Hi Guys,

I m facing a deep deep dilemma between LG 50PJ350 & Samsung 50C430 plasma TV.

What do you guys think?

From the paper, i understand that the LG has 3 HDMI vs 2 HDMI inputs from Samsung but the LG is more expensive by RM200+.


Both are relatively new and i can't find much review of it.

Thanks!

Personally i prefer [i have the budget] Samsung 50' Plasma TV

im using lg plasma here as well..so far no regrets..
but i cant really tell u how its compared to the rest..since i upgrade from crt .. basically anything in hd amazes me now lol

thanks! have personally seen the new C430? or based on the old B series plasma?

Thanks for your honest opinion. Appreciate it. I'm sick of my pana 42 inch X10, so moving it up the room and replace it with a 50in in da living room and wanna try some other brand. i wont be playing a lot of HD (cant really afford bluray), just Astro with component cable and normal DVD with Sony player which runs HDMI cable. Oh ya will be playing Wii (component cable) and PS3 (HDMI) also.

I hear LG Plasmas have black levels issue coupled with burn in problems as well

Wah.., you're so rich... already have 42" inch plasma.., then wanna buy another 50" inch one....

Hi TS
Just need ur opinion since i came across that you are using Panasonic X10 plasma as well ar 42inch ?

Im looking to buy Panasonic THP42X28K Plasma 42inch
Any comment to it ?

And similar to u is ill be playing Wii with it
Any blurness on plasma with Wii via component cable ?

Damn...thats definitely something to watch out for. thanks man!


nah man....it can get quite political at home when comes to channel. So i m just playing safe before world cup.


i'm not sure bout x28k but generally i find it not bad lah, quite nice. Same goes to LCD also, i tried it on my frens Sony LCD, not much different to my noob eye. Hope it helps hahaha

not being bias or anything(since i own a plasma).. i tried looking at plasma and lcd side by side...for me the colour on plasma looks better on astro and movies.. i cant really say if its for gaming tho.. i got my plasma for a cheap price..so im pretty happy

Thanks

any Panasonic 50 inch plasma still in the market ? maybe you should compare the Sammy with that....just my opinion.

maybe you can try this:
SAMSUNG-PS-50C450 - RM 3400 (HD READY) from forumer sky heart.

I am going for a samsung 2010 plasma.

iam thinking to take this samsong plasma TV 50C430 at RM3250 cash and carry.

Is this a good buy? It says warranty only 1 year? i thought samsong gives 2 years ??

would recommend Samsung..used for 3years still no problem

PQ is great..
not sure about LG though

[quote=guy3288,May 16 2010, 09:49 AM]
iam thinking to take this samsong plasma TV 50C430 at RM3250 cash and carry.

wow ...now 50" plasma so cheap already ?? where is the shop ?

yea quite cheap nowadays
i bought my plasma 50 for 3400
hd ready only tho

panasonic p42x28K and samsung ps42c451 are about the same price. for features, samsung got usb that can play movie files too, optical audio output. panny only got sd slot

which one is better in terms of PQ and best bang for the buck?

another plasma LG 42pj350r also at the same price range with usb. but i think its PQ not as good as panny and samsung. pls share your comment.

Yeah, plasma does look much better for analog signal from astro or sat. I m not so much of a gamer anyway.

I had a Panny and am interested in other brand. X10 is great great piece of budget plasma i must say.

Wow! Thats a great price!! My friend offer me RM3500 for 50C450

Great! looks like ppl are more confident with Samsung.

Noted! Thanks man!

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Added on May 17, 2010, 9:10 pmMy friend who owned a local electronic shop will play both Samsung C430 and LG 50PJ350 side by side. I will bring along Avatar & Dark Knight DVD to compare.

