fake la, why is the tag stated "LINEAR SUIT"? :

Russia kits looked fine to me.

please dun be an idiot and go read page 1 first.

well sorry if i am too harsh, but to try and sell fakes here is like trying to rob a police station without checking that out first.

thats just to make the shirt more special i think. This is australia's:

For aussie:

0608, PU badge, embroided Nike
0810, Pu badge, PU Nike
1012, Embroided badge and Nike.


before that they were all embroided as well, coz only PI are PU printed. Nowadays PU also embroided already.

I advise you not to do that, if the player(s) who signed the shirt is famous, the shirt can fetch hundreds of GB pounds in value. without the signature, the shirt can only be 20quid. If you do not plan to get the autograph, i suggest you buy one without signatures instead. I know some people doesnt bother with signatures, personal preferences...but if you got the shirt, keep it for the value and get another one for wearing.

Bro, south africa is at south hemisphere, meaning their weather is the other way round compared to north hemisphere, ie. UK, America etc.

In fact, if you look at the world map, you can see that South Africa is at the same level with Australia. I can tell you from my personal experience that right now, temperature is 11 degrees at 9.30pm. so during the day, the temperature can range between 10-16 degrees depending on rain or sun. i am expecting to see lots of players wearing LS or SS with baselayer inside.

But to answer aaronwu's questions, the reason is maybe because scared of lack of market? national teams seldom release their LS kits, except for a few odd countries. This time around, i see England, Mexico, Italy, South Africa to name a few that have commercial LS shirts. Nike ones are rarer. and Chelsea and Liverpool kits already out because its Adidas' marketing ploy, to have the players wear them at the end of the season and then sell them soon after, while Nike will wait till a bit later, around mid June or July. no idea whats the marketing strategy of each of the companies, but thats the trend.

mine to share who the siggy belongs to? But be careful though, make sure you got all the proof necessary, like when was the shirt signed, got picture proof or not, how reliable is the seller etc. be very critical of the item, make sure the seller proof to you that it is genuine, rather than you try to proof to seller (and ebay or paypal) that it is fake. there are too many fake signed shirts out there, one of the bad consequence that comes out of the high value of the item.

to remove ink stain, dunno those Dylon stain remover will work or not...because their job is to remove stains, we make use of it to remove glue coz glue is one of the type of stains. not sure if it will work or not. Or try applying small amount of spirit on it, and see if the ink dissolve or not. no guarantee it will work, but if the ink is oil based (most water proof inks are), then it might work.

EXACTLY what i highlighted in the My-FJC forum, mate. I have half the mind to write an email to the star to highlight it to them. any idea if the same article was published in the paper itself?

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Jun 10 2010, 08:13 PM

oh wow, La Vanita. Did you ask about the authenticity, or did they tell you it is authentic?

I think odieseven sums things up perfectly. Of course seller sells stuff with profit in their mind, by how many % that is not the question. But it's the way you get the profit which is the issue here. Kitbag buys their stuff from supplier for cheap price, then sell if for 150% profit. What's the scenario here? the supplier clearly understands they are selling items to shops that will mark up the price and sell for profit. That's fine, they know this fact and is not bothered by it. They earn their profit from the quantity sold ie. more sold, more money. The next question, how did Kitbag find their suppliers? of course through contacts. They might know of factories that sell football jerseys, or maybe they contacted Nike/Adidas?Umbro headquarters to get their items. as for NNS, they have companies SportingID that supply to them. Again, these suppliers know the intention of Kitbag, and the more business kitbag has, indirectly the suppliers have increased income. As a conclusion, the aim of these suppliers is to make profit from selling items to sellers in bulks, and when seller sells more, suppliers also earn more (coz more stocks needed ma).

Now, what happens when individual sellers buy things from other forum member for the purpose of reselling? First of all, most of the time when a member sells their item, it is to clear of unwanted shirts, or to fund other jerseys. What are their profit margin then? Some might add in a little bit of profit, maybe to cover the delviery cost of the shirt in the first place. Some sell it for the price they pay originally. Heck, some even sell for a loss, because their intention is to make space. Not profit. So, how can the seller says he buy his item from another member and resell it is same as Kitbag getting stocks from supplier? Are you implying that the members who clears away their jerseys are supplier without themselves knowing it?

