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ALeUNe
post May 12 2010, 05:18 PM

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QUOTE(dunkiedonuts @ May 11 2010, 06:40 PM)
Hi all. Looking for a desktop replacement notebook for home usage. Requirements include basic features (surf the net, office applications, movies etc) and adobe premiere pro, photoshop applications. Prefer screen size above 15 inches. Thanks a lot.
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Adobe Premier? Photoshop?

Honestly speaking, NO notebook with the price range of RM3k can replace desktop.

2 reasons,
No.1)
Turtle-speed notebook HDD.
You NEVER have the feeling like using desktop due to the SLOW notebook HDD. It's kinda jerky and slow response (this is why people try to mod their Velociraptor to fix in notebook laugh.gif).
Solution: SSD or at least 7200rpm HDD

No.2)
Processor power. Both mobile i3 & i5 processors are always SLOWER than desktop processor.
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php
Therefore, you will NEVER have the smooth feeling like on desktop (don't forget mobile processor tend to throttle to save power).
So, the nearest thing you can get (that close to "desktop) is i7 mobile processor with 4 cores & 8 threads.
You can really feel i7 notebook as smooth as desktop (this is one of the reasons why I dumped my i7 desktop for i7 notebook).
Moreover, you're on Adobe Premier & Photoshop. i7 should be the right choice for you.
Solution: i7 notebook, 4 core & 8 threads. Start having the smooth feeling again.

In short, if possible, top up RM400-800 for i7 notebook + RM400-700 for SSD.
You will not be regret for this upgrade.

Good luck.

P/S The cheapest i7 notebook is about RM3400 (go check from notebook garage sale) or RM3799 (Acer 5745G). Both without SSD.

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post May 13 2010, 12:03 AM

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I repeat
Point 1) You need pretty fast HDD.
You can't do raid 0 in normal notebook. So, SSD is your best bet.
Note: 7200rpm notebook HDD is not as fast as 7200rpm desktop HDD.
http://www.adobe.com/products/premiere/systemreqs/


Point 2) You need a quad.
Some said i7 is overkill. Some say Q6600 is doing a decent job.
These guys are talking about desktop processor.
For notebook, the nearest performance to desktop Q6600 and also nearest to your budget is i7 720Q
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/264258-3...-adobe-premiere
http://www.cpubenchmark.net/cpu_list.php

Choice is yours.

P/S Member also recommend bigger capacity of memory. Do consider 8GB memory too. Another RM400 for the memory.
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post May 14 2010, 02:23 AM

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QUOTE(JackAlvins @ May 13 2010, 12:48 PM)
TS, just look at a Toshiba or Asus line of laptops. Pick a few that you like then get back to us. It's because of this:
http://www.engadget.com/2009/11/17/laptop-...a-win-hp-fails/
Ignore the Sony one. That's because they don't have a large enough sample due to their products being overpriced.
Also, it's better you get a hands on test on a few of these laptops yourself first to narrow down your choices. Then, it's easier for us to help you.
Nice try, Xzbiteve Jobs.
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QUOTE(JackAlvins @ May 13 2010, 12:48 PM)
YO DAWG, BUY A MAC LAPTOP AND UPGRADE EVERYTHING INSIDE!
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QUOTE(JackAlvins @ May 13 2010, 12:48 PM)
YO DAWG, BUY AN IPAD WITH SEPARATE KEYBOARD AND USE CELLOTAPE TO GLUE THOSE TWO TOGETHER AND ADD MOAR RAM IN THE RAM COZ WE KNOW YOU LIKE RAM!
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Upgrade MAC Laptop?
No need. MAC has got the newest i7 with SSD.
You have the option to upgrade to 8GB ram too.
It's meant to replace desktop and also that crappy ipad. laugh.gif
http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/specs.html


Added on May 14, 2010, 2:37 am
QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ May 13 2010, 10:52 AM)
comparison between 5400rpm and 7200rpm just about the same. yes, the different can be feel when games/program load but the margin is not too massive. yet, people willing to choose 7200rpm since the price is almost in same range as 7200rpm.

SSD? bah. with that budget, thats the last thing i would recommend. everyone knows why. rolleyes.gif

somehow i gotta agree with i7-720. but you can use large amount or ram to compensate if you are not using i7. i think its more logical, but different price for different specs.
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No, for notebook, you can tell the difference between 5400rpm and 7200rpm.
For desktop, you can tell the difference between 7200rpm and 10000rpm.
SSD is much faster than desktop 10000rpm HDD.
Yes, it's a massive performance boost for notebook in that sense.

Read my post#16, i said he couldn't get "desktop replacement notebook" with the budget of RM3K.
I made points. I said he needed to top up a bit if he wanted a "desktop replacement notebook".

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post May 14 2010, 03:24 PM

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QUOTE(astria @ May 14 2010, 09:11 AM)
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u still dun get the main pt, do u???

budget aside (which already is the biggest reason why SSD is not feasible), SSD dun ve the speed needed to deal with LARGE files... by large i mean hundreds of MB or even GB... they excel in burst reading, but not continuous reading...

it's very simple to see... try copying dramas/anime from ur so-called fast thumbdrive/SD card and external 3.5" HDD... the difference is obvious...

u seem to be in ur own performance lala land, thinking watever works for u will work for others as well... but sorry, most of us here are after performance : price ratio, which is wat TS needs since he has a budget to begin with...
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I stand on my points.
I have been transferring 50-60GBs of MKVs from SSD to SSD, from SSD to HDD, from HDD to SSD, from SSD to USB 2.0 HDD etc.
What continuous reading are you talking about? I see it transferring files fast. It doesn't suffer from transferring huge file.