This post has been edited by dezmo: May 17 2010, 09:10 PM

dezmo, do come back and let us know how's the comparison between samsung C430 and LG PJ350. thanks.

say no to LG and samsung

why? reason being....?

yeah...mind to share why? now every shop i went recommended samsung plasma and say no to pana because blackout issue

I believe samsung should be better than LG. FYI, even Sony is using Samsung panel.

go to any shop that sell TV, ask them put SAMSUNG LG SONY SHARP PANASONIC LCD TV in front you, you sure can tell the different. ( of course all must about the same spec )

Ok, so WHAT are we suppose to look out for?

she said avoid but no good reason given, sigh..............

lucky he didn't say "say no to all LCD"

I thought it is HE? Since when he declare she?

OK! I've compared them side by side with normal Ninja Assasin DVD9 and Astro HD (HBO & Sports).

This is the verdict (setting is right out of the box),

Physical Outlook:

The LG looks very much better compared to the Sammy due to the LG's thin Razor FRAME thin, somehow it gives an illusion of LG has a bigger panel than the C430. We measured the the screen and its approx the same +/- 0.5 cm, to confirm that the Razor Frame is a sweet design. Overall if I want my living room to look contemporary & modern, LG will be my first choice.

LG 1 - 0 Sammy

Sound:

Both have a decent sound, loud enough to be heard in the showroom but later i ask them to turn off all the other Tvs and listen to them side by side. Both had hidden speakers but i think LG had it too deep hidden and the sound was very much softer compare to Sammy. I had to turn the LG up to 70 to be on par with Sammy's volume 60. However, most of you AV freak out there will not care bout the TV's sound since you will hook it up to whatever external surround system you have which will anytime sounded better than what the plasmas can give you. However for the sack of those who wanna hook this up in their toilet with no surround system then I would say go for the Sammy.

LG 1 - 1 Sammy

Picture:

Ok....I'm not a super AV guy as I'm more into sound so i will give you a very general review from a noob's eyes. First look at the Standard Definition picture, LG is so much more grainy or grainier compared to Samsung. I'm so dissapointed with LG seriously! Ninja Assasin (DVD 9) looked much better on the Sammy as it suffer less from pixelization. However i did not give up on the LG and was lucky to have Speed Racer on HBO HD but LG fail to impress me again. There are still noticeable pixelization and grainy pictures, very bad for such a sexy loooking LG. Then I switch to ESPN HD, Sammy won hands down. I hope the LG which i compared was a lemon as i really like the looks LOL However if you sit 7 or 8 feet away, the grainy and pixelization problem is not that significant but the LG picture looks rather wash out compare to the Sammy. Maybe a little tweak in the setting might cure the problem. From 10 Ft away, both looks as sweet but for now I will have to give Sammy the point. Last but not least, I think the i cant tell the difference in their Black level. Very black!

LG 1 - 2 Sammy

Connectivity:

I'm running out of time but you guys can easily checked it online. I will just tell you that the LG 50PJ350R has significant MORE connectivity compare to the weak 50C430 but it is an unfair comparison. We should compare the connectivity between 50PJ350R & 50C450 as they are in the same class while C430 is slightly lower with 1 less HDMI and 1 less component (i think) and lack of a few more stuff but its RM200+ cheaper. However do pay in mind that C430 and C450 are using the same panel so their PQ expectation SHOULD be the same.

LG 2 - 2 Sammy

Its a draw, so you ppl decide what is best for you. I've not decided yet Its still a deep dilemma.....

Problem:

I read a lot of oversea forum regarding problem with C430 and C450 of Sammy. However, due to different continent production factory, our market always get a different quality, sometimes better sometimes bad but yesterday i was listening to all the C430 and next door C450 and even the LG, there is none, totally ZERO of the infamous plasma buzzing noise.

That is all for now. I need to get back to work. this weekend i might bring my own dvd machine and dark knight & avatar to try it out in SD. Hope these helps

dezmo, great reviews!

why don't you add another panny plasma x28k for comparison?

This post has been edited by rolandhoo: May 21 2010, 02:17 PM

i don't know the price range between this two brand,

perhaps, you can try other brand like Toshiba, Sharp or the over-price Sony.

well, i only notice that you are actually considering buying a Plasma not LCD.

