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highwind85
post Jun 6 2010, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(happy_pink @ Jun 6 2010, 11:28 AM)
i saw most uni offer phd in science

means wat?
public uni also
no uni offer phd in biotech or biochem
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That is the title only...UKM does offer PhD (Biochemistry)..But what's more important is the project you worked on...
When you go for interview, people will ask you to elaborate in length what did you work on...
Have in mind that PhD is structureless and there are no lectures..
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post Jun 6 2010, 12:04 PM

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QUOTE(happy_pink @ Jun 6 2010, 11:49 AM)
means after u enter only u choose to do your projects in certain field?
wow
good

so u have to discover somethings or create somethings?
very interesting  nod.gif
but i think quite hard
need a bit of luck
and a LOT OF HARDWORK

normally the duration is 3 years right?
y i saw some in us can finish phd in 1 or 2 years?
need to attend conference?
publish idea in journals?
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Usually, one will look for a prospective supervisor 1st...discuss with him/her what's the project about
If the supervisor agrees to take you, the next thing should be lodge an application for the PhD and look for scholarships
In this way, you would already know which area you are going to research in..

yeah...lots of hardwork, a little bit of luck and creativity..but sometimes if the findings deviate from your expectation, it's not that bad either..
Minimum duration is 3 years, but for bio grads, hardly possible to make it in 3 years..mostly 3.5 years at my place, and 5 years in UKM...I don't know in anyway one can finish PhD in 1-2 years..
Conference and publications are very much encouraged...but again you need to secure money for conference..sometimes lecturers are willing to sponsor you..sometimes not..
Nah..i've just started my PhD 3 months ago..
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post Jun 6 2010, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(happy_pink @ Jun 6 2010, 10:06 PM)
so long?
then i will be an old aunt. doh.gif
u in wat field?
u work a few years only continue or juv stright away study?
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I worked as RA at UKM for 1.5 years before i went to ANU for my PhD...Originally decided to do my PhD in UKM..but half way thru, i decided to give it a shot to apply overseas...
I have a biochemistry BSc..Now doing PhD in protein engineering and crystallography..
To be frank, career for a PhD holder will only stabilize in your 30s...if you decide to go for it, you'll have to brace yourself for that..PhD is not for the faint of heart..
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post Jun 7 2010, 08:11 AM

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QUOTE(happy_pink @ Jun 7 2010, 02:21 AM)
actually y u wanna do phd?
is malaysia lack of phd?
r u working now like part time?
get scholarship?
next time u wan work as wat?
u must be very good lo
first class honour from bsc to phd

is biochem your choice?
actually many of my friends don know wat to choose
is like choosing the course u really like or for the job prospects
we r afraid of choosing somethings we lke but hard to get job in the future
there is a huge difference between dream and reality  cry.gif
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Instead of asking others why they wanna do their PhD, why don't you ask yourself do you really want a PhD..
If you're unsure, you can always work as a RA while find out whether you like the work or not..Often we hear than PhD candidates lost their passion halfway through their project....There is no rush as taking PhD is 1 big decision that can change our life..
I'm not working now..I'm on scholarship..No one is willing to do PhD overseas without a scholarship..hefty fees and mediocre salary after graduate...But the life is more or less like working...
How do you define good job prospect? PhD is as you see it..Academic or research career...unless you wanna venture into sales after PhD..And like every other job, you need to be good in order to get employed..
Do not expect very high salary upon graduation...RM10k salary before 35 y/o is not very likely..
There's a whole world out there...do not limit yourself in Malaysia only..if you choose PhD, be prepared to work in overseas next time..
Biochem was my 1st choice when i applied for university..

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post Jun 7 2010, 12:15 PM

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QUOTE(OMG! @ Jun 7 2010, 11:01 AM)
i agree with mostly what u have mentioned there, esp the bold statement.=)
Doing Phd is not an easy and simple task, it need a lots of passions and hardwork,a dn more importantly ur passion on research.
I believe you do have a deep interest in the research on protein fields, so only u choose to do protein engineering.
I have a foreign professor in my university who did a good and high quality research on proteins, i still remember when one of my seniors,who do not have any little ideas on how to differentiates and understand about the various protein structures, the prof can figure out and explain in a more detailed way and patiently drew out 3 dimensional description of proteins in order to boost the understanding.
He has indeed shown his deep interest in this field.

Biochem is a very general degree indeed, lots of postgrads programme u can do after the degree. =D
I would somehow have in my mind that i will venture into emzymology in near future.=)
Would you mind to mention the scholarships that u currently attached to? In what sense do you feel that Phd is more like working ?

