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post Jan 5 2023, 06:13 PM

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post Feb 9 2023, 12:35 PM

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QUOTE(yjy @ Feb 8 2023, 06:57 PM)
Hi guys hope I can get some feedback.
I'm currently in Singapore going around doing the rounds to try open an account.

My situation:
Malaysian Resident no Singpass no work permit in SG

Today I visited
DBS MBFC
DBS South Bridge
DBS Singapura Plaza

I might have just visited the branches on a bad day because I noticed all 3 branches have staff with Trainee badges on at the front.

DBS MBFC told me they can't open the account without approval from Vickers team, went to check with someone else on the team.
Vickers team say they can't open an account without a Savings account open first and don't communicate with branch team...
Stuck between 2 groups that don't want to make a move...

DBS South Bridge staff said its not possible went to check with someone else 2-3 times, she was very helpful offered to submit the documents but needed to go photocopy ID and docuents which made no sense?
Why not just scan ID or take digital copies from my email. So I left.

DBS Singapura Plaza was the most helpful... same thing front staff said not possible. Went away twice to speak to someone. Finally got introduced to the Team Head of the branch and he said yes we could potentially open an account it's subject to approval and want to understand what your plans are for the account.

He introduced me to a colleague who started to offer me a product called "Manulife Invest Ready" which seems like a forced savings scheme.
I needed to deposit $1,000SGD a month for 10 years with the option to stop at 10 years and withdrawal at 13 years.
I was told I would get a transaction account, option to open a Vickers but would need to commit to depositing each month to this fund.
If i stopped this fund then the savings account would be closed.

Any suggestions on how to word my enquiry when I arrive at the branch?

I'm here for another day, but I can extend the trip if needed.

I also just chanced my luck at OCBC and UOB.

UOB said they have a product available but it requires $20,000 SGD to open and that someone would call me to discuss.

Same with OCBC, they took my details down and someone will reach out to discuss options.
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You might stand a chance at MBFC, just that you met the wrong employee. South Bridge came close too. Why not just prepare a photocopy of your passport/documents for them? Photocopy charge in SG should be around 0.2 SGD per A4 page (black & white, Woodlands region price, don't find shops in suburban malls as they are more expensive).

Try to keep a low profile, don't show intention that you bring millions here.

As you have observed, the local banks are more interested in sucking your money for their commissions/non-NII income rather than loaning out your money from a saving account laugh.gif

And yes, you receive conflicting messages among different teams of employee in the same branch of the "world's best bank" laugh.gif

If all options run out, you may try their foreign competitors or riskier small-medium banks/FIs like Singapura Finance and SIF (Sing Investments & Finance) though I doubt that would help much (you do get more pricing power with small-medium banks).

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post Feb 15 2023, 01:44 PM

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QUOTE(ceo684 @ Feb 15 2023, 01:22 PM)
DBS because can submit online with Malaysian IC prior to Singpass activation
And the card got nets brows.gif

Then when got Singpass alr
Go open Trust bank for 2%pa interest n NTUC points
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Maybank Sg debit card also has NETS... laugh.gif
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post Feb 18 2023, 06:53 PM

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QUOTE(Ancient-XinG- @ Feb 18 2023, 06:47 PM)
Hmm okies. Hope will arrive safely. Im not around for sometimes. Will be outstation
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Last time when they send the debit card and account activation details (which includes sensitive first-time login password/access key) I was not at home and the postman threw a notification letter asking me to go to the stipulated post office to collect the mail myself.

So, Maybank SG requires you to collect the sensitive first-time access key mail in person (the rest like debit card, welcome letter etc. will just be thrown into your mailbox as usual, without in-person verification).

Not sure whether this is the case now.