I will say that, give Panasonic a try, since it got the new model now.
don't ask me why, i don't the technical detail, try it by your eye and you know

and last thing, say no to LG and samsung. The product seems good but it cannot last long enough that you expect

Pixelation on a HD source does not seem correct. I believe someone must have turned on the motion interpolation or excessive sharpening. Some setting is not set right. Was it indeed pixelation or was it artifacting? Also wash out might be a setting thing.

Grain...this needs to be understood. Does the DVD have director induced grain to start with? Is it possible that the Noise Reduction was turned on on one and not on the other? Some people mistaken grain as due to plasma dithering. Plasma displays moving pictures by dithering. Was it dithering u were seeing? How close did u observe the grain? Was it "grainy" in the dark areas or was it in the colour areas, or was it just a layer of grain everywhere?

Plasma buzzing is categorized into 2. Those that have single sheet of glass with bonded filters will buzz more than those with 2 sheet glass without bonded filters. The other buzz is from the power supply. Buzzing also depends on ur living environment and ur seating, some position will enhance the buzzing and some won't

The note that you made about Asian countries receiving different specs for same models holds true for most manufacturers but Samsung does not fall into that category. They have mostly the same specs in most countries only minor differences. Panny is one of the main culprits.

To the people buying, take ur material that u will watch and try to not use the Store settings (or Dynamic) and see if u can get the sales guy to dim the lights and then make the judgement. Understand the technology limitations and strengths. Make an informed decision.

LoL! yeah I only want a plasma because i'm very happy with my Panasonic 42x10 but looking into other brand. Actually i just saw the new line up of Pana in newspaper, the 50X20K seem like its within my budget. MIght do some research in it. Heard bout the black level issue on the pana plasma as it ages but some claimed that Malaysia's Pana will not have such problem, dont know how true is this. My x10 is still very new so i cant judge.

Thanks for the feedback liverpooldude Sorry for all the wrong terms used because I'm not exactly sure what is what and hope that you guys understand what im trying to say.

To answer your question, it was grainy surrounding all the moving stuff. like human and cars, especially players on the football field. Noise Reduction was off by me on both. i was 5 to 6 ft away to notice the grain i think.

Buzzing was pretty bad in the US. Some user complaint that they can hear it 6 to 7 ft away when the Tv is mute and UN-mute. I dunno which category.

lol there is no way they will off the light for me. I switch both TV to movie mode for a warmer pix.

you sound really experience, so which will you choose? the LG, Sammy or Panny x20 (hehehe just added this in)? Really appreciate your input.

I hv not viewed the LG plasma. I hv seen the Panny X20 and the C430 (or maybe C450 not sure). The Sammy has slightly better anti reflective coating and greyscale adjustments in the user menu. (The Panny greyscale can be done in the service menu) The Panny had better blacks, however with no proper / or any anti reflection, this is something for the buyer to remember as the positioning becomes important. I believe the Sammy might have slightly better processing of SD material. Take ur pick both hv their pros and cons. I think depending on ur room (if there are many windows, might need better ARC).

Of course the Sammy 650 shd be better with a CMS.

The grain u mention sounds more like edge enhancement, need to turn down the sharpness.

thanks for the short review. It does help me lean towards Sammy a little more. It can get quite bright in the living room and i can onli hang it on the wall so not much positioning can be done. what is CMS? Color Management System?

I shall go back to the shop and mingle around with the LG again.

Hi

I own the 50PJ350R and upgraded from many generations ago 32" Samsung LCD. My main usage is Astro and recently upgraded to Byond. It was a quantum leap in terms of picture quality I must say. I do also have a HDMI DVD player but that's about it.

One thing you have to know about the LG is that it's only HD-ready meaning max 720p. So if you have issue about this, then I suggest you consider other Full HD plasmas. For me, as you can read above, it's more than adequate but the best must be the 600Hz sub field drive which means smooth rendering of sports programs! Hello World Cup 2010!!

