Okay I  said, I never understood karma. So what is karma in the not simplified sense.

oops sorry
I thought karma only applies in the present life, i didn't know it can be extended to past life 

oh thanks for enlightening 

True, consequences may trigger separately in accordance to good and bad karma, but isn't it already a bad karma for a person to rest upon the relieve that he'll always be "okay" about it as long as he manages to top up some good deeds in compensate his bad ones?

For example: I stole something. And then I contemplate: "Hey wait, it's that bad karma? Oh wait, no worries. All I gotta do is to get some good karma, and all will be fine." AND SO I CONTINUED STEALING.

Now, I don't know about you, but that thinking is already a "bad karma". Karma may have consequences SEPARATELY for good and bad deeds as you put it, but to actually accept karma as a teaching? I personally think it will put us into that position where we can choose to justify our bad deeds with the good ones, and even if that's possible, I seriously think we're in a big deal of bad karma, which ultimately means that if you believe in karma, only bad things can happen to you, LOL.

never too late to add more water to dissolve the salt. but u cant get rid of the salt

sorry for bumping an old topic.

To me, karma is not applicable individually, not all the time at least. However, when you analyse a large entity, you will see a pattern of action-consequences.

Simple example : why are there more flash floods? Caused by deforestation. Note that the person chopping down trees may not be affected at all while innocents drown. In this case, HUMANITY is a single entity; they acted and received the backlash, though not on individual levels.

That's only because you think Karma only takes effect when an action takes place.

But the reality is, the action is already IN THE MIND, hence, if karma exists, then may people will have a whole lot more bad karma compared to having good ones.

No. Because it is a logical fallacy.

the entire idea of karma is paradoxical.

you do bad things, one day bad things will happen to you. then nope.

However if by karma you mean eg;

i kill person,then will result with me going to prison according to the human law. then yes.

You mean Karma need to change to: do good receive good and bad will receive bad in the same lifetime? Why people still stick to the old then?

Old as ancient believe since karma / god is created, does people in the past dare not to believe? I wonder if they are stoned to death but now we can choose not to believe and nothing bad will happen. It only make sense if it happen within the lifetime, that is why we have law, only decent people afraid of Karma, criminals don't and karma punish even the innocent, only god knows, primitive rules are created for primitive people.

I'm an atheist, and still am.

This took place a few years ago. One day I was making fun of my friend's Kuan Yin idol in his car, and also making fun of Jesus Christ.

Then within 2 weeks, I met 2 big accidents when I was driving his car. Yes, his car.

Not sure if this has anything to do with karma, but it's a true story.

If that happen to you, why should you suffer? Like receive punishment you don't even know what you did wrong is fair? 认命 is just luck than curse your previous self or just a way to console yourself.

For those which you noted and saw the outcome of karma.  How many did not come true?

Jumping off cliff is exactly what I will do being a non believer because nothing is more superior than the choice we made, why should I endure physical and mental suffering if I can choose to end it? People die everyday in road accident / hunger / illness anyway, console oneself is merely fooling oneself and for the believe, so if my next life will suffer if I kill myself, not my problem loh because my previous life did that to me otherwise I don't have to do it.

So all the crime is to remind us to appreciate life, if your family member become a victim, you'll be terrified and wish for deliverance and closure. If so I wonder why rage can turn into holly war.