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post Feb 18 2023, 08:05 PM

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QUOTE(Mr Gray @ Feb 18 2023, 07:41 PM)
First time access is now sent via sms and email after approval which takes around 1-2 days after application. Only debit card via post.
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Ah good to know. Thanks for the update. thumbup.gif
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post Feb 18 2023, 08:15 PM

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QUOTE(lyyera96 @ Feb 18 2023, 08:07 PM)
for me, I apply at the Maybank branch, so I will receive 4 letter from Maybank SG separately, 2 letter+2 letter
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Ah I spot the difference now. If apply at branch, "letters" mailed "offline", if applied online, everything except debit card settled online via email/SMS.
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post Feb 19 2023, 09:02 AM

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QUOTE(yjy @ Feb 19 2023, 08:23 AM)
Seems like they want me to start a fixed deposit for 5 years or invest into a mutual fund that can be withdrawn at my choosing.

Can split between the two.

The bank staff gave an example of investing into their mutual fund made up of US stocks + other countries. Then if the market does well she said some clients withdraw in 1 - 2 years.

At the same time she said you get a bank account with a minimum $1,000 SGD balance required. Sounds like their "UOB One" product.

I haven't got the amounts to invest yet.

But maybe there's an option with UOB now too?

Will report back when I find out more.
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Maximize the portion in FD, minimize the portion in that "mutual fund". (If I understand correctly, UOB SG FD has no penalty for early withdrawal, so at most you lose say 1-year interest if you withdraw 1 year later, provided the amount is small).

Did they say how much you need to invest in either FD/mutual fund? Hopefully not the 30-50k range we see here all too often. tongue.gif

Yes, UOB One account is good enough. That's their "flagship" product and direct answer to DBS Multiplier/OCBC 360.

The only unfortunate thing is you will have to tie up 1k SGD inside all the time earning peanut interests.

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post Feb 21 2023, 09:01 AM

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QUOTE(sidefulnes @ Feb 21 2023, 12:26 AM)
Hi everyone! Would like to ask those that have the Maybank iSavvy account, how do you get bank statements? It seems that I am unable to get an estatment from M2U SG and I don't recall receiving any hardcopy statements. I tried searching on the FAQ but it doesn't seem to clearly state if iSavvy is eligible to get estatement. Would like to ask you guys here first before I burn money to call Maybank SG.

I wish to apply for CDP account on SGX but I need to get a bank statement that I can't seem to find it on M2U SG. Appreciate any information shared, thanks
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If you plan to apply for a CDP account it's better to have an account with one of the 3 local banks (DBS, UOB, OCBC) and link your CDP account with them as you can only apply for SG T-bills, bonds and SSB with the 3 local banks.

Chances are that if you are eligible for a CDP account you should already fulfill the condition for opening bank account with DBS, UOB and OCBC.

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As to your question on Maybank SG, for iSavvy account there's no eStatement services. If you click on the view eStatements button in the home page you will eventually be redirected to the eStatements settings page of which the bottom of the screen pulls up a red banner telling you the service is not available for your account.

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iSavvy account's "statement" is not really a "statement" per se, but just a simple summary. You can access it by clicking the "download as" button at the bottom of your account summary page. You can use CIMB SG's statement to open a DBS bank account/CDP account (for the bank statement verification part).

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QUOTE(sidefulnes @ Feb 21 2023, 10:03 AM)
Initially I opened the iSavvy account as Maybank is listed under MAS licensed bank. But when I finally got around to starting the CDP application, I realised that there is no statement available  doh.gif
Yeah, I tried to download the simple summary but it doesn't show an official Maybank letterhead with account details. Its either I check with the Maybank MY banker that processed my application or contact Maybank SG directly.
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Contact Maybank SG directly. Maybank MY won't be able to help much.

And do you have DBS/UOB/OCBC bank accounts? Their statements are good enough + you also have access to SG government securities primary market.
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post Feb 21 2023, 10:22 AM

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QUOTE(sidefulnes @ Feb 21 2023, 10:17 AM)
Unfortunately I don't have accounts with the DBS/UOB/OCBC in SG  cry.gif
I'll give Maybank SG a call soon.

If can't I'll save up extra money to prepare for opening an account with DBS SG.
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If you don't have an account with DBS/UOB/OCBC chances are you can't open a CDP account.