At just slightly less than RM4K, this LG is fantastic value!

I was offered a 5 - series full HD 50" samsung plasma for rm4300 without the home theather package..very tempting so did some research and found quality issue regarding the samsung flat tvs something about clicking sound after 2 - 3 years of usage apparently due to low quality capacitors used in these products googled it and found lots of similar problems any of the local users found this problem?

Its good to hear a review from the PJ350 owner! I m considering to pay RM3500 for it or not....how much did u pay for it? Its RM30 mroe expensive than 50C450.

Thats basically what i will use it for (SD - astro & DVD9) and that is why I'm only looking at 720p (which I'm well aware of the 1024x768p resolution) as I will be sitting 10ft-11ft away. Maybe in the future I will get a PS3 but i dont think i need a Full-HD due to tight budget. But the 600Hz thingy seems gimicky ler......check this out (http://forum.blu-ray.com/plasma-tvs/141652-what-exactly-600hz-sub-field-drive.html).

So do you like watching footie on a SD astro? Previously i compare the Lg and Sammy, the C430 gives better SD picture. So what do u think? It was on out-of-the box setting.


According to my friend who owned one of the biggest electronic shop locally, don't be suprise with low quality parts used in lower end Sammy as he get more complaint in lower range Sammy LCD and plasma compare to lower range product from other brand. But that is just his experience lah, it can be very subjective. He advise me to go for LG or Pana when come to cheaper or lower range plasma but the LG fail to impress me that day I really like its physical looks though. Damn sexy! and the connectivity is sweet!

anyone know roughly how much a 46" plasma costs?

panny 46x28k
sammy 46c451
lg 46pj350r

the distance from tv to the seat is about 9 ft. do you guys think a 42" is more than enough?

still haven't decided which one to buy among these 3...

This post has been edited by rolandhoo: May 25 2010, 09:13 AM

i'm sitting 10ft away and i still think 50inch is not big enuff. Go for 50 man, tv is never too big

@rolandhoo
there's no such model as 46x28k

skylinestar, noted. so x series if bigger than 42", it would be 50" right?

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Added on May 26, 2010, 5:03 pmhow i wish i could go for 50" but due to limited budget...

This post has been edited by rolandhoo: May 26 2010, 05:03 PM

better buying samsung than buying LG

Samsung way awseome than LG
for me le

my advice.

go for full hd panasonic plasma. own s10. never look back.

no more S10 now... FHD 2010 models out of budget....

hm.....i brought my Avatar DVD to the shop and try and both LG and Samsung are really dissapointing ler compare to my 42in pana x10 at home. I really wanna try other brand but susah nya.........the issue with painted pixel with the Sammy was really obvious, then the LG's color very wash out. I tried a few of the recommended setting from on9, non of them impress me. I might look into pana 50x20 eventhough it has the rising black level issue.

dezmo, what were the models for LG and sammy? PJ350R and C450? both displays using HDMI input?

I also heard that raising black issue would be on panny 2010 plasma model. just wonder how worse it can go...

PJ350R and C430 (same PQ as C450).

Yeah i used same player, cable, and dvd for both TV.

i also tried to compare the PQ among LG PJ350R, Sammy C450 and Panny X28K.

To be frank, the PQ on X28K is better than the rest, especially the black level. If panny has no raising black/floating black issue with their panal for our 2010 models. the best bet is on X28K so far.

LG Potential Buyers beware !!!!!

I owed a LG 42" Plasma (non HD) that I was using for more than 3 years, then suddenly, the internal board blew and I've to spend like RM1100+ to get the three mainboard replaced.

After the repair, the screen take a while to WARM UP , the white colour becomes pinkish for the 1st 15 mins, after it warm up, it seems okay..

The service from LG ( or the repair shop that LG outsource to ) is REALLY REALLY BAD.

