Just wondering.... to get PHD we need to do research and show our findings right? what if one guy research and get nth interesting, would he be able to get PHD?

I got few America friends who did PHD without undergo Degree. PhD is all about research. Is not like u take a book and keep studying. It is about discovery dude. So treating this degree, master or PhD is not about lvling yourselves in online game. It would be so stupid to even think of it that way

I heard of some VIPs who get a PhD without any study at all.

The question we need to ask, Do we need to learn how to have sex before having sex?? Could i skipped all this stupid procedure and just get the things done??

I am so good in computing that i am better than some of the degree students in computing. SO basically do i need to get a computing degree?? Or i should just skip it and go for master??

People committed to education and fanatic about it by assuming they do know had talent, they were not as good as bill gate and so now. Artificial talent

This post has been edited by communist892003: May 20 2010, 02:27 PM

Yes. You need to do research and show your findings.

Getting "nth interesting" is not much of an issue, actually. The end result isn't so important so much as your ability to justify how and why you do certain things during your research. Of course, everyone wants "good results", but if all research came out with only "good results", we'd be able to launch a rocket to Mars with a single drop of water. Or find a cure to politicians.

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Added on May 20, 2010, 6:03 pmThat will depend on what you intend to do with that knowledge.

There's definitely a few programmers in the corporate sector who don't have a degree in computing/comp. sci.

If you intend to lecture/research, tough luck. You'll have to start on a degree level and work your way up.

This post has been edited by VMSmith: May 20 2010, 06:03 PM

Just what I had observed. Many years ago, it's rare to find someone who would go for PHD.
Whatever I mentioned has nothing that relate to online game.

Thanks.

and take a note that even for degree, we do not merely study a book.

This post has been edited by den: May 21 2010, 09:30 AM

where Master is getting common nowadays... PhD will be common in near future, haha.

is really the education institute produce good graduate of PhD in future is in doubts.. hmm....

i believe the quality of master and phd graduate is ok. especially those with real working experience.

i am only against those who go for phd, and join the education industry but fail in teaching

Honestly the reason i am interested is for the dr title. If not its beter to just stop at masters.

If join education and not fail in teaching u got against?

Totally agree!!!

do u know why those that have Phd but worst in teaching? i really wonder why they have the capabilites to achieve the highest qualifications but cannot show the capabilites in delivering the lecture. that is the most pathetic facts!=(

Normally Phd takes years of time to study, 3 years should be the minimum. my friends are going for Phd, her main reason is she loves teaching.she wants to be a scientist who can give inspirations to the many undergrds students.sound great right? lol.
besides Study for Phd, which i believe the time is quite flexible, she work part time by giving tuition just because she has the passion for it.

I hear private college lecturers saying that without a PhD they cannot compete for a promotion. Its just the way the system works, a problem that can be traced all the way back to the student's parents. How? Parents want to send their kids to colleges that have the "best" lecturers. Their definition of "best?" A lecturer that has a Dr title. So what do the colleges do? Tell their teaching staff sorry, no doctrate, no promotion for you.

In the end, its all about the moolah. Sad.

Not applicable for all fields i guess..There are research on science, political science and etc....you'll need basic knowledge and techniques from your degree if you are to do research in science..

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Added on May 21, 2010, 4:04 pmEvery outcome is a a finding yo..even if it deviates from you initial hypothesis, it is still a finding..

This post has been edited by highwind85: May 21 2010, 04:04 PM

Does anybody have any PhD holder comparison information between Malaysia and advance country (e.g. US, UK, Japan, German,etc)???

They have the highest qualification because they have the ability to do research, come up with a thesis and defend it. While teaching should be something a PhD holder can do well, it's unfortunately not the main point.

Think about it, you get a PhD by doing research, but no amount of teaching will get you that PhD.

hold your horses bro..not everyone is good at giving lecture..Some people are brilliant in research...asking the correct question and addressing them with their research..and hence findings that would answer that said question..Human has strengths and weaknesses..Not all PhD will end up as academicians in the end..

That may be true. But I can tell you another reason for this. There's too many people who graduate with a Master's degree, just as there's too many people graduating with a regular degree nowadays.

Heck, there's too many PhD grads nowadays as well.

Hmm..That would really depends..If you're talking about science, then i would depend on the quality of the supervisor, equipments, support staff and etc...

Do you have statistics information to back your claim?

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Added on May 21, 2010, 4:22 pmIt seems most PhD holder in advance country produces a lot of new research articles... But hardly/almost zero to hear PhD holder in Malaysia produce significant research result.

This post has been edited by arthurlwf: May 21 2010, 04:22 PM

Only anecdotal evidence. About as valid as people saying there's too many graduate degree holders.



Edit: Okay, because I HAD to google it up...

http://www.usatoday.com/tech/science/2009-...neer-jobs_N.htm

http://forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?f=18&t=56573



This post has been edited by VMSmith: May 21 2010, 04:33 PM

That's only in US and other developed countries...Imagine this..US has thousands of universities..they produce countless PhDs per year..and PhDs all over the world go to US to work as Post-Docs...so now, how many faculty positions can US offer?

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Added on May 21, 2010, 4:53 pmThis is because advanced universities have more research grants, can employ a strong support group..Let me give you an example..If you research work involves statistical analysis..Excellent universities have Statistical Unit to help students and staffs to aid them in their experimental design..Local students have to scratch their head, figure out on it's own...

This post has been edited by highwind85: May 21 2010, 04:57 PM