Do you have work pass/student pass in SG? They are needed for opening a CDP account.

https://investors.sgx.com/cdp-account-opening/#/online-form (If you proceed with the application, you need to enter the "FIN" number, of foreign identification number issued by ICA while you are in SG.)

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Which is why I say if you don't have a DBS/UOB/OCBC account (i.e., not meeting the study/work pass requirement), you are unlikely able to open CDP account. Conversely, if you already have a work/study pass, you are definitely eligible for DBS/UOB/OCBC and CDP.

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post Feb 21 2023, 11:48 AM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 21 2023, 11:34 AM)
Er wrong. You go to mbfc and open dbs Vickers with a dbs account. They will open a CDP account for you. Now you know why I said sg are so old fashion Vs US and Europe? You can buy us treasuries using interactive broker unlike sg.
You will need to travel to Singapore. Go mbfc and open dbs Vickers, dbs account and they will auto open a cdp account for you. No need working or study pass. Subject to approval. Just bluff them say you want to to buy sg treasuries or invest in sg market using DBS Vickers. Once opened they won't keep track if you actually buy or not
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Nothing wrong consider that it is impossible to open DBS account without pass. biggrin.gif

Once you have DBS/UOB/OCBC, CDP/DBS Vickers and anything else is possible.

Of course in your example, DBS Vickers + bank account comes in one package. In that case, you can ask for more by asking them to open a CDP account for you. I suspect you don't have CDP account, why didn't you open one back then if this method works?

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post Feb 21 2023, 11:52 AM

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QUOTE(sidefulnes @ Feb 21 2023, 11:19 AM)
Ah I see, I thought its as long I have an account with any of the listed.

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nope, no pass cry.gif
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lol DCS is available when you open a CDP account. But the key here is to meet the requirement to open a CDP account, which again, requires study/work pass.

Unlike opening DBS account which allows those with $$$ to buy their unit trusts/bancassurance products, it's "no pass, no talk" for CDP (via ordinary route).

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post Feb 21 2023, 03:21 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 21 2023, 03:15 PM)
Er wrong again. I opened mine without any pass and I suspect if you push dbs staff at mbfc. they will opened. Only valid for mbfc. Cause I saw somewhere on dbs page, you don't need pass to open a DBS Vickers and DBs account. That was like 2 years ago memory.

I already have CDP account. They open for me together with my dbs Vickers and DBs bank account. Use few  months and find them to be so inefficient. Never invest into sg stuff anymore.
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Ooo. Back then interest rates are low so the CDP is pretty much useless. But now you can subscribe for SG government securities with the CDP account you opened earlier. Funny I didn't see you active in the SG T-bills/SSB thread. So I inferred wrongly you didn't open a CDP account back then.

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Life has changed since then. It is difficult to open one DBS account today, as evident here: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=106627194

It is reasonable if you consider you are trying to open 3 accounts in one go and the banks hardly make a profit out of you and bearing risk with an unknown foreign customer when there are 50 or so ah mah and uncles queueing behind you trying to place their hundred thousand SGD FD laugh.gif

6k SGD is still a lot of money for some. That's almost 20k MYR.

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Maybe you can share you pushy tricks for others here to test.

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post Feb 21 2023, 03:38 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 21 2023, 03:33 PM)
I dont need ssb or tbills. I use mmf instead. Take the easy route. No need pening kepala.
He didn't push. I push. Cause my situation back then was like him. We we cannot open for you if you don't have DBS Vickers account. We cannot open dbs Vickers account for you if you don't have sg bank account. I was like I travel so far here, just open both account together can or not?
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Depending on the MMF's underlying assets, the counterparty risks are not the same. smile.gif

Lending money to SG government is not the same as lending money to a consortium of German-backed and Saudis-backed banks. There's a slight spread, not to mention MMF's liquidity risks during crisis.

But ok that's off-topic.