After spending RM1100+ for the repair still got other issues and after I raised a complain to LG Customer Service Centre, the repair company dropby my place, do a few "white wash" on the Plasma and says it was not their fault..

So for me, NO MORE LG Plasma or LCD.. bcos BAD quality (only lasts 3 years) and BAD after sales service.

oh man....i was about to come online and post my final decision to buy the LG PJ350 until i saw your comment LoL~!

Looks like all the brand got their own problem, the other day i was testing Avatar on the Sammy C450 and there were 2 obvious horiozontal black lines on the screen (even my gf realized it!). Then the Pana got rising black problem....how how?

Mind to specify which model is your TV?

thanks

Is anyone here really encounter rising black issue?

Well thanks for the info. BUT can you also furnish us with details of how many hours have your plasma clocked? Did your kid (just guessing you have one) often play with the power button? Did someone accidentally spilled coffee on it? And maybe other circumstances which could have contributed to this damage? You certainly didn't get a bad unit as it has been serving you well for 3 years. Until we know all these circumstances, I think we should reserve our judgment. It's all so easy to come to a conclusion but a brand won't last for very long if they have this kind of quality issues.

Have been reading this post from beginning to end..

planning to buy a plasma as well..

seems like Pana, Sammy and LG also have their own prob..


updates:

went to shop to check out the pana X28, sammy C450 and LG PJ350

disappointed with the PQ of LG PJ350...worst compare to among the three..

This post has been edited by ryuken74: Jun 24 2010, 02:44 PM

Any one else have plasma experience? I'm also planning to put one in my living room. Thx.

I will say to choose you need to set your budget.

PANASONIC

Forgive my ignorance here but what are floating black issues I read a lot here and also IR? Thx.

There is a group of die hard fans for Panny. I see a dedicated thread to Panasonic plasma. No such thread for Samsung plasma, but there is one for Samsung LCD.

Samsung P50C450 is best selling at Amazon under budget plasma category. I prefer Samsung colours which are vibrant compared to Panasonic which seem slightly pale. However, I must admit that Panasonic has better black levels (if it last anyway ) and natural looking PQ. LG's PQ looks nice and clean, but colours are dull looking.

I went Best Denki KLCC and was most impressed with Samsung's demo video, with a good mixture of animation, action shots, sports, etc. Panasonic keep showing their camera promo or the plasma promo. I would really be convince if I can see a good presentation of Hollywood blockbuster, Avatar. So far, I have not seen Avatar on a plasma yet.

Anyone has any suggestion of best showroom in Klang valley to view all three brand plasma playing the same materials with good lighting control (dimmed down)?

just sharing..

went to TBM at Bangsar Village recently and looked at the panasonic 50U20k display set - its a full hd G13 panel 50" plasma. Saw a thin pinkish line from the top drawing down almost 3/4 down middle of the screen.

was really surprised with the fault and problem since this model was only released in april 2010. in terms of warranty, yeah 2 years but the RM amount of repair within the 2 yrs warranty cannot be more than the amount purchased...betul ka?

Guess all makes and models have the quirks...now which has the best out of the box warranty? spending like 3-4k for a TV that only lasts 3 yrs seems a waste these days.

Have omos similar dillema deciding between Samsung 4 series and LG . Finally decided on LG because its a newer model and more importantly Samsung use plasticky screen while LG use glass screen.

go for lg.. the latest model thiz pj350r have anti burn in and also have auto sweep for deep clarity.. 0.001ms fastest rate for gaming and fast moving video.

read review here
http://www.lg.com/us/tv-audio-video/televi...-tv-42PJ350.jsp

Looks like everyone is going for 50 inch plasma nowadays...
Sadly my budget runs thin...

