why not ?

week you know, announce it
Wednesday, students are aware, able to gather more support
the following, launch your support

u wasted at least a week before announcing it. Yup i have to agreed with you SRC screw up somewhere along the way

yes you still have not given me the info only 110xxx students are affected by the policies or others too ?

it is so hard to tell here ? it just yes or no =.=

you the president, of course i asked the leader than the students. The way you speak it sound like a sore loser

SRC know it before anyone, so it is wrong to explain to us here as well so we dont go blindly into the hall and not aware of what question to ask there ?

^ so any tips you can give about the policies ?

i asking the same question and no one is giving a definitive answer

aiyo.. i dont wnat hear so deep explanation.. just yes or no

YES OR NO

my question is which batch of students are affected by the policies ?

oh well i will just go to sleep.. tired of waiting

This post has been edited by vapeace: Nov 8 2010, 01:43 AM

so only SRC know...

So why he not giving the YES OR NO answer..

Here my question again
Only 110XXXXXX ID students are affected by the policies or others ID such as 108 OR 107 as well ? YES or no ?????

It a very clear cut question, only YES OR NO answer needed ! you been avoiding to answer it

aiyo why it is so hard to give yes or no ? i dont need deep explanation or there something deeper that until the president dare not reveal
this also remind me, from the beginning till now he never at least once tried to explain the policies. What are things so complicated till written words cant be understand ? you speak using words also

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Added on November 8, 2010, 2:05 amMr president, i just need you to give me assurance that only june 2010 onward students are affected since my yes or no Question is too hard for you to comprehend

This post has been edited by vapeace: Nov 8 2010, 02:05 AM

Seriously.. you have a sore loser attitude. I just mention we labeled those useless as noob. And yet if you consider yourself noob, then i have no say about it. You mistaken what i say and being emo about. Is this the attitude of a president ? I also can call SRC stupid retarded chicken here but i disallow myself from doing so to keep my image as professional not an immature kid emo about the new policies. You can check back my post if i have said such words ? You may think i dont deserve an answer but there are others who also want to know the answer not just me. You are being selfish toward me, which i dont mind but because of me you refused to give answer to mass public ? what is this ? are you a revengeful person ?

I asked a simple yes or no question and yet it is so hard for you to give a definite answer ? You avoid it and then turn around asking me to go find myself? If this is your real attitude, then there is no point even meeting you in person because you will just twist and turn the story. In the end, just giving false or confusing conclusion. I already got my answer, All batch of students are affected when i ask my faculty clerk

You heard me !!!!!!!

ALL BATCH OF STUDENTS ARE AFFECTED

this contradict your statement that only 110 id students are affected. Now dont tell me that the clerk is stupid or giving false info when i asked ?

I have also give false accusation as you claimed, but i dont see any effort by you to prove what i said is false. Or your think i will just let it go by and eventually forgotten about it ? Sorry to say, i not a very forgetful person. Till now every single time i forward a question, you will just reply "Thanks For your comment!" Yes, this is your answer to all my questions. Unbelievable, right ? Or you think i am a scumbag that not worth your ears ? You and I clearly know that there a few others people from MMU are watching this thread too but not replying. How could you ignore those others just because of me ? you are being selfish and thinking because only you hold the information and you can play people around and giving false hope

Thirdly, this really highlight your attitude of arrogance and ignorance. I have my seniors to ask ?


they graduated and i only mention they say SRC is useless and nothing regarding about the policies. They are not affected by it since they already graduated. Anyway, how would they know about the policies when they are busy working earning money and not in campus anymore ? Common sense dude. Regarding the senior within campus, they are also not very sure of the policies. Do you ever question why ? Because SRC never give a proper explanation to anyone including them. In fact, i think i know more about it than them.

That few sentence have already give me a good impression on who you are. Before this, i still maintain the impression that you are also a professional and will not let emotion affect your decision and statement. Those sentence just proved me wrong, you are clearly very emotional and revengeful individual

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Added on November 8, 2010, 2:20 pmNext i will try to prove my stand, Based on your own statement, i sound like a person who will label SRC as "stupid"

But i didn't, next i mention In engineering we label those 'USELESS" as "noob" and SRC have no letter N for me to insert the word noob
so did i directly say you and SRC noob ? i mention those useless are noob. If you think yourself again you are useless, i have no say about it

This post has been edited by vapeace: Nov 8 2010, 02:20 PM

i been asking and no defined answer was given. you can be right on that

This post has been edited by vapeace: Nov 8 2010, 02:45 PM

let me give a piece of what i have gathered from asking around

Fixed payment
Fixed payment will based on 5 or 6 subject per-sem depending on faculty. if you based on course structure, normally you will have to take 5 core subject on long sem, and 2 for short sem. So basically, it rough estimate you have to pay fixed payment around RM5300 on long sem and RM2500 on short sem, any extra subject like malaysian studies you will have to pay extra. It almost the same as current system where you pay on how many subject you take. But with the new system you have to pay the min of 5 subject regardless you take 4 or 3 subject those sem.

