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post May 31 2010, 09:42 AM, updated 16y ago

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Hi, I bought a Philips 42' Full HD LCD TV (PFL 3609s) last year for RM 2100. The picture qulity in the shop was great. But at home its has blurred somewhat. Its still clear but the figures are somewhat elongated. The people are a bit 'broader'. I checked with the shop and was told this is the effect of large screen tv's. But i didnt see this effect in the shop. I heard there is some cable that can be installed to provide sharper and more refined images minus the 'enlarged' effect.

Can someone clarify this and where to get this cable? I stay at TTDI, KL.
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post May 31 2010, 09:58 AM

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QUOTE(omnimech @ May 31 2010, 09:55 AM)
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You are using a normal coaxial cable to watch tv ?

If you plug in your notebook and watch a movie, it should be alright.

Normal tv / astro is not built for widescreen.

Get Astro  B.Yond, then it should be oky
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Dont wanna switch to a Beyond for now. Its only a few channels and dont see why we should give Astro any more money. Im using normal cables i guess. I would prefer to get some new cable or aparatus to improve quality. The TV shops were all using normal Astro so im sure its the different cabling which enhances the images. I have the same problem with my dad's LG Full HD LCD TV as well. Which will solve this problem?
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post May 31 2010, 10:09 AM

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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ May 31 2010, 10:07 AM)
BUY BLURAY PLAYER & WATCH BLURAY MOVIES IN 1080P!!! tongue.gif
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Im refering to normal ASTRO programmes
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post May 31 2010, 10:16 AM

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QUOTE(SiriuslyCold @ May 31 2010, 10:14 AM)
set the TV to not stretch Astro la... but you will have to bear with the black bars on the side.

there is no way you can avoid this - either stretch or pillar boxes, the TV Is 16:9 and transmission is 4:3

best picture you can get is to turn on whatever Philips processing is on the 3609, and set to display 4:3 for Astro.

Can you save different display modes for different inputs?
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But im wondering how they do it at TV shops? The images are much clearer and sharper. How do i get that kind of quality at home? This was even before Astro Byond came so it must be something to do with some cabling or aparatus.
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post May 31 2010, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(exentric_nova @ May 31 2010, 10:19 AM)
Those people are lying to you. Usually what they did is they put the decoder in front, but at the back of the TV, they're playing it from another source. Probably a blu-ray to give you that ultimate quality.

Or they're simply playing a channel from Astro Byond.
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When i bought the TV there was NO ASTRO BEYOND. So this issue has nothing to do with Astro Beyond. So can someone tell me BESIDES installing Astro Beyond what are the other methods i can use to improve the picture quality and eliminate elongated images?
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QUOTE(ronnt88 @ May 31 2010, 10:27 AM)
u r quite naive.... the shop was obviously playing the tv from a bluray player or media player and NOT ASTRO!!!!

pls get it over your head that you will not get nice clear picture from Astro. The sooner you do that, the sooner you can go on with life... icon_rolleyes.gif
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Obviously i know that the picture quality from the shop is due to some device and not a direct source from Astro which i why i asked what other means i can use to improve the picture quality. I did not say i want good picture quality with Astro WITHOUT doing anything. Im asking what can be done to get the same or similar picture quality as the shops. So i need someone to confirm the methods used and if it will be viable for me to use. Its that simple. Do read my posts carefully before replying.

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post May 31 2010, 11:00 AM

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QUOTE(low98944 @ May 31 2010, 10:49 AM)
First, what program you saw in that shop? Astro program or movies/documentary/etc pre-recorded in demo DVD or blu-ray?  Usually, those demo discs play at shop give quite good PQ in display TV (That is what their intended to achieve).