I have been overclocking my PCs in the past 20 years. I know what is cost vs performance.
Is price paid on SSD worth it? Absolutely yes.
How so? Because this is the freaking BEST hardware add-on to your notebook that can freaking boost the performance.
Name me ONE hardware for notebook that can boost the performance like SSD.
Think again, is it worth the price? Yes.
You pay what you get. I give my advice - the decision is on the buyer.

Spending on SSD is much better than spending on premium brand like Alienware, Sony etc.
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post May 14 2010, 03:28 PM

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QUOTE(BBXiong @ May 14 2010, 12:30 PM)
ya la....he keep fail to notice that TS is under a tight budget...core i7 is expensive and out of reach for 3k budget...
i guess TS you should just consider Dell Vostro, maybe Asus if u can get decent spec....if u want gaming..i think before this i saw on ebay got Asus's Refurbished G51 that's using GTX260M, price + import is around 2.7k, but draw back is US warranty only, and warranty only for 3 months...
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You failed to read.

Read my post again, I speak from the viewpoint of getting a "desktop replacement notebook".
I made my points,
1) i7
2) SSD
3) He can't get "desktop replacement notebook" with 3K.


Added on May 14, 2010, 3:29 pm
QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ May 14 2010, 03:27 PM)
emm soooo sir, for conclusion, what is the best model that have all the criteria that you want and suit TS budget, again?
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The conclusion is, he can't get a "desktop replacement" notebook with 3K.
Desktop is still faster and better option in that sense.

Is it so difficult to understand?

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post May 14 2010, 03:39 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ May 14 2010, 03:33 PM)
'Desktop Replacement' typed is created for a reason.

simple. the reason is we want portability. EVERYONE know its stupid to compare real desktop with desktop-replacement desktop.

do you understand that in the first place?

/no offense.
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Do you read?
Read the #1 post again, he NEVER mentioned portability.
He wanted a notebook that can replace desktop.
I'm not going to recommend a notebook that runs slower than desktop.
I'm recommending a notebook setup that runs close to desktop performance.

It's not stupid.
Current i7 is already a breakthrough. Likewise the Radeon 5870. Likewise the SSD.
i7 + SSD + Rad5870 is already a pretty kickass desktop-replacement setup.
I have used and tested it. Yes, this setup is GOOD enough to replace desktop.
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post May 14 2010, 03:51 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ May 14 2010, 03:45 PM)
so creating thread in Mobile Computing does not concern with portability then? lulz.

yes, it is stupid. unless you willing to carry that tower + monitor + speaker + everything anywhere you go.

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So, you mean the i7 + SSD notebook is not portable?
Of course, I recommend a "desktop-replacement" notebook that is EQUALLY portable.
In fact, SSD is lighter than generic HDD.

Again thread starter did not ask for portability. Why divert to fit your illusion of portability?

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post May 14 2010, 04:00 PM

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QUOTE(jotaro12 @ May 14 2010, 03:57 PM)
Can it totally decrease a laptop's weight by 10%?? If it's 5%, then there's no meaning at all since you won't feel much about it.
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I know. Read my point again, it's EQUALLY portable.
In fact, I'm not the one that raise the "portability".

I'm recommending a "desktop-replacement" notebook.
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post May 14 2010, 04:19 PM

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QUOTE(Mr.Docter @ May 14 2010, 04:00 PM)
listen here my VIP friend.

1 - i (we?) do not have problem with your suggestion of i7 & SSD. because what you said is true - it is powerful. no one dare to doubt that since it is a fact.

2 - the problem is when you keep stressing that fact, yet TS budget is not sufficient to afford that.

3 - since TS is insufficient funds to buy a desktop replacement laptop, you suggest to go for desktop instead because its cheaper yet powerful.

4 - when i said desktop replacement is created for portability, you'd answer TS does not want/care about portability since he'd not mention it in the first post.

5 - i answer back - so posting in Mobile Computing thread instead of Desktop thread have nothing to do with portability?

6 - then you told me that i am divert this discussion.

everything is related. its just up to ones wheter he can relate it or not.
/anything that i missed, fella?
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Did you miss something?
Yes.

I repeat, he can't get desktop replacement with the budget of 3K.
If he can't afford, it is better to stick to his desktop (unless he's using an ancient P4 and an ancient version of Adobe Premier Pro).
I repeat, I'm not going to recommend a notebook that runs slower than desktop.
I don't advise him to downgrade.
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post May 14 2010, 04:37 PM

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QUOTE(astria @ May 14 2010, 04:28 PM)
u still fail to grab the pt of desktop replacement did u??? doh.gif

who says that a desktop replacement must come with i7 in the first place???

the main pt of a desktop replacement needs only to provide the experience of using a desktop while facing only a laptop...

and by that, the emphasis is on the monitor size...

if only i7 QM + SSD + HD5870 is a desktop replacement (desktop equivalent would be i7 800 series + SSD + HD5770), then tell me, wat's a desktop with Pentium G6950 + WD Caviar Green 320GB + Intel GMA HD? is that not a desktop?
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What is Intel G6950? I don't know what is G6950.
Assuming this is desktop, i think it's old desktop. WD Green 320GB? It pales when it compares to Velociraptor.
SSD is the "faster than Velociraptor" for notebook.
Moreoever, 7200rpm notebook HDD is slower than desktop WD Green 7200rpm 320GB.
So, moving from WD Green 7200rpm 320GB to 7200rpm notebook HDD is a DOWNGRADE.

I'm not suggesting thread starter to spend 3K to downgrade system (unless he owns a P3 or P4 desktop system).
Who fails to understand desktop-replacement notebook?

This post has been edited by ALeUNe: May 14 2010, 04:38 PM

 

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