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highwind85
post May 21 2010, 04:02 PM

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QUOTE(communist892003 @ May 20 2010, 01:33 PM)
I got few America friends who did PHD without undergo Degree.
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Not applicable for all fields i guess..There are research on science, political science and etc....you'll need basic knowledge and techniques from your degree if you are to do research in science..


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QUOTE(Darkripper @ May 20 2010, 12:49 PM)
Just wondering.... to get PHD we need to do research and show our findings right? what if one guy research and get nth interesting, would he be able to get PHD?
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Every outcome is a a finding yo..even if it deviates from you initial hypothesis, it is still a finding..

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post May 21 2010, 04:08 PM

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QUOTE(OMG! @ May 21 2010, 03:43 PM)
Totally agree!!! rclxms.gif

do u know why those that have Phd but worst in teaching? i really wonder why they have the capabilites to achieve the highest qualifications but cannot show the capabilites in delivering the lecture. that is the most pathetic facts!=(

Normally Phd takes years of time to study, 3 years should be the minimum. my friends are going for Phd, her main reason is she loves teaching.she wants to be a scientist who can give inspirations to the many undergrds students.sound great right? lol.
besides Study for Phd, which i believe the time is quite flexible, she work part time by giving tuition just because she has the passion for it.
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hold your horses bro..not everyone is good at giving lecture..Some people are brilliant in research...asking the correct question and addressing them with their research..and hence findings that would answer that said question..Human has strengths and weaknesses..Not all PhD will end up as academicians in the end..
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post May 21 2010, 04:13 PM

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QUOTE(arthurlwf @ May 21 2010, 04:04 PM)
Does anybody have any PhD holder comparison information between Malaysia and advance country (e.g. US, UK, Japan, German,etc)???
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Hmm..That would really depends..If you're talking about science, then i would depend on the quality of the supervisor, equipments, support staff and etc...
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post May 21 2010, 04:51 PM

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QUOTE(VMSmith @ May 21 2010, 04:22 PM)
Only anecdotal evidence. About as valid as people saying there's too many graduate degree holders.
Edit: Okay, because I HAD to google it up...

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-...neer-jobs_N.htm

http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=56573
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That's only in US and other developed countries...Imagine this..US has thousands of universities..they produce countless PhDs per year..and PhDs all over the world go to US to work as Post-Docs...so now, how many faculty positions can US offer?


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QUOTE(arthurlwf @ May 21 2010, 04:18 PM)
It seems most PhD holder in advance country produces a lot of new research articles... But hardly/almost zero to hear PhD holder in Malaysia produce significant research result.
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This is because advanced universities have more research grants, can employ a strong support group..Let me give you an example..If you research work involves statistical analysis..Excellent universities have Statistical Unit to help students and staffs to aid them in their experimental design..Local students have to scratch their head, figure out on it's own...

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post May 21 2010, 05:05 PM

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QUOTE(VMSmith @ May 21 2010, 04:56 PM)
You didn't bother reading my links, right? There's a lack of jobs available for PhD holders there.

Or maybe you want something closer to home?

http://skorcareer.com.my/blog/phd-holder-n...ver/2009/08/29/
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I'm talking about at home..aka Malaysia..the bolehland..Singapore is known to be very competitive in research..
This is because they do not mind hiring the best minds from abroad..There are alot of China Chinese working in singapore as Post-Docs..
Yeah..lack of job because the numbers of universities are high..thus creating a lot of PhDs in the process..The a lot of PhD from abroad will look for Post-docs positions in the US...So there are really a lot of PhDs there..It's not a surprise if there's a lack of job...Besides PhD is very specific..You can't work in any PhD vacancies just because you have a PhD..


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post May 21 2010, 05:21 PM

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QUOTE(VMSmith @ May 21 2010, 05:11 PM)
Ah. Why didn't you say so earlier then?

Nope, no evidence to support that. Purely anecdotal.
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Haha...yeah..didn't make myself clear enough before i edit the post..
I'm not suggesting that we should go to developing countries to work but in countries like indonesia, one can become lecturer by just having a masters degree in a science field..So i would say that they require more PhD holders in their country..

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post May 21 2010, 05:34 PM

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QUOTE(VMSmith @ May 21 2010, 05:29 PM)
No arguments here. There's actually still a few (private) tertiary education-level institutes here which accept Masters degrees for a lecturing post, but the rate in which private unis are upping the requirement to PhD. level is getting faster.
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Yeah..this is a good sign..but then again, only large private institutions can afford that...not to say that other institutions cannot afford PhD holders, but the facilities the university can provide them to start a research group is limited if compared to public institutions..This would make it less attractive..
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post May 31 2010, 01:31 AM

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QUOTE(ComposMentis @ May 28 2010, 02:12 PM)
but i don't think many people would do that  hmm.gif
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But definitely not because of money...it's faster if you join banking or sales..
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post May 31 2010, 12:08 PM

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Trust me...if you're in for the money, you better look elsewhere...Average PhD holder start working as lecturer in the last 20s or early 30s...Starting pay is around Rm4.5k excluding allowance..by this time, other people who work earlier can achieve rm5k easily...as they have 5-6 years of experience..and not everyone can reach the peak of an academic career...not everyone can attain professorship..and if you're climbing the corporate ladder, they would have chosen MBA rather than PhD...
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post Jun 1 2010, 09:47 AM

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QUOTE(exsaga @ Jun 1 2010, 02:23 AM)
i would say getting a PhD as a ticket for respectful life.
while the research work during PhD studentship is just a beginning towards later professorial stage.
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Well said... rclxms.gif
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post Jun 2 2010, 11:13 AM

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QUOTE(Beastboy @ Jun 2 2010, 10:34 AM)
PhDs can get work if they're not picky. Here's a PhD from Standford who got booted from his job and ended up as a Singapore taxi driver.