2ndly, the way the seller gets their stock. In contrast with Kitbag, these sellers got their items from the help of others. Kitbag's suppliers provide the items with the intention of profit as well. The forum member who provide the items, be it directly from their collection or indirectly from discount links, hidden sales from shops etc, is with the intention of sharing with friends of the good deal. You can see that there is a clear contrast between Kitbag buying from their suppliers and "collectors" buying from other collectors. My point is, how can a collector-cum-seller compare themselves to Kitbag or Subsidesports? When Kitbag sells their stuff, both kitbag and supplier untung. Nobody was exploited here. When the collector/seller sells their stuff by taking advantage of information provider, someone is being exploited here.

Ive know of a case where a forum member from UK, with his own sweat and resources travel to Nike shops to help other members buy certain PI kits with no extra charge besides delivery cost, only to find the exact item being sold by one or two "friends" who sought his help in getting the items. So in this case, the "supplier" was at lost of money and time, and did not profit from the "seller's" acts. LYN forum members, you tell me if Kitbag did the same thing or not with their suppliers, and then tell me which is ethical and unethical. Then you decide yourselves, who would you rather buy from? and for my Muslim bros and sis, i think the issue of Makruh is closely related here (correct me if i use the term wrongly).

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Jun 14 2010, 07:00 PM

i'm not

U still dun get my point mate. Even if mamak or kedai runcit buy from Tesco/Giant, in this case the "supplier" for them is the hypermarkets, who still make profit.

To put it into perspective, it is like a apple farm owner giving out apples from the apple trees that he has. In that region only he has apples. His intention is to help others who might need food coz they are hungry. Then one normal fellow comes early, and grab all the apples from him. The next thing you know, that fellow set up a stall and sell each apple for $5. When the real hungry people come, all the free apples are gone and they now have to either pay expensively for 1 apple, or go home hungry.

Funny analogy but i think it is pretty accurate. Sure, you can argue the apple seller comes earlier, so he has the right to get all the apples, no law is against that. However his actions not only takes advantage of the apple farm owner, he also denies the people who truly wants the apple for their hunger just so he can get money.

Rm750 -> RM710 = Massive price reduction? gila ke apa?

This is the type of exorbitant price we're talking about. If i were to buy this shirt a few weeks ago from eBay, selling for RM400 would give me 100% profit. But who knows, maybe the seller bought it from eBay for RM650 eh?

Who's the seller? sorry, i am not familiar with Mudah.

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Jun 15 2010, 03:53 PM

From aussie ma, never really looked into Mudah before...

lazy la, whats the point? personally, i rather go all the way...instead of RM700, pay GBP700, get a Man Utd match worn shirt. Even though both the prices are exorbitant, At least the price is justifiable, and the profit goes to people who are well respected in the field. People like Shakey Shakeshaft and Caine Pickering.

I would say...if he can make for other teams and take orders for it, it would be a great business for him, and a good opportunity for collectors. For me, these items are not commercially available and in fact, it is not even required by FIFA (unlike the WC badge)..its up to the kitman's discretion whether how to apply, how's the style and their creativity (Holland used flags, England used banners). So the issue about licensed product is quite irrelevant here, coz no rule or law is there to limit or stop its unauthorized production. That's my opinion on MDTs, it's just the same as when JCs go and DIY embroided MDTs.

I would say, if your friend can provide the MDTs for reasonable price, i think he can promote it here and im sure the demand is quite high.

doubt u can get the short numbers in Malaysia, demand not high. lit_ching is right, your option is to get it from online store, such as wiggysports.

u can always buy it, and bring it to ALI BB or Real One to ask them to apply...but for such small number, it might not be worth it.

not iron directly on top of it la, need to flip over first.

ebay is the place to go if you want to buy old or rare shirts. reliable or not, that depends on who the seller is and what delivery option you use. The more u surf, the more you will get experience on these.

clearly a sponsorless replica added with Chinese carlsberg sponsor.

of course the shirt exists. The shirt was worn at Anfield against Chelsea, their last home game of the season. The reason why there are people doing DIY for it is because they can apply it to the sponsorless Liverpool home replica kit, or sponsorless Player Issue kit if you manage to get 1. Whether or not you condone adding a DIY sponsor onto your shirt is another issue, it is in the grey area. Some people use these sponsors and apply it to sponsorless PI kit, and claim it to be matchworn, which is a scam and what infuriates the legendary Liverpool collector Michael Yip the most

This post has been edited by pyroboy1911: Jun 22 2010, 06:03 PM

eh guys, wanna ask, what is the currency exchange for RM and GBP now arr? the last time i check from a reliable and trustable source, it gives me GBP11 = RM180. Correct or not arr? I know most of the time sources like banks will be a bit higher to earn the conversion fee, but the one i check is a bit too high, no?