On that note, I saw SenQ having a promotion on the new model PS42C451 which is so new I can't seem to find anything about it on the net..
It's going for RM1999 (NP RM2799)... do you guys think the price is right?

that model basically 42c450. has same specs n panel but only selected retail shops have right to sell that model(SenQ)
good price IMHO

This post has been edited by pablo7: Sep 2 2010, 12:24 PM

for plasma i'm scared of IR, black color degration etc

WTA :

the difference of the contrast ration 50,000:1 and 5,000,000:1
is it huge? lol

Hi, sorry, did not see yr reply.. so here is the response...

Been using the LG Plasma TV for like 3 years, average use... probably 5 hours per day...

No one spill anything or damage, it just happened suddenly ... it it just that I would assume LG would have a better quality for their LG Plasma TV... i think the retail price when I got it was like RM7000+ for a 42" non-HD model.. now is so much cheaper!!!!

Secondly, their LG repair contrator is REALLY REALLY BAD.. it just makes the LG name bad... bcos :-

1. They never returned the 3 faulty parts to me

2. It least show me the faulty parts, even if they wanna keep it for spare parts for other functioning components

3. When I complained to them directly, no one took action. Only when I complained directly to LG, they show up my place and do some
"wayang".... pretend to do some white wash on the screen and kinda tell me that after their repair, this is what I get...

At least repair this annoying "pinkish" problems together with the three parts they replaced!!!! I am sure it would not cost any much more than the RM1,100 I paid for the repair cost.

One word of advise for all potential LG buyers, if your LG TV / Plasma / LCD is out of warranty, just pray that it does not spoil cos you will be ripped off by LG Service Contractor!!!!!

I'm still using this LG Plasma TV with the above mention problems since the day after the repair... it is still very annoying everyday before the LG TV gets warm up...

One good thing about Samsung Plasma.. Their Panel still made in Korea, even the low end C430 series

to share with u all.. I had buy the LG 50PK550 Full HD Plasma...at courts mammoth

price : rm3599 last unit.... so great deal maaa... retail price : rm5999

what ever i can say... first looking at d tv... i must say WOWWW

coz the design was thin not merely like pana model.. whick is so bulky i think

the picture was totally superb.. even place in the top 5 plasmatvguide website :

http://www.plasmatvbuyingguide.com/plasmatv/top10.html

I would recommend all of u to buy this tv even 50PJ350 was also superb

but lack of full hd thing.... thats all enjoy ~

50 PK550 - http://www.lg.com/us/tv-audio-video/televi...-tv-50PK550.jsp

This post has been edited by fredyrockz: Dec 28 2010, 03:55 PM

nice buy.. have u used it with byond?

yeah of course ... SD channel looks good...720p source great... 1080i perfect....1080p out of d world

I bought the 42PJ350R today, and I'm damn angry. Why do they sell the R version to Malaysia, while Singapore gets the non-R version, which is much better? The R seems to be missing: calibration tools, expert picture settings, digital audio output, DVB-T and DVB-C. Also no mkv/HD support it seems. What the hell? At least in other countries you set 42PJ350 to Finland or Sweden and you'll get DVB-T/C, but that doesn't seem to work with the R. How crappy is that?! Stupid LG, making all those different versions that are almost indistinguishable visually/from the model number, but completely different.

Anyone got any experience in flashing the 42PJ350 firmware onto this? (I'm afraid they used a different, cheaper CPU etc.). And it's not like the R is cheaper than the non-R in other countries...

At least I paid 1699 for it, which is somewhat reasonable. I wonder if I can bring it back tho...

Found more infos in a Bulgarian forum... the R models stand for Russia, and do not have DVB-T (I wouldn't be surprised if the tuner does support it, but it is deactivated for whatever reasons). I'm living near the Singaporean border and can receive their DVB-T broadcasts, but my receiver doesn't have HDMI/HD support, so I'd love to user the built in tuner. Anyway, it seems that one can access the service menu, need to hack a remote control for that. We'll see what can be done there.
http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=e...l%26prmd%3Divns
They also show how to activate media playback on the PJ250 model, perhaps this can also activate MKV/HD media on the 350.

This post has been edited by kadajawi: Jan 9 2011, 11:49 PM