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teongpeng
post May 23 2010, 11:06 AM

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QUOTE(objectifyme @ May 22 2010, 03:11 PM)
That's true. So does this mean that karma doesn't exist?
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no, that simply means u have no idea what you're talking about,.

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post May 25 2010, 08:51 AM

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QUOTE(Beastboy @ May 24 2010, 11:23 PM)
Karma is easy to refute if you think of it as a linear phenomenon, as in if you are kind to people, people will be kind to you. I don't think cause and effect works that way.

Example: your parents may have said if you get a uni degree, you'll get more job opportunities. That's the typical linear relationship, do A, get B. What's forgotten is the thousand things you did that can change the supposed outcome of A. You may have chosen a field of study that is no longer in demand. You may have chosen to party instead of studying and scraped through with a GPA of 2.1, causing your resume to persistently get shoved to the bottom of the pile. Sometimes even just being present at a place can change the outcome of A, as in someone comes to you and says hey, didn't we go to class together? My dad's the VP of the company you're interviewing at!

In all the scenarios, the common denominator is you, and the seemingly random choices you made prior to that point in time. You choose to attend a particular uni, the field of study, to party & skip classes. Every little choice - even the time you hesitated to cross the road and missed getting hit by a truck by 2 seconds, contributes to the final outcome. That's how complex cause and effect is.

So while the common variety "do A get B" definition of karma is a joke, the study of how a set of micro forces lead to an outcome is intriguing. It is as complex as predicting weather patterns, and can probably use the same concepts as the butterfly effect.

As I see it, it is for this reason that my reward for doing a good deed may not be the same as your reward for doing the same.
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post May 25 2010, 08:42 PM

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QUOTE(Beastboy @ May 25 2010, 02:54 PM)
I see BE figuring in the parts involving measurable action like the accident example but you're right, I don't see where BE fits in when two people sit blindfolded and think bad intentions at each other. How do you measure intention anyway?
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thinking bad intention will result in ugly features/negative aura which result in ppl not having favourable inpression about you which result in return less than favourable intentions.

have u seen a person who is pissed off all the time? u dont have to know him...u can just feel the negativity.

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post May 28 2010, 02:58 PM

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QUOTE(abubin @ May 28 2010, 01:43 PM)
if there are such things as bad karma then should also have good karma, right?

That means you do good things and bad things will come to your later cause it's karma. Or does the mystique being on the universe know what is the difference between doing good and doing bad? Thus rewarding you for doing good and punishing you for doing bad (bad karma)?
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doh.gif
if u eat shit and think it tasted bad...no one is punishing u wiht the bad taste. you are punishing yourself with your stupidity(or bravery depending on your line of thoughts laugh.gif )

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post May 28 2010, 10:35 PM

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QUOTE(Beastboy @ May 28 2010, 10:09 PM)
That is why I'm always of the opinion that there is no such thing as good or bad, there's only consequence. Whether the consequence is perceived as "good" or "bad" is subjective, depending on which belief system you're from.
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pain = bad
no pain = good

Whats so hard to NOT understand?


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QUOTE(ComposMentis @ May 28 2010, 08:24 PM)
But things tend to go haywire, even if you do good things there's still a very high possibility you might get something bad in return
as in the case you helped a person but the person didn't feel thankful instead accused you of trying to take advantage of him or her  sweat.gif
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doh.gif you ppl are so shallow. doing something good will always be rewarded with something good. You not receiving something good after you've done something good is because u have done something bad in the past which result in an unfavourable response.

Its very simple. someone kill your mom. and then he do something good like help u fix your car. do you think you oughta reward him or dissed him? duh.



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post May 29 2010, 08:07 AM

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QUOTE(lin00b @ May 29 2010, 12:32 AM)
not according to some bsdm video i see  sweat.gif
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u watch those? laugh.gif


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post May 29 2010, 02:48 PM

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QUOTE(ComposMentis @ May 29 2010, 10:11 AM)
oops sorry
I thought karma only applies in the present life, i didn't know it can be extended to past life  tongue.gif
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i didnt exactly say anything about past life...but oh well... rolleyes.gif

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post May 30 2010, 02:35 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ May 30 2010, 12:16 PM)
Here's a question to those who believe in karma.

If one does a good deed, and let's just say it's in a somewhat, huge proportion, i.e. donated a million to the poor, which side of karma (good / bad) that he will gain if the money which he donated were actually obtained through theft?
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donation brings good karma. theft brings bad karma. and thus he will experience both good and bad consequences separately.

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post May 30 2010, 02:47 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ May 30 2010, 02:46 PM)
So does that mean as long as the person outweighs his bad deeds with good ones, "karma" will simply deemed his "bad deeds" as excusable?

Or, a more appropriate question will be, why is that bad deeds are always much more severe than good ones?
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which part of the consequences happening SEPARATELY dont u understand?

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post May 30 2010, 03:27 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ May 30 2010, 02:57 PM)
True, consequences may trigger separately in accordance to good and bad karma, but isn't it already a bad karma for a person to rest upon the relieve that he'll always be "okay" about it as long as he manages to top up some good deeds in compensate his bad ones?

For example: I stole something. And then I contemplate: "Hey wait, it's that bad karma? Oh wait, no worries. All I gotta do is to get some good karma, and all will be fine." AND SO I CONTINUED STEALING.

Now, I don't know about you, but that thinking is already a "bad karma". Karma may have consequences SEPARATELY for good and bad deeds as you put it, but to actually accept karma as a teaching? I personally think it will put us into that position where we can choose to justify our bad deeds with the good ones, and even if that's possible, I seriously think we're in a big deal of bad karma, which ultimately means that if you believe in karma, only bad things can happen to you, LOL. laugh.gif
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doh.gif Jesus dude! u really dont understand the meaning of the consequences happening separately do you?

If you steal and do some good deeds, you will suffer consequences of stealing and at a DIFFERENT time enjoy the good consequences of the good deeds.



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post May 30 2010, 03:48 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ May 30 2010, 03:41 PM)
Yeah, but that will put ourselves in the very position I described in my post.
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post May 30 2010, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(Deadlocks @ May 30 2010, 04:24 PM)
But do you see the FLAW of believing in a thing called KARMA?
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no. i dont see the flaw. i see a misunderstanding of the thing called karma.


 

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