If you were to check your course structure at your faculty, the subject that was put in there for every sem is what the subject you have to pay

put in laymen term, it like 3g broadband package, you pay a certain amount of price for broadband data quote (3GB per month) and once you over that data limit ( >3GB), you pay extra for those additional data. I hope it laymen enough for you

the other info i asked was since you pay for those subject already, you dont have to pay again. For example, let say you fail Fluid Mechanics previous sem, but this sem you are offered Fluid Dynamics but you cannot take because pre-requisite subject is Fluid Mechanics which you fail. Fixed payment however consider you take Fluid Dynamics even though you never take. So when the time reached and you want to take Fluid Dynamics subject, you dont have to pay for it since you already did or so it seem. It indeed a very confusing system which i wonder why MMU so stupid to make their own life difficult when current system is working just fine.

So basically the policies will not affect students who pass or score all their subject. The only group that in the deep shit is when they failed one pre-requisite subject causing them unable to take the next subject next sem or unable to take at least 5 subject.
There a lot of loophole in that policy even when explained. It best to asked during the meeting

Refund Policy
next on the no refund policy. it basically to backed up the fixed payment policy. Since you are already force to pay 5 subject, then there no point to withdraw one of those subject because you already pay full due to the fixed payment.

MMU excuse for the no refund policy is because students like to simply drop the subject when near exam period or mid of the trimester. This caused MMU have to do recalculation on that student fee. Resulting is confusing calculation in payment system.

So to make their life easier and student harder, after 2nd week, you pay full even if you drop the subject or not. As you can see, it goes well with Fixed payment in getting money out of student pocket.

Fixed payment dictate you have to pay min 5 subject , no refund policy will force you to pay full of the extra subject you take. Example, you have to take 5 subject that sem, and you decided to take extra subject ( Japanese Language) to make it 6. Then suddenly half way, you cant cope with those 5 subject and you decide to drop Japanese to focus more time on that subject. No refund policy will force you to pay the Japanese subject even after you drop it. Mean you will pay for 6 subject that sem


7 subject per-sem


They say engineering faculty are not affected by it. The one affected is IT, Business & Management and possible LAW whichever course they consider non-professional. Dont ask me what course is professional and what not.. i also dunno Since Engineering is no affected as they claimed, i could not get much info about it

but what i can say it, you will get 1 or 2 month holiday because short sem there no more subject to take but you pay for it. RM2800 for 1 month holiday it seem. Great shit

Finance Policy
MMU say many students never pay full or partial pay their fee, this caused their account to every time unbalance, to make it easy.. Pay full, then just can sit for exam and view result

New way to get students pay their fees, Those under PTPTN and Scholar dont have to worry, your sponsor will pay full. Affected are only self sponsor students. And ya, students under sponsor like JPA, they only pay tuition fees. Those insurance fee, IT fees you oneself have to pay. Never pay, canot view result


why i am doing this shit ? arent this suppose to be the SRC president job ?
Oh ya... he emo with me dont want tell me

here something to be keep as reminder from your friendly neighbor, vapeace


so next time if the clerk say you are affected by such polices even you are not 110 id.. tell them it SRC president say we are not affected

This post has been edited by vapeace: Nov 8 2010, 04:47 PM

Let me try to explain. My information is second hand mean it pass from management to someone then to me. If you want real up to date info, then you can ask our beloved emo-ing president. Which who know missing where. However best source is during the meeting

Fixed payment

The 5 subject min per-long sem and 2 per-short sem serve just as a basic guideline for MMU to implement how much to charge student on that particular sem. For example, if one whole trimester year for that course is RM15000 and 12 subject in total, so MMU will charge students a fix payment of RM6000, rm6000 for long sem (5 subject) and finally rm3000 for short sem (2 subject) giving a total of RM15K and 12 subject

The system is very confusing even lecturer i asked have a hard time trying to understand them before. But this how it work. Based on the case of sayuri_chan

No they wont reduce your fee. Even after technically you pay for them in previous sem. This is the basic idea how it work

You still have two years remaining and let say that two years will cost you RM30K and a total of 24 subject. Based on Fixed payment policies.. you will be paying RM 6000, RM6000, RM2000 ( Long, Long, Short) for 1 year for ( 5, 5, 2)12 subject and RM 6000, RM6000, RM2000 ( Long, Long, Short) for another year for another 12 subject (5, 5 , 2). making a total of RM30K and 24 subject within 2 years.
When they say you dont have to pay for the same subject again is that. Let say you extend another year because you fail one or two subject and you is pushed back one whole sem. That sem you dont have to pay anything because that subject is already paid previously. I demonstrate to you



so this is how the system work. Very complicated compared to current system pay on how many subject you take. The total payment in the end of the day is the same
Your Mechanical degree course cost a total of RM80K, with current system and fixed payment policies, you still be paying a total of RM80K ( No extra or discount)

This how it will should look like in format

How retake subject going to be counted is ( This sem your fixed payment of rm6000, plus the retake subject (RM1200), so that particular sem you have to pay RM7200)
Those extra subject like Japanese, Malaysian Studies, Technical Communication etc etc will be added like how above

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Added on November 9, 2010, 12:02 amRefund Policy

it the same on my previous post.

