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post Jul 20 2010, 08:51 PM

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QUOTE(sam0919 @ Jul 17 2010, 12:25 AM)
guys did any1 heard of samsung p2770hd ? its different with p2770h lcd...while p2770hd is a led monitor..any1 know when it comes to malaysia?

currently own a p2700h lcd but really not satisfied as the viewing angle quite troublesome...let say if ur monitor on ur desk but u view ur monitor from down angle to top...u will not see clearly on wat display on the screen...putting on this big lcd on desk but cannot watch while lying on bed and have to adjust ur sitting position in order to view fully clearly vision its the most annoying factor to me...
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P2770HD is using CCFL backlit. its more of "Hybrid LCD", a model trying to do both the job of computer monitor and TV. since its just another TN panel, it will suffer the same problem as your old P2770.


QUOTE(dauf87 @ Jul 19 2010, 07:17 AM)
................................It looks that Samsung doesnt produce IPS panel LCD monitor..am i right?

Have a look at this site : http://www.pchardwarehelp.com/guides/s-ips-lcd-list.php.....................

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Samsung is the supporter of VA, they developed S/PVA after all. if you like Korean brand, LG Display make S/H-IPS panel.

QUOTE(Top-Gun @ Jul 20 2010, 12:48 PM)
Even from 2007WFP to U2311H... colours are much vibrant, viewing angles remained the same while text was sharp in both landscape/portrait mode while my old Dell 2007WFP seemed to have a problem of displaying sharp text in portrait mode.

So this U2410, despite the AG coating (couldn't notice it much really, maybe I am used to it already with the 2007WFP) totally rocked my socks.
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maybe because your 2007WFP is a S-PVA?

QUOTE(Jet23sky @ Jul 16 2010, 06:13 PM)
Hmm how to describe... You can see that the white color is really white.... while LCD does not appear as white, instead it appears white mix with other color. I can't really tell the rest of the color as I'm only viewing the video and not personally tested myself. But white color seems pretty significant even you watch through video.............................

.....................For more information or you want to see the difference yourself, you can watch this video in youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vQHcpF7wY8c
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technically speaking, the color temperature determine the appearance of white. the color accuracy can be 100% correct yet the white will look redish or warm if the color temp is 5000K, and vice versus for high color temp. without any measuring tools, human skin--we see it every second--might be good indication of how well the monitor produce color.

btw, current phosphor based white LED isn't the best in light quality. I personally don't see the need to go LED, 1)brightness, I have to use 10 or even 0 brightness setting on CCFL already; 2)power efficiency, my 24" use ~50W, the most LED can cut is half = 25W. if I use it 8hrs a day, a year later, it will only cost me an extra of a few Singapore dollar, I'm use MY charge electricity even lower. now see the pricetag of monitor with LED backlit monitor, how much the manufacturer charge over their equivalent LCD with CCFL? please don't fall prey to their market BS.
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post Jul 21 2010, 05:43 PM

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QUOTE(ConquerorX @ Jul 21 2010, 12:09 PM)
Errr, may I know what exactly the difference between Dell U2311H and U2410 other than the viewing angle and also U2410 has HDMI but U2311H does not? unsure.gif
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QUOTE(ConquerorX @ Jul 21 2010, 02:23 PM)
Good info there @ dauf87. Sorry, everling, what I meant was viewing size. One is 23" and one is 24". Well, with the price of U2410 can get almost 2 x U2311H though for dual monitor sweat.gif
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16:9 aspect ratio allow the manufacturer to cut more pieces from a large glass. despite the mere 1" different, the U2311H appear visually smaller than U2410:

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pic taken from FlatpanelsHD.

the viewing angle is similar, I do not see any noticeable difference. the U2311H has more pronounce "glowing effect", when view from extreme angle, the black will glow, like this:

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pic taken from FlatpanelsHD. this only visible in black or really dark scenes, no problem for white or any other visible color.

the U2410 also have its own issue, the infamous pink tint:

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less visible from extreme horizontal angle, worst at white.


beside the inputs, U2410 is a wide gamut color monitor, covering 97% of Adobe RGB color space. great if you are a photographer taking photo in AdobeRGB color space as it can display more truth to live captured photo, especially in green channel. also allow all printable CMYK color to be visible on screen. but it may be a bad idea to use wide color gamut monitor for ordinary user cause if a photo taken using sRGB profile is display on a unprofiles monitor, all color would be wrong. but then, without monitor calibration, all monitor will display wrong color, so its a matter of how bad the color shift. from personal experience, if one stare at the unprofile wide color gamut monitor for days, the ordinary monitor will look pale or desaturated in color...

I got my U2410 last September, for months I had been trying desperately to tweak the color cause it not only have pink tint, it also have green tint. in the end I have to spend another >S$300 for a colorimeter to correct the green tint--pink tint is hopeless but its only happen from an angle. the U2311H on the other hand, looks almost perfect out of the box. IMHO, get U2410 if you need the extended color space and inputs, get U2311H if you don't want the headache and its a good deal cheaper.

