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post May 21 2010, 01:53 AM

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Been interested in this monitor too.

Only review so far that I've found on the net.
http://www.htmlvalidator.com/CSEForum/view...c.php?f=6&t=921

Pictures look alright but still not sure about the image quality.

Question for you guys:

I'm coming from dual 2007WFP (S-IPS) panels (1 portrait, 1 landscape) and before that I never really noticed any ghosting or even any defects while watching Blu-Ray 720p rips or even playing games, as apparently those days the S-IPS were reported to be around 16ms GtG?

1. So, would I see an increased performance by selling both of these and upgrading to a 2xU2311H instead?

2. Would the eIPS lose out to the S-IPS in terms of IQ, clarity, text sharpness, etc?

Thanks for the honest answers.

Edit: Should I basically estimate that the performance of the U2311H should be similiar to the 2209WA as they both seem to be using the same lot of eIPS panels?
So whatever applies to the 2209WA reviews should generally be the same for the U2311H (assuming that the U2311H is slightly better)?

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post May 21 2010, 10:19 AM

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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ May 21 2010, 09:04 AM)
U2311H review:
Had look through the brief review of the panel, looks great (in a distance) and the black can be considered better than the 30" (Is that a TN or IPS?)
But still no backlight bleeding test or any other much detail graphics quality test, was hoping the graphics would look more natural to please everyone's eye sweat.gif
Edit:
Just notice it's already been calibrated with tool, so I won't say this is good out from the box, are those calibration different from other monitors (same manufacturing date)? Probably can get his calibration and input to newly purchase so I won't need to spend $ on the calibration tool.
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That definitely is a 2x30" 2560x1600 Dell S-IPS setup with the 2xU2311H also.. so I'm still wondering whether it's worth it to sell of my current dual setup and get the newer U231H dual setup.


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QUOTE(wildwestgoh @ May 21 2010, 09:04 AM)
U2311H review:
Had look through the brief review of the panel, looks great (in a distance) and the black can be considered better than the 30" (Is that a TN or IPS?)
But still no backlight bleeding test or any other much detail graphics quality test, was hoping the graphics would look more natural to please everyone's eye sweat.gif
Edit:
Just notice it's already been calibrated with tool, so I won't say this is good out from the box, are those calibration different from other monitors (same manufacturing date)? Probably can get his calibration and input to newly purchase so I won't need to spend $ on the calibration tool.
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That definitely is a 2x30" 2560x1600 Dell S-IPS setup with the 2xU2311H also.. so I'm still wondering whether it's worth it to sell of my current dual setup and get the newer U231H dual setup.

*Most important is backlight bleeding + black levels + image quality. Ghosting or high speed panels doesn't really bother me that much (to an acceptable degree)

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post May 23 2010, 02:16 AM

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Ok, boils down to the price now.

Decided to sell both my 2007WFPs.

Is it wiser to get 1x U2410 or 2x U2311H?

I know that I am not a very serious gamer (input lag and slight ghosting is OKAY for me) but picture quality must be excellent for like webpage viewing, document (sharpness of text) and day-to-day activities.

Have been out of the IPS scene for quite some time so I would like to hear some thoughts from you guys. Whether this eIPS panel is worth the investment or is just crap anyway.
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post May 23 2010, 05:00 PM

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QUOTE(everling @ May 23 2010, 01:55 PM)
If you didn't had an issue in regards to screen area, 1920x1080 vs 1920x1200, you probably should go for dual U2311H. No idea on eIPS.
A friend linked this to me: Response Times: How Fast Is Fast Enough?
The conclusion is that response times are actually far higher than what is published in the specs. And blur is not detectable in video but is in more artificial settings like scrolling web pages and gaming.
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The 1080 vertical resolution is actually quite important for me actually, since I really need more space vertically rather than horizontally, but this can be mitigated by using 1 of the dual setups in portrait mode..

Here's one question for the recent users (U2410, U2711), does the screen quality decrease @ portrait mode?

This is because for my previous (still using) setup of dual 2007WFPs, the text sharpness in vertical mode decreases as I believe it's due to the pixel structure.. it's more 'rectangular' rather than 'squarish' so text when displayed at the portrait mode slightly blurs up the text as compared to the native settings @ landscape mode.