http://taxidiary.blogspot.com/
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This type of case can happen to anyone..not only PhD holders..such as company management taken over by someone, CEO, MD told to pack and go...happens all the time..
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post Jun 3 2010, 10:44 PM

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QUOTE(happy_pink @ Jun 3 2010, 10:09 PM)
if my degree is biotech
my master or phd must be in biotech also?
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No..of course not..Science is an interdisciplinary field...
but having the relevant skills and background would help you persuade prospective supervisors to take you..
It's not so crucial though..
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post Jun 4 2010, 10:53 AM

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QUOTE(corad @ Jun 4 2010, 06:22 AM)
I would say it depends on what you're looking for. getting a PHD gives you really good exposure to research, at the expense of finances, generally speaking.

so if you're really into what you're studying, and can't think of doing anything else ... by all means get a PHD. but if you're hoping to get that BMW M6 before you're 25 ... better off start getting a job 1st smile.gif
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Couldn't say it better myself..Career as an academic will only stabilize in the 30s...

QUOTE(dotcom @ Jun 4 2010, 10:45 AM)
No point you get a PhD on younger age as you had no working experience and it's a useless
why you wan to get
P-ermanent
h-ead
D-amage

would suggest you to get a job...get more pro cert and when matured enough with your working experience then u go get ur P-h-D
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depends on what field you're in...if you are in biology or chemistry field, undergraduate knows too little to apply it in R & D..

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post Jun 4 2010, 04:40 PM

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QUOTE(happy_pink @ Jun 4 2010, 02:00 PM)
so my phd can be in chemistry or bio?
anyone studying phd right now?

does malaysia lack of phd or lecturers in bio and che field?
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Let me put it this way...there are intersections between chemistry and biology..
If you have a degree in pure chemistry, it's not very possible to study ecology or bio diversity for PhD..
But if you have a degree in organic chemistry or food science, it's possible to study molecular biology or biochemistry for your PhD..
The difference must not be too extreme..
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post Jun 4 2010, 09:26 PM

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Depends on what your interest is...it is too difficult to tell you what you can do PhD in what field..Any subjects or course that attracted your attention?
Biotech grads can do PhD in biochem, molecularbiology, tissue culture, transgenic organisms etc etc...
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post Jun 4 2010, 11:02 PM

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QUOTE(corad @ Jun 4 2010, 10:47 PM)
if you're even asking this question, i don't think you should get a PHD for your subject.

hard work is not enough to grant you one. there must be interest ...and alot of it ! if you've ever wished you never took biotech , then sorry to say you'll probably drop out of the PHD program due to it being "hard" , "boring" or "irrevelant" .
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Second that...PhD is not like Masters..It's not like "i don't what to do after graduation...maybe i should do a PhD before i decide"
You should be very clear before you take up PhD..
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QUOTE(f4tE @ Jun 4 2010, 11:15 PM)
master and phd also same only ma.. phd just an extension of masters. You're still doing research project. No changes only the title
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That a wrong perception...after PhD you're an expert of the field you're in...you'll see PhD holder giving comments and consultation but not masters..
Once you've chosen your specialization, there's no turning back..

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post Jun 5 2010, 07:33 PM

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QUOTE(happy_pink @ Jun 5 2010, 06:49 PM)
ok first of all
i choose biotech because i like genetics, research.
but in malaysia this field is not very developed
so will be difficult to get job and go for far
and i searched internet
in usa, almost 40% of biotechnologists are phd holders
it means u cant go very far with your degree 
u really need to be expert on the field u going to research
i cant deny that i got a bit regret choosing biotech because of the job prospects in malaysia
but in term of course, things that i going to be study, i really like it
plus i love teaching
so my aim is to become a lecturer
so that i can research and teach
and most ipta and ipts in malaysia require the lecturers to have phd
actually does malaysia lack of bio or che phd?
can give some advice ?
thanks
correct me if i am wrong smile.gif
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It depends on your personally...the biotech arena in malaysia is still at its infancy...most biotech companies are very small..
This is a growing stage...if you ask me how fast is biotech growing? i would say it is quite slow..people are not so willing pumping in money for research..
So it depends on whether are you willing to be part of the biotech development or not?
if you are willing, you can try to get a PhD and subsequently work as postdocs in overseas for a few years before coming back with valuable experience to expand the biotech field here..
But then again, sometimes people tend to stay at overseas due to numerous factors..

Being a lecturer is not only about teaching and lecturing is not the only path for biotech PhD grads..you need to be clear about that 1st.. smile.gif
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post Jun 6 2010, 12:01 AM

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QUOTE(den @ Jun 5 2010, 09:53 PM)
do you guys mean that after master's degree... one can still opt to specialize in other field for phd?  tongue.gif

if someone who has M. Eng Telecommunication (more on networking), can he opt to do PhD in ICT?  tongue.gif
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PhD is quite specific...Like if you do Masters in Enzymology, you could still do your PhD in Protein Engineering...
You can change focus but not exactly from one field to a very different field..as you need the background for PhD..
But once you've completed you PhD, it's not possible to change anymore...people will regard you as an expert in protein engineering..

More examples are degree in chemistry or biochemistry can do masters in research related to pharmacy, degree in microbiology doing research in food science...they are different by related..

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post Jun 6 2010, 10:49 AM

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QUOTE(den @ Jun 6 2010, 08:45 AM)
Thanks.

I think Telecommunication (incl some networking modules like  network management, network security, mobile communication, network switching and design etc) is somehow related to ICT, right?  sweat.gif
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If it's related, yeah....
I have a lecturer with BSc and MSc in mathematics and PhD in Marine Science..
This is because he derived some formula and used it to write a software to do with marine science...

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