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post Jul 24 2010, 01:39 PM

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QUOTE(intothefantasy @ Jul 23 2010, 08:56 PM)
have a question...i have a u2410...and it seems to be having composite support...but my question is...wat kind of cable is composite? the yellow color only? cuz i google them in image i see alot of composite av cables..the 1 with 3 heads in 3 colors...yellow red and white...if that is the composite cable, which means i can play my ps2 with u2410? but behind only have 1 yellow slot which i believe is composite....
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U2410 review by PRAD
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RGB is color component, Yellow is composite. use component wherever possible as it offer the best analog video PQ. the AV cable with yellow/red/white are for composite video and stereo audio connection. since U2410 doesn't have speaker thus audio input, you may try to use the AV cable as component. the PQ will not be as good as decent component cable but still better than the composite which junk all video data to one cable.
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post Jul 30 2010, 07:45 PM

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QUOTE(5564321 @ Jul 30 2010, 02:43 AM)
http://www.kenrockwell.com/apple/30-inch-cinema-display.htm
One of the review. They are well known for color accuracy demanded workloads. Of course expensive as well sweat.gif
If I am a serious photographer, I would get one of those as well.
Actually color accuracy is important for those who always do printing so the color on monitor will be same as printing.
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Beware reviews written by hackers, not photographers. I've read reviews where the techie reviewer thought it was a defect that the Apple Cinema displays have no color temperature adjustment. Apples adjust the color temperature via the computer and color profile, not at the display. This is a great plus, not an omission.

The only real color temperature of an LCD is the color of the backlight when the screen is full white. The Apple Cinema display is fantastic precisely because the native backlight color is the standard 6500K for photography and video. I read one review by a guy who was guessing about photography and lamented the lack of a 5000K setting. 5000K is the wrong setting, and if you want it you can still get it on every Mac by going to System Preferences > Displays > Color > Calibrate and making a new profile. You can create new profiles on every Mac even without a hardware color meter as I use.

CRTs adjust their native white points by varying the outputs of their three electron guns. An LCD alters its white point away from the native backlight's white point by dimming the red or blue segments, as well as green. This isn't a native change. It also lowers overall brightness because you can't make any of an LCD's R, G or B elements more transmissive than they are at full native white.

Most LCDs, but not the Apple Cinema Displays, vary color and brightness when viewed at different angles. Any change to the native white point looks awful on these displays since different parts of your screen are seen at different angles. If you've changed the white to be something else then white documents look terrible, since the white color changes from top to bottom! The Cinema display doesn't have this problem, even if you alter the white point, because it looks the same from every reasonable angle.

An LCD needs its native white point to match your desired white point, and the Apple Display does this marvelously.


no individual RGB adjustment is great; >300cd/m2 brightness is great; the LCD color/contrast/gamma shift is cause by user alteration to the LCD's native white...pardon me but what a load of BS.

This Ken guy really know nuts about LCD display. doh.gif

for a pro, when color accuracy is critical, they will get this. for serious photographer, any decent VA/IPS panel is good enough--provided they also own a monitor calibrator.

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post Aug 2 2010, 01:00 AM

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QUOTE(UltraConductor_41 @ Aug 2 2010, 12:35 AM)
lol...that chris-M guy been answering the tint problem like this since U2410 age. He will say everything is within spec and tell us to go get a professional LCD like Eizo~~ instead of a cheapo LCD like Dell Ultrasharp~ tongue.gif
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I am surprise a Dell rep will reply to their customer in such manner... hmm.gif

nonetheless, EIZO 24 inchers do cost several time more than the U2410 and Dell does allow return of their product in 30 days. this is the service we don't get from local shops. my partial solution to the U2410 color tint issue is a monitor calibrator, and I'm quite happy now.
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post Aug 2 2010, 07:16 PM

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QUOTE(anechoic @ Aug 2 2010, 11:28 AM)
is monitor calibrator a software tool? may i know where to download so i can test if it works for my u231hh.

thanks!
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Monitor calibrator is a calibration software with colorimeter used to measure monitor's output and correct any flaw thru monitor's control and graphic card LUT. this is an example of monitor calibrator--Eye One aka i1 Display 2.

if you not willing to spend that amount of money, try this Monitor calibration and gamma by Norman Koren. you will have to use your eyes to judge, human eyes are easily fool though. if you spend one hour reading under incandescent bulb, you would think the white paper is white; likewise for fluorescent lamp.


QUOTE(-kytz- @ Aug 2 2010, 02:04 PM)
How about this? http://techcentral.my/gadgetsandapps/revie...Gadgets_Reviews

Seems like it has good colour accuracy,plus it's LED backlit.Not too familiar with monitors these days but another consideration would be the Dell U2311H which is an IPS panel,pretty good from what i hear smile.gif

Or want to follow uncle ian,buy iMac straight away biggrin.gif
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How the reviewer came out with the "accurate color" conclusion is not known to the reader. a TN monitor has accurate color out-of-the-box? possible but very unlikely, actually none from the many reviews I read, eg. PRAD. OTOH, U2311H is proven to have one of the best out-of-the-box color accuracy:

TFT Central
FlatpanelsHD.

if you think iMac is good for image editing, google for iMac calibration, like this.
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post Aug 4 2010, 11:39 PM

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HP ZR24W or get U2410 and use sRGB color mode.
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post Aug 18 2010, 09:02 PM

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QUOTE(cpmboy @ Aug 18 2010, 03:18 PM)
does the 2209WA has HDCP??......
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yes, all the spec you need to know about 2209WA is at Dell website.

for some reason, LYN replace R E F I D to LYN. WTF?

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