Any input on this? About to pull the trigger for dual U2311H for better or worse as I did not notice any significant ghosting issues even with the 2007WFP's 16ms GtG.

PS: Why is dell totally ignoring the professional market but releasing IPS panels @ Full HD/HD resolutions as these are LCD monitors, not LCD TVs.
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post May 23 2010, 11:32 PM

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To be honest, I'd take an IPS over a TN monitor over any day, here are my reasons:

1. Our internet is too slow to be too concerned for fragging rights unless of course, you got UniFi (and therefore you are exempted from this argument)

2. From out of 10 times that you were fragged, you cannot blame the input lag and the speed for your lack of skills in the game whatsoever, if those are really important to you, get a nice Sony Trinitron flat CRT or something. Best for gaming, nearly-zero input lag and fastest panel.

3. Picture quality - IPS wins for both pictures and most multimedia applications.

4. Picture quality 2 - IPS panels are generally higher resolution than their TN counterparts (not sure how true is it now), eg 8-bit U2311H panels vs 6-bit TN panels? or the 10-bit U2410 panel vs similar 24" 8-bit TN panels.

5. IPS has better greys and blacks for CCFL technology if compared to TN panels using CCFL backlit as well, so unless future IPS monitors are backlit, they might be losing out to the current TN market but the overall picture quality makes up for it..

PS: Point 5 aside, why are not manufacturers moving towards LED backlit for most IPS panels? Only one I've seen are the Apple monitors and yuck, they are glossy.
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post May 24 2010, 10:42 PM

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QUOTE(BeastX @ May 24 2010, 09:36 AM)
Resolution does not equal to colour depth.
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Yeah, meant to say colour depth (the resolution of the colour palette) instead of resolution, thanks for the correction.

QUOTE(gstoh @ May 24 2010, 08:21 PM)
I meant to say under RM2k. tongue.gif
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post May 27 2010, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(UltraConductor_41 @ May 27 2010, 07:28 PM)
For IPS panel, there is something call "IPS glow" which is commonly mistaken by consumer as backlight bleeding. smile.gif Try to see the LCD using different angle...if the white part change with angle...mean its a IPS glow... if the white part fixed no matter which angle u look from, its a backlight bleeding.
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Well, on my older Dell 2007WFPs, they were more orangish than whitish, so maybe newer IPS glows are slight whitish?

BTW, just ordered 2xU2311Hs, if I don't like the reduction in 120 pixels, then wait to see it at Garage Sales section.
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QUOTE(GrIM @ May 28 2010, 04:31 PM)
I just bought a 2209wa brand new for RM529. an absolute steal for this good monitor. very satisfied with it. smile.gif
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post May 29 2010, 10:28 AM

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QUOTE(lazo @ May 28 2010, 08:00 PM)
any reason for you guys not choosing any 1920x1080 model instead of this dell 2209wa?
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For vertical work, you could always turn one of the monitors around in portrait mode, which is what I do.
1 landscape and 1 portrait. Best combo.

QUOTE(GrIM @ May 29 2010, 01:36 AM)
Thanks, 2 years warranty only though.

QUOTE(hazremi @ May 29 2010, 09:57 AM)
hi,i'm doing video editing in HD thus i need a monitor that is able to display 1920 x 1080 perfectly..can suggest me a good one?
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Most people would recommend you the newest U2211H or U2311H I guess, as it's using the IPS panel so better colour productivity as well as being moderately priced.
However, you must state your budget and try looking back a few pages or something.

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QUOTE(Cyclonechuah @ May 29 2010, 12:09 PM)
guys i just received my 2209wa, but something annoyed me with the screen. there's a minor colour changed on the left and right side of the screen(a lil bit), is this tinting issue? it's just a little bit only, other colours seems to okay, or abit darken.

my 2209wa is manufactured in december 2009, REV A01
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This might be the IPS glow effect. The colour change is sort of orangish/bluish on the dark background right?
This has always plagued IPS panels I believe, if not then maybe you have a defective monitor.
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QUOTE(captvizcenzo @ Jun 1 2010, 05:39 PM)
r u referring to my monitor that has the black patches? if yes, then u shouldn't be worried... it is my Benq at home, not the Dell that is with me right now... blush.gif
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Those look like marks where the monitor has been hit la bro.
You sure you don't have a BB shotgun at home? cool2.gif

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QUOTE(EyraYus @ Jun 10 2010, 09:35 PM)
Guys, need help.