Another thing which i would like to add on is, Phd does not limit you only to research university or lab, it is more than what u could think of, if u r an expert in a certain field, do google out what the field emcompass, look for the prospects in the field.for perhaps a consultant in a factory and other working settings, like a food and nutrition centres are also in the scope.
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To avoid confusion, need to clarify a bit here, most of the opinions i've given here are based on my observation in my field, i.e. bio related field and mayb chemistry..
To me, PhD (again research lab based) are more like working...have to be in the lab minimum 9-5pm, 5days a week..
That's the general rule of thumb..it's ok not to follow strictly to the 9-5pm rule occasionally as you may have errands to run..but supervisors expect you to work beyond the 9-5pm a day, 5 days a week concept...As opposed to economics or arts based PhD students, they have flexibility in terms of study time..
I'm on ANU PhD Scholarship offered by Australian National University..

Enzymology...that's a good 1...in which aspect? reaction mechanism, kinetics?
In malaysia, a lot of stuffs are still lagging behind, so it is up to you...whether you wanna venture into foreign land and bring back the knowledge and expertise and contribute back to the development of malaysian biotech scene..Most of the PhD grads i met during my RA-ship are now working in UK, Sweden, US...

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post Jun 7 2010, 01:53 PM

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QUOTE(VMSmith @ Jun 7 2010, 01:03 PM)
Thank Deus I'm not in your field / uni! I've have been given the boot a long time ago if this was a case. And so would a lot of my PhD. colleagues.
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Haha...that's why i say this is limited to people who are doing research in the lab..
both my supervisors in UKM and ANU expect students to be at work latest 9am...they expect you to come during weekends as well..not so much different from working...

QUOTE(happy_pink @ Jun 7 2010, 01:26 PM)
the scholarship is quite hard to get
how u apply?
how they judge?
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For this scholarship, they judge you based on your credentials, ie academic results, recommendation letters from your referees..there is no interview..
there are a lot of prestigious scholarships for postgraduate which do not require interview..like Commonwealth Scholarship and Endeavour Scholarship..
Purely based on academic excellence, recommendation letters, and essays you write..

1st step (Research Mode for bio..i'm not sure about others) is to approach a prospective supervisor..if he/she decides to take you, application to the university isn't much a problem..after that apply for scholarship using the offer letter you've obtained..
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post Jun 8 2010, 08:28 AM

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QUOTE(rocket_jet @ Jun 7 2010, 11:48 PM)
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BSC? what is that?
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post Jun 8 2010, 11:43 AM

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QUOTE(bgeh @ Jun 8 2010, 10:28 AM)
Not very true. It depends on which system you're doing your PhD in. The American system for example, is more akin to a structured course in the first 1-2 years (with exams that you have to pass and all), and then becomes a lectureless/structureless system, after you've chosen a supervisor and stuff (Typically you apply to a department, and then you only get the research supervisor after 1-2 years). This does mean that the typical length for a PhD there is about 5 years (Princeton is an exception, their PhDs last 4 years), compared to the British system (which I'm more familiar with) where PhD courses last 3 - 3.5 (if you're lucky, 4) years (3 for research + 1/2 year for preparation of the thesis), due to funding constraints. The British system is similar to what's being described above, where you pre-choose your supervisor before undertaking the PhD program.

Typically knowing when you have enough original material to compile a PhD thesis will be a matter of discussion between you and your supervisor, and you have to go through a defence (viva), where you'll either get a PhD, or be told that you have to do a rewrite and come back for another defence, or if it's not good enough, they might just award you a MPhil instead of a PhD. This is not a mere formality, it does happen.
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Yeah...great explanation..US PhD can take up to 7 years to complete due to the coursework component..
There are also some UK universities that started PhD with coursework prior to research work..PhDs like this takes longer time to complete..
The downgrade of PhD to MPhil also differs from place to place..At my place (Aus), candidate is advised to convert to MPhil halfway through the candidature if the progress is not of satisfactory..

@scarface: i believe this would help you understand the different PhD systems around the world...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phd


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post Jun 8 2010, 02:29 PM

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QUOTE(exsaga @ Jun 8 2010, 12:26 PM)
and to add, phd candidate is required to published their research finding in cited journal publishers.

in UPM for example, there are Graduate Research Fellowship (GRF) awards to the selected PhD candidates, monthly allowance about RM2.5k is not mistaken plus summore other allowances for local people.

but in return, UPM expected the candidate to publish at least 2 cited papers.
and bear in mind that it is worthy to own several journals when defensing your thesis during viva.

and when u graduated, u will obtain a cool 'Dr.' title in front of your name that make people 'wow' at you.  smile.gif
Germany engineering PhD will obtain more cool additional title, "Dr. Ing."
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RM2.5k is high..but bear in mind not all pay that well for PhD candidates..

NSF pays rm2.3k, USM fellowship around Rm2.1k with yearly increment, and UKM rm1.6k if BSc qualification or rm1.8k MSc qualification (subject to Supervisor's research grant)..