Like i say it to backup Fixed payment policy, You pay whatever you take, regardless you use it or not

7 subject per-sem


i still not very sure about it, 7 subject per-sem and Fixed payment policies contradict each others. Maybe this how it will be counted

unlike ( 5, 5, 2) calculation, MMU will use (7, 7, 0) for long, long, short trimester
so rather than paying RM6000, RM6000, RM3000, you will be paying RM7500, RM7500, RM0 (Notes, those payment are just for core subject, not extra subject)

RM0 is for short sem, Extra subject can be taken on short sem and charged accordingly

However, i just got news from assistant lecturer, that maybe even FET and FOE will be affected by it not just FIT or others. Unconfirmed yet
But chances are slim i presume because, Board of Engineer does give a limit how many subject students is able to take and If students are unhappy, they can call them and complain about it

Finance Policy
look at my previous post

If there no subject next semester, you can take those extra subject like Malaysian studies. It best to ask your faculty as i from a different faculty than yours. Sorry, not that i dont want answer, it i dunno how to answer you as you and me not the same course

Wther if you are affected or not, go spam the president inbox and ask him about it. He being selfish keeping the info for himself. His reason? He emo with me, so by refusing to answer me, mean he also refusing to answer mass public My info tell all are affected by the new policies. but SRC is different

Btw if you are affected
Take the screen shot i posted, go to your faculty and say " SRC president say only 110 id students are affected !"

This post has been edited by vapeace: Nov 9 2010, 12:02 AM

so it took 3 days of constant argument and flaming, just to get you to answer the questions with a few lines ?
it worn me out for 3 days, do you know that ? Penat tau asking lecturer and people around for every tiny bits of info.

I am too tired to argue now anyway, i just have few last question for the day

Does those fixed payment include those extra subject such as Japanese Language or Tech Comp or Moral Studies which you can take anytime within your 3 years?

my info told me, Fixed payment only count those core subject not extra. Therefore, the usage of refund policy is to cover that extra subject

How retake subject are going to be counted ?

Again,my info it will counted like extra subject

Old students, use old policies., so We still follow the 20% bla bla instead of the 100% no refund after two week ?

last but not least

what took you so long to answer?

sound very suspicious

then i wont, just to say i know him/her because my frend know him/her

anyway, got class on Thursday 4 to 7pm, anyone could help me inform about the meeting progress ?

This post has been edited by vapeace: Nov 9 2010, 12:55 AM

my retake is on if i fail that subject and i fail supp-exam again.. i have to retake that subject next sem. So it free as you said?

If based on yours retake, mean i can drop a particular subject if i not confident i can pass, then retake it on other sem for free within that 4 years ?

he mean that like that the extended sem i mentioned, it free.. It the time frame for you to recover those subject you missed up

however, i also heard something about paying extra after the extended sem but didnt mention it as i dunno what it mean. As now he mean that the 30% might be if you are unable to finish that two subject within a sem. Let say you fail that 2 subject and you have to retake it another sem , MMU might charge you 30% for it

i also mention the policies wont be much of a problem to normal average students. So now pass or fail is very important if you dont want face such problem in the future

7 subject applies to FIT and others, except FET and FOE. According to SRC, those extra subject is counted in together in the fixed payment, so you will be paying those extra subject regardless you take it or not. It a good idea to count those separately though.. so students wont confuse as much as now

Nope i wont say it a good bug, it a very bad bug
students think they can outsmart the system but there potential to backfire but they might fail to realized that the subject is offered only one per trimester year, so you drop it, you could only retake it a year later. That mean u accidentally make yourself extend one year later. As fixed payments dictate that one sem is free, the other two you have to pay 30% even you never take anything

then again i stress that students will just have to make sure they dont fail or at least pass to avoid complication

by extra subject i mean those elective, non-core subject subject like Malaysian Studies or Moral or mini project

SRC say the fixed payment affected only 110 students and beyond like 111 or 112

But it also quite logical to start from there because those students are yet to take any extra subject i presumed. If it were to affect us, MMU will have a hell of a time calculating everyone of us. Because, most of us took those extra subject earlier. Like me i took my Tech Comp during beta year instead of Delta, my group is the most junior in a class of gamma and delta students. Since i already taken it and MMU cannot charge me double as i already paid for it, how can they charge me again when i already finish it ?

free one extend sem mean you have 3 months to finish those subject you have yet to complete in your entire degree program before you graduate. However, if the subject is not offered in the extended sem or you have to wait beyond the 3 month period, then you have to wait for the next which you have to pay 30% of the fixed payment and so on.... So now src is asking for 2 free extended sem in total of 6 months

if you engineering, i think it best to take max 5 only, dont go for 6 if can.. last sem i took 6. my cgpa drop to 3.65 (previous 3.71)(cilaka only 0.02 for 1st class and dean list )
Gpa worse drop to 3.47 straight from previous 3.7

because cannot cope, just too hard and with "good" lecturer like Zahi dunno sing what song infront. I notice as i go for delta and epsilon year, the "good" lecturer keep coming more and more