My bro just bought a 23" lcd, and using 9800GT. I recommend him to change a better GC, and tell him to get the 5770 (for the DX11, less power consumed..)

Can the 5770 fully support the 23" at FullHD resolution? 1920x1080 right?

Thanks. BTW its a LG E2350 LED. He change after see me using Samsung B2330...wanna fight so he buy LED monitor..
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Even 5750 @ 1920x080 yields pretty decent framerates so I shouldn't worry too much about that.

QUOTE(munak991 @ Jun 10 2010, 10:15 PM)
GOT my U2410 got 1 dead colour pixel what to do T_T!
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Ouch, maybe you can try to rub the pixel if it's the case of a stuck pixel.
Or you could try this program, I did but it didn't help much.

I'm sure your panel has no warranty right? If not also wont come here to seek help.
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QUOTE(BeastX @ Jun 11 2010, 12:01 PM)
I think this is the cheapest option.... not bad... for an active converter
http://cgi.ebay.com.my/DP-Display-Port-Dis...=item2a05e335ab

will be able to drive 6-edition and 5-edition 5-series without going fall DP monitors and do it rather cheaply too...

only with 162MHz RAMDAC... limited to 1920x1200 displays...
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So what you're saying is that for cards like 5770, the DP port on the card itself is passive while for the 58x0 series, the DP port is already active in the card itself?

What about those Eyefinity editions? Those would definitely be all powered DP up to a limit of 6?
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post Jun 23 2010, 04:54 PM

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QUOTE(zad78 @ Jun 23 2010, 04:07 PM)
huh? what England is this????
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QUOTE(mark @ Jun 29 2010, 10:06 AM)
New toys just arrived today smile.gif

Gonna have to clean up my desk first before setting up!
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Mmm.. dual portrait or dual landscape or?
I bought 2 but 1 still lying brand new in box, havent even open.
Have to clean up my table first. biggrin.gif

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QUOTE(mark @ Jun 29 2010, 12:32 PM)
Haha same here, need to clean up table first biggrin.gif

Planning to go dual landscape, and maybe pivot one to portrait when I read e-books. Dual portrait too narrow la... need at least triple portrait ohmy.gif
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Planning for a tri-protrait setup too... tongue.gif
I'm still waiting on Dell to give me a quote on one of those Ergotron dual monitor arms.. (so I can do dual landscape up/down, portrait left/right)

Still no reply though.
PS: Plan to get monitor arms together?! rclxms.gif
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QUOTE(V3nz @ Jun 30 2010, 12:15 AM)
hey mark,do they come with the dvi cable? hmm.gif
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Yes they do come with DVI and VGA, but no Displayport only.
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post Jul 2 2010, 09:15 PM

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Philips 240PW9EB - 24" (Singapore has them for SGD$750)
Eizo (expensive)
NEC (expensive)
HP 24 (forgot the model, should be slightly cheaper than Philips)

Oh yeah, not forgetting Apple's glossy LED backlit 24" and 30".

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But seriously, I really love Dell's design.
I find that their design is superior, the stand is stable.
And their design can only be beaten by some of Eizo's models, well partly due to the fact that I'm a sucker for industrial/understated aesthetics.
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post Jul 9 2010, 01:35 PM

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I have 2 U2311H for sale if anyone is interested.
Willing to exchange for a U2410.

Any takers?
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post Jul 11 2010, 12:18 PM

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Let me post some pics on one of my (soon to be gone) U2311H.

Black background, this is slightly exaggerated due to the camera's settings.
Taken @ F2.0 at 1/2s @ ISO80.
user posted image

White background
F2.0 @ 1/8s @ ISO80
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And some Ratatouille!
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Reason for edit: Add Ratatouille pic

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