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Science Will the Terminator-style doomsday ever happen?, A question about AI & robotics

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post May 19 2010, 12:53 AM

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So far whatever or how high self-awareness of AI, it cannot beat human brain.

Because the self-awareness of AI is built based upon information received then process the information, and react to the information received based on the pre-set, programme or whatever AI built in, aka no matter how high flexibility of the AI and self-awareness, it cannot beat human factor of creativity and flexibility. After all, it is the human brain create the AI. biggrin.gif

Aka whatever AI is rigid based on programme and logarithms set, while human is not.
While human factor has creativity, can always have new constant input for self-improvement etc.

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post May 21 2010, 04:50 PM

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QUOTE(Darkripper @ May 21 2010, 03:19 AM)
i knw its sarcasm, but still progression in robots nwadays is very fast , maybe it will be twice and thrice faster, we dont need AI that is like in terminator, but what if a person ( lets assume he is mad scientist) manage to create robot that is programmed to kill anyone he order?  wouldn't it be like terminator?  still there is a long way to come =D

Btw, i think there is no need to worry much about robot, for us human to survive the next 100 years is a big problem. Just look at how bad planet earth is destroyed by ourselves....
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Progress in AI and selfwareness of robot is very slow actually.
It is not easy to mimick human brain function. Nature is actually very amazing, they are self adjusted, self created. Even with current modern technology, human still don't fully understand how human brain work.
The most amazing part is that, when you injured, your tissue, bone is self repairing, it is never going to be achieved with AI robot, be is self-awareness or not.

QUOTE(robertngo @ May 21 2010, 09:43 AM)
all machine now do exactly what they are told and only what they are told, the next step is to have machine that can learn to do things on their own.
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This is the difficult part, so far the progress is not moving much in this direction.

I would say, please stop using terminator, movie as a source of discussion. This is not happening in reality. This is no such thing of indestructable machine. Even there is, you just need to get rid of their power source/electricity then shut down already, or injected virus programme into them, AI system goes hair wired already. They cannot self repairing their programme.
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post May 22 2010, 02:45 PM

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QUOTE(Beastboy @ May 21 2010, 06:24 PM)
No way! Hahaha  laugh.gif


Added on May 21, 2010, 6:28 pm
Eh? Since nobody had ever seen an alien except in Aliens movie, would you also tell NASA to stop spending billions on the SETI program?
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No, it is not the message.

Just movie and reality is 2 different story.

In movie, you can have indestructible body in terminator, in reality is not.
In movie, someone fast enough can catch the bullet, in reality, it is not. Even mythbuster also show this myth before.
In movie, a person get shot, still can run as fast as 100M spring, fight with others, in reality, the pain is severely enough even standup also cannot.

Also in theory, many thing looks simple, want this want that,
in reality when come hand on, electric-mechanical time, or application, it could be hell a problem to solve.

Just like you want to design a robot that can walk on its own with 2 feet in an uneven ground or going up stepcase.
In theory, it is simple, just put gyroscope, sensor as input to compensate the uneven ground so that the robot can compensate the force/movement based on the uneven ground scan.
But in practical, it is hell of problem to solve when put up to work time.
It could be much difficult than to workout an airplace that can fly.
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post May 23 2010, 09:48 AM

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QUOTE(Beastboy @ May 22 2010, 06:48 PM)
Yes, I know, and thanks for stating your stand. If you had read the original post title carefully, could you kindly point to me where did it say "Shall we discuss how the Terminator will kill us all, just like the movie?" It said, "Will the Terminator-style doomsday ever happen?" Do you know the difference? In English, style means, "In the manner of", not to be confused with "This is the real thing."

Now I notice you are a moderator and assume you have placed this prohibition officially as a moderator. If yes, then please delete this thread in its entirety and modify your TOS to include "You are not allowed to make reference to any movies that the moderators feel is not "real" in any threads in Lowyat.net." If you do decide to let this thread continue, then please withdraw your prohibition. Thanks.
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The discussion about is good, just this is a science topic discussion, what my intention is just we don't way out of reality.
Imagination is good, as imagination lead to creativity which is source of new invention, but we have to know the reality and limitation of physic and science as well.

Just like one may dream about becoming millionaire, but still need discussion/thinking of how to become then.

I still see it a good discussion thread so far, nothing wrong with the topic, just don't go too far away from reality.
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