So your pushy trick is to ask "I was like I travel so far here, just open both account together can or not?" laugh.gif
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QUOTE(lyyera96 @ Feb 21 2023, 08:50 PM)
Are you sure? The wabsite list down you need 7 bank then Maybank also inside the list wor
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QUOTE(lyyera96 @ Feb 21 2023, 09:29 PM)
Oic, open CDP account also need FIN number ah, Singapore so kiasu lah...
For me ok lah, I dont care SG-T bill, SSB, bond, I just want buy Singapore REIT only, I have FSM SG also can buy
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Yes. I know Maybank and other banks are listed in the DCS service list. Citibank, HSBC, Standard Chartered are also listed.

But again the official route requires FIN number, which is only given if you have a pass/legitimate reason to stay in SG beyond the 30-day visa-free period by the ICA.

So, without the FIN, it does not matter whether you have either of the 7 bank accounts, CDP is just not available. But if you already have FIN, then surely you will have an address in SG, which allows you to open DBS account (and Vickers, CDP etc.)

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As for the "unofficial method/route"

Unless someone reported success with Ramjade's "pushy" tricks on opening DBS bank + Vickers + CDP account without pass and assuming you are not willing to fork out 10-50k for UTs/insurance products, it's safe to assume that the only route left is the official route.
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post Feb 21 2023, 09:56 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 21 2023, 09:30 PM)
That's you income tax number.
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Have to clarify. FIN can only be used as TIN if you reside in Singapore, and it's an SG tax number, NOT your Malaysia income tax number. Once you leave SG, you are supposed to inform CDP to delete the FIN info and declare yourself as non-SG tax resident. That's what happened to me after I leave SG last August.

I don't know whether Ramjade's TIN record in SG have been deleted.

*However, for DBS Vickers and FSM SG, you don't have to declare that, which is supposedly illegal, and your transaction costs are higher as they are subject to SG GST.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 21 2023, 09:57 PM)
Here's the official black and white.
https://www.dbs.com.sg/personal/investments...bsv-account-mca

So yeah it still stand. Just need to make the travel.
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lol I immediately spotted a problem.

You read further below.

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If you click on the "required document" link (highlighted in green box): https://www.dbs.com.sg/personal/support/ban...s-required.html

The same old page everyone would have visited before coming here and ask for help.

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Anyway, not discouraging anyone to try. tongue.gif If you deliberately not point out the green highlighted box part you might stand a chance with a good enough conversation tactic.

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 21 2023, 10:40 PM)
Er yes. That green box have always been there even when I opened my account.
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Ok, so Ramjade "pushy tricks":

Apply DBS Vickers while asking to include DBS MCA at the same time (either My account or Multiplier), do not deliberately point out anything that might otherwise lead to counterargument from the customer service officers.

QUOTE(Ramjade @ Feb 21 2023, 10:39 PM)
HSBC out of question. Usually they want priority banking.
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lol isn't this the same as DBS

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post Mar 22 2023, 12:34 AM

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post Mar 22 2023, 01:33 PM

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QUOTE(Ramjade @ Mar 22 2023, 01:13 PM)
TOS that's why you see I lost stuff so that ordinary Malaysian without priority banking access/working or studying in Singapore can have access to overseas stuff.

Just because someone is rich and have priority access they can open account easily. Normal people like me don't stand a chance if we don't have priority banking. That's why you don't see me promote anything priority banking way. My way are for normal working folks in Malaysia who just want to invest overseas.
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Ya you have a point. I do notice a few priority HSBC and Stand. Chart. clients here though.

But based on observations here thus far, no one after you have reported success with opening DBS bank account in SG without buying UTs or have SG pass (unless I missed out some posts earlier).

Again, recent trials to knock on DBS' doors from members can be found in this post: https://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...ost&p=106627194

I remember some others mentioned successful trials with UOB (also no pass/not willing to buy UTs), but they went missing when pressed for further info.

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One must also not lose sight of the fact that too often, people go to SG to honeymoon with girlfriend/wife or travel with family... not specifically to open DBS SG account. laugh.gif

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