Sorry to tell you that if you use FullHD LCD to watch normal Astro program, you will not achieve the same PQ as you saw in the shop if at that time that shop used the demo disc on their display TV.
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Im refering to Astro programmes on the shop TV's not the demo DVD. I was under the impression tht ull need a cable or run the incoming Astro cable through a Blu Ray to get that kind of effect. So that means that everybody who has a large screen LCD TV has the same problems? And there isnt anything much they can do about it?
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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ May 31 2010, 10:56 AM)
Go to Aspect setting, set it back to 4:3. This will solve your "stretched" image.
As for the PQ for Astro, go and buy the best RCA or S-Video cable to test it out and if you can improve the PQ similar to that of the shop, don't forget to share it here  drool.gif  drool.gif
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Thanks. Yes i know the 4:3 ratio will solve the stretched image but the black borders at the side are too distracting to ignore.
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post May 31 2010, 01:01 PM

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QUOTE(baowen @ May 31 2010, 11:38 AM)
To be honest, you are just a retard smile.gif

number of sifu give you advice and you still keep ignore and claim that the shop has better PQ than your house PQ with the same model LCD.

and one more thing it might be related, RM2100 for a 42" philip LCD, it might be the lowest spec FULL HD TV from Philip.
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Are u even reading what i typed? Im asking how can i get a similar viewing experience as the shop. If it involves something simple then i would gladly try it but as most of you said it probably costs too much. Thats all im asking. Im not claiming anything that EVERYBODY doesnt already know. I think ure the retard who needs to learn how to read and comprehend english 1st before commenting on my posts. If ure unsure please fell free to read from the beginning. Im asking for everybody's opinion and so far its been good advise. So kindly refrain from the strong language. I aint some noob. I may not know particularly much about audio/visual systems but i excel in many other areas. Thank you.

As for the Philips LCD TV, i have given the model number. U can check the specs online here: http://www.consumer.philips.com/c/televisi...609s_98/prd/my/

It surely isnt top of the range but as i said in previous posts, so far i have yet to get any shop in Klang Valley offering better prices than the ones i got. Dont judge the TV based on the normal prices u see everywhere.

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QUOTE(exentric_nova @ May 31 2010, 11:18 AM)
How do you even know they're showing the REAL Astro sourced programs? Did you see the back panel and see the cabel connecting the decoder and TV? If not, seriously, they're showing from a different source to give an impression you will get amazing pictures when you bring it back home although you won't with current Astro formats.

There's absolutely nothing you can do to better the quality. You might change cable and see a cleaner image. But that probably means your old cable is degrading or the newer cable is just better in construction quality.

You have to understand you cannot get those image quality unless the source itself is of that quality and Astro doesn't provide it outside of their Byond Package.
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Yes i know that and i agree with you. Im asking what APPLIANCE OR SYSTEM can be used to enhance the visual experience. But someone has already answered my question. Thanks again.
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QUOTE(anfieldude @ May 31 2010, 11:33 AM)
The short answer. No cable can provide scaling. So there is no such cable.

Ur astro SD source is 4:3. Ur display shd have a few modes to fill the screen. Just selecting 16:9 might be doing a horizontal stretch. What u need to do is to do a progressive stretch. However, it is still stretching and it is not going to yield a perfect picture. Select something that says, Wide or Justified modes on ur display. (This might not exist on ur set as I am not familiar with ur set). However, they will still look a little off especially in the sides of the display.

Ur other choices are, get an external scalar. siriuslycold has recommended a dvdo. The dvdo edge is a good scalar/deinterlacing processor and it will be better than ur display. However, it costs about double of ur display. It has a scalar algorithm that is one of the best coupled with ABT chip.

Another choice is use an AVR with a good scalar chip (Onkyo with Reon chips, Denon with ABT chips). Then use the AVR to scale the picture to ur display.

The most logical choice is 4:3 but u hv clearly said that u do not want that.

The other option is to use S-video cable (a good one) that will not fix the "broader" issue that u have but will reduce the noise and the colour fidelity a little.

However, SD is SD, on larger screens it will show its ugly head. Also scaling a 4:3 to a 16:9 display cannot be done without losing fidelity. Also Astro SD sources are highly compressed so its not worth spending money on a high end scalar since it will still look bad.

My recommendation for now is learn how to get used to it.
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yes ai agree with you. Guess ill just have to put up with it. Doesnt affect me much though but was wondering if there was an easy method of improving the visual experience. Thanks anyway. Cheers!
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post May 31 2010, 02:12 PM

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QUOTE(aeiou228 @ May 31 2010, 11:49 AM)
I was wondering that too. RM2100 for a 42" Phillips Full HD TV last year was amazingly cheap.
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Sorry. My mistake. Got confused with my different purchases. I bought my Philips 42' Full HD LDC TV (PFL3609/s) for RM 3040. Current selling price is RM 2500 (i just checked).

 

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