know nothing about this subject, they are better persons to seek advice from.

@4rings, thank you very much for your suggestion. Will contact you when the discussion in this thread requires so. As of now, let's hope some people knowledgeable in this area pops by, and provide some preliminary understanding needed.

By the way,

This is the list of composition obtained from the website.

take note that process chemical =/= final product

there's no chemical difference in the structure of natural and synthetic vitamin....unless the synthetic vitamin is modified such that there's other attribute such as easier to absorb, less toxicity, longer half-life...........

so the action of synthetic and natural drugs is the same in essence
and yes, synthetic drugs are just as effective as natural ones....

as for the chemical name of the vitamin... they refer to the same thing actually and the terms can be interchanged...
eg:
ascorbic acid = ascorbate =vitamin C
ethanoic acid = ethanoate
aspartate = aspartic acid

side effects is none if there's no overdose of the vitamin/mineral

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This post has been edited by entryman: Apr 11 2012, 02:05 AM

multivitamins have side effects..
B complex in it is very heaty..
your urine might turn yellowish and concentrated with a strong smell..
your nose might bleed..
you need to drink a lot of water

You seem to be in a hurry. B complex in multivits comes in small amount. Only those absolute B complex sups like neurobion is heaty, you dun have to take it daily if ur healthy u know, mix it up or alternate it. With enuf hydration i dun see a prob with it. Please dun scare ppl wit the nose bleed.

well.. i think when you are extremely heaty you tend to bleed from your nose and its not because of some chronic disease..

From my biochemistry knowledge "currently in medicine 2nd year", Ascorbic acid is the coenzyme of Vitamin C - oxido-reductase enzymatic function in body, together with Vit B2 and B3 "dehydrogenation of many substrates in our body eg in pentose phosphate, synthesis of nucleic acid, gluconeogenesis etc for normal metabolism function"

Coenzyme "unprotein" is some cofactor that binds loosely to apoprotein "protein part of enzyme" to change its conformation/alter rate of reaction/ influence metabolism as a whole. Cofactor "the main term" is divided into coenzyme "organic" and also metals "inorganic"


if theres layman's language, I would certainly help out hope i done my best

and supplements are good for body "esp the Amway X something", although only minimal optimal amount is needed daily. Dont overdose. Hypervitaminosis causes alot more complications

This post has been edited by Jedi: Jun 5 2010, 03:46 AM

i dont agree with the statement. before i say anything else, i would want to mention that i have no idea exactly how the API's (the vits and extracts ect you've mentioned) are produced nor the production processes.

so assuming that what you've mentioned is correct, i.e. the manufacturing of the API's mentioned uses the range of seemingly nasty substances in the processes, it does not mean that the substances are present in the final product. this would be the case as it is a legal requirement to test for toxic substances and levels are actively monitored. furthermore, the stuff you are taking would be well defined. i.e. if you are taking 100mg of something, you are sure to get that 100mg of something. (assuming you are not taking some cowboy branded supplement )

so as far as supplementing is concern, the clue would be in the word 'supplement' you are not replacing a 'proper' source. you are topping up somehting that a person is lacking or in not taking enough

but when you compared to the 'natural' herbal 'supplements', there is no agreed method on extraction nor the knowledge of what is the actual active ingredient. so the extract would contain 1001 chemicals and as mentioned by a previous post, natural dont mean safe. there are plenty of herbal products that interacts with medications which even within a same type of hebal plant, effects are very different in each person.

Watabout animal Pak?

anyone ever got a headache shortly after taking multivitamins ?

i dont.. my urine turns yellowish and concentrated.. then my nose bleeds..

now i cut down the dosage into half a tablet instead of 1 tablet.. i dont get those anymore..

maybe u should try cutting down the dosage if you think by taking the multivitamins gives u headache

Don't quite agree. Some of those chemicals might be used in processing the vitamins, but how much of it remains in the finished product?

There is a vast difference between whole-food and synthetic supplement.

In whole-food supplement, there are many factors present. When you take whole-food supplements, you are getting all the factors, known and unknown.
Whole-food supplement, means vitamins as they are found in food, untampered with in any way that would change their molecular structure, their biological or biochemical combination or their actions. Vitamins in their natural state always exist as living complexes with specific synergist co-factors, enzymes, phytonutrients and mineral activators and never as isolated single factors. A vitamin needs all of its synergists to function.

In synthetic supplement, only parts of vitamins packaged in large doses and these are chemical substances which have been produced in laboratories to fake the molecular structure of natural vitamins.

Almost all vitamins and minerals supplement that are sold in grocery stores and pharmacies contain ingredients that are synthetic. This means they are not natural and have been formulated in a lab somewhere.
Synthetic supplement contain vitamins and minerals that are only fractions and not full factors of vitamins and minerals.

That means, synthetic supplements are split into singular products and don't contain the total complex family of micro-nutrients as they are found in nature. The body can only properly metabolize and absorb natural whole-food supplements in the presence of these micro-nutrients. This supporting family is missing in synthetic products.
Because synthetics are produced in isolation without the family of micro-nutrients necessary for maximum utilization, they are far less potent than natural whole-food supplement.

Your body is built to absorb nutritional substances from food. Therefore, most health care professionals recommend whole-food supplement and not synthetics supplements.
So, WHOLE-FOOD supplements yield far better results than synthetics because it needs all the co-factors in order to complete its action.