And not all universities require the findings to be published..but it is very encouraged that PhD students publish their findings as this will boost your CV..
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post Jun 8 2010, 04:57 PM

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QUOTE(VMSmith @ Jun 8 2010, 02:38 PM)
Regarding viva, is there any uni. out there which DOESN'T practise it? Cause over here in Monash, we don't.
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I think none in ANU as well...maybe it's australian system?
There is a final seminar presentation..but i doubt it can be regarded as viva because the thesis draft isn't submitted at this point and examiners haven't really gone through your project in detail..
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post Jun 9 2010, 01:06 PM

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QUOTE(exsaga @ Jun 9 2010, 12:55 PM)
i do think that is Australian system.
my concern is, is there no question arises since the thesis wasnt went through examination, defending, etc etc

and i also heard that some of the Japanese PhD studentship doesnt require to come up with any nobellity values? somebody can explain?
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The thesis will go thru examination..after the final seminar@ oral presentation..it's an open seminar, so be prepared for questions also...just that it isn't as vigourous as an actual viva...
examiners will go through the thesis and you'll have to do correction when they return it to you...
You may have to do some correction to the drafts @ redo some experiments...
Hmm..that's rare...don't have to have novelty?
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post Jun 13 2010, 10:38 PM

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Increasing numbers of PhD alone wouldn't be sufficient...they would end up in other countries as well if there isn't much opportunities in malaysia, or the salary are pathetically low..
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post Jun 15 2010, 01:19 PM

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QUOTE(kokakopi @ Jun 15 2010, 10:04 AM)
as for me, having a PHD doesnt mean u are good enough... old folks always think that by having master or phd, u will become someone that are better than others... what make u think like that???

yes u are better than others..  but, only on the fields that u are in... if u have a PHD in banking & finance, it wouldnt make u answer each and every question on the other fields such as religious, sports or even science...

if i were given a chance to further my study up until the PHD, its because i wanted to be an expert on that fields and makes something that have a big impact on human being & earth.... thumbup.gif
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+1..
Masters and PhDs are human...not the almighty walking wikipedia...
but Masters and PhDs should live up to their title..such as PhD with BSc Chemistry should have strong fundamentals in chemistry and should be able to answer basic questions..
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post Jun 22 2010, 08:18 AM

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QUOTE(happy_pink @ Jun 21 2010, 06:50 PM)
your degree is biochem can your phd be physiology/anatomy/pharmacology?
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Pharmacology yes....pharmacology is part of biochemistry...not so sure about anatomy and physiology though..
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post Jun 24 2010, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(xenotzu @ Jun 23 2010, 07:34 PM)
By academic convention, only MD (medical doctors) are allowed to use Doctor before their name.  Phd holders are not suppose to use the word Doctor before their names.  Even Mahatir knew this and told NST during an interview prior to his retirement when asked about bogus Phds in Malaysia.  Go to any reputable university and call a Phd holder a Doctor and listen to him quickly tell you about the convention.  Of course, if its not a reputable university or someone who desperately wants to show off his Phd (real or bogus), then you find out the wannabes.


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Added on June 23, 2010, 7:45 pmTo Highwind85, interesting to hear that you started a phd in biochem.  If I were you, once you finish, look overseas for work and opportunities.  Malaysia is still a ulu place for science research and industry.  My brother in law had his phd from Imperial/Cambridge as it was a joint effort between the universities for his phd.  He's a professor in NUS now and informs me that when it comes to many areas of science research, Malaysia does not publish enough papers internationally or is gearing its efforts to capitalise on science.  Singapore does and is classed as developed world standard for such research and industry.  Join the Brain Drain!
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PhD holder can put the title depending on where they are going and it's their preference...Westerners wants students to call them by their 1st name..But doing so, it's more humble and friendlier..Still, they will use the title for official purposes...On the other hand, academics in malaysia prefer students to address them with the correct title...Dr, Assoc Prof and Prof...even my previous supervisor (senior lecturer) address his colleague as Prof...so it's the culture i guess..

And yeah...one of the reasons why malaysia has less publications is because PhD holder work as lecturers directly after graduation, whereas PhD holders cannot work as lecturers yet in more developed countries...they have to undertake 1 or 2 postdoc positions 1st before starting their own research group...Post docs are almost non-existent in Malaysia except a few institutes...
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QUOTE(Sweet_Candy @ Mar 16 2011, 04:57 AM)
Sth to share, I am a 2nd year phd student in UK and one of my phd colleague over here is an assist. professor (i.e Prof. Madya) in the Malaysia. Am appalled that you don't need to have a phd to become a professor/ assistant prof in Malaysia.
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Assistant professor is assistant professor...prof madya is Associate Professor...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_academic_ranks

 

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