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bashlyner
post Sep 19 2011, 05:29 PM

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There's no formula or pattern to calculate the action and reaction of karma, unlike Newton Law,Don't believe those Buddhist High Monk "Those who eat chicken born as chicken on next life" bullshxt.

You can make logical prediction about action and consequences, but that's basic nature only, Karma is more than that because it involve not only your action but also your mental state.

That's why Buddha say those who reach enlightenment can escape karma, regardless of how many bad deed that individual previously committed. And our mind play major role in determine our karma, that's why most Traditional Buddhist practice meditation rather than making good deed.

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post Sep 19 2011, 06:11 PM

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Sep 19 2011, 05:54 PM)
So it will only work if you believe because all in the head, can't help to wonder what my previous life did that made me a non believer.
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Gauthama Buddha emphasize practice rather than believe, that's why he question the practice of Brahmanism when he was young and determine to leave his wife and children to learn the answer himself, pretty irresponsible huh . So its completely OK that you don't believe in Buddhism, True Buddhism is not about how much you know, how logical your theory or how many followers you have, its how you practice and you are responsible for your self. Four Noble Truth state that Life is Suffering, disregard how good your karma is, that's why Buddhism focus on escaping from karma rather than getting a good karma.

There is a distinction between Traditional Buddha Teaching and nowadays Major Buddhism belief, they are becoming more like monothism such as Christian and Islam (no offense tongue.gif ), practice and meditation had been replace by propaganda and threat like "if you eat meat you'll end up in hell" this kind of bullshxt, for the sake of gaining more followers.

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post Sep 19 2011, 11:54 PM

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Sep 19 2011, 10:12 PM)
You see what happen when religion are being twisted? Even believer don't bother about Karma.
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Actually I do bother about karma, just that I don't simply interpret how karma work, it's like trying to tell people how God look like, it will never be an accurate answer. The best way to get good karma is to be a good person and learn to control our own desire, nothing more!

So why some Buddhist keep saying this is karma that is karma as if they are better than Gauthama Buddha ? They either don't fully understand the concept of karma or as you said, they twisted Buddha word for their personal gain。

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post Sep 22 2011, 04:41 PM

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QUOTE(LuciferAmadeus @ Sep 21 2011, 07:17 PM)
I think I get what you mean. You mean it's something like account balance? As long as you do good more than bad, you will get positive net?

I think, it works in a different way. For the bad deeds, you will get bad returns parable to what you did bad. Your good deed does not negate your bad deed, but it goes the same vice versa i.e Your good deed will be returned proportionally to your good deed. It's like you have two accounts which one cannot compensate the other. Perhaps, even each deed (good or bad) might even be returned separately.

If you think you can bear with the consequence of the small bad deeds you did, than fine. But what if the bad deeds returned simultaneously that it become one life-changing negative event?

Btw, I'm not buddhist. So my understanding of karma might be wrong.
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I agree with you.
There is no such thing as "nett karma/cumulative karma", else you cant explain why everyone;s life have both good and bad experience, if your karma is according to merit point then everyone should either suffer for whole life/ live good for whole life.
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post Sep 23 2011, 11:36 AM

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QUOTE(3dassets @ Sep 22 2011, 10:45 PM)
Har? Like that might as well say Karma is luck, I have not read anything interesting, nothing unexpected, all abide to the same story line, boring lah.
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Some say luck, some say butterfly effect, some say Karma, it's just a matter of perception. If I tell you these 'luck' is actually an outcome of certain Butterfly Effect, which is predetermined, do you believe it?
If you treat Buddhism as a teaching, you'll be surprise that Gauthama Buddha able to come out with a theory that similar to chaos theory a.k.a Butterfly Effect.
For a series of event that happened, you can treat it as pre-determined or random, there's no way to disprove either one.

QUOTE(TheDoer @ Sep 23 2011, 10:35 AM)

Random here, refers to events that though had a cause, neither the cause nor the event itself had any meaning behind it. And we are not able to accurately perceive it's outcome due to the infinite number of prior events that will affect it's outcome.
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That's exactly my point, random could be pre-determine, just that we human still don't have the technology or knowledge to perceive it. However, you can simply say that is just a coincidence, or we able to change it.

For me, determinism or randomness is just two side of a same coin, as karma suggested - your life is affected by your previous karma, but you have the option to change it. The part where most people hard to believe is Reincarnation according to karma。

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