My uncle bought a Sony Blu-Ray player last year, he seldom use it cause the BD movie is just too expensive and he usually will only borrow those older movies from friends to watch it. Yesterday I bought the Avatar BD form local store and trying to rip into my POHD, but unfortunately the version of the ripper unable to rip the disc due to latest protection and need to download update patch, but when I click on the update button, there will show "no update available for this moment". So I just take the Avatar BD to my uncle house to watch it, to my surprise, the Sony Blu-ray also having problem to playback the disc, say something like please send to uptade firware. I was wondering why Sony want to do all these mess and give a lot of trouble to customer, we pay everything and still unable to watch it, now i have to send my uncle Blu-ray player for update. Yesterday I did call to ask the shop where my uncle bought the player, the guy said need to wait until Tuesday for the Sony guy to come. We as consumer, just want to watch a HD movie in the comfortable and simplest way, but Sony just create a lot of problem to us.

Because all this copy protection is not for the consumer benefit but their wallet. A lot of issues such as HDMI handshake, audio dropout is due to protection protocol issue. It's funny that when you read a comment someone bought the original disc but have to download a rip version to play the movie. They are driving consumer to look for alternative ways to watch the movie.

Imagine asking your grandma to update the firmware.

Dude, what Sony BD player model is your uncle using? I suspect it's either BD-S350 or 360. In either case, you can update online yourself without needing the service guy. But of course, you need to connect your BD player to internet la. Sony BD players are one of the most playable brand around.

First, I think you can only blame Sony on some part but not all cause it is 21th Centurey Fox (or whoever) decide to use new protection method on Avatar.

To my surprise, our dear forumer, maskedchan, had mentioned that his Panasonic BD player never update firmware but still can play Avatar without problem. (Maskedchan, please correct me if I am wrong. )

Update firmware is not too difficult, go to Sony's website, download latest firmware and follow Sony's instruction on update firmware procedures. This part, I believe, comsumers should do it themselves unless their truly don't know how.

This post has been edited by low98944: May 10 2010, 11:28 AM

Don't underestimate old people these days I read somewhere in this forum that a forummer's gradma bought an HDTV to play Street figher 4 on her PS3

This post has been edited by putih: May 10 2010, 11:27 AM

I read that too.

just throw away bluray into basket

now with media player, we can watch bluray movie easy,

i dont have any problem with Blu-ray with my panasonic player...
not even need to update any firmware

No need the Sony BD player to be connected to the internet. Just go the website, and download the firmware, then burn into a disc.

Just put the disc into the BD, and follow the instructions. i did that for my S350 when it could not play T2:Skynet Edition. After the firmware update, no problem anymore.

Hope Avatar will not give me any issues later.

This post has been edited by de_lasoul: May 10 2010, 11:46 AM

technology can be quite a biatch at times...

Shouldn't you be able to download the firmware update into a USB thumb drive and use it to update the player? That's if you don't have it connected to the internet...

Yes, I know can be updated through website, but the problem is my uncle house doesn't have any internet connection, so unable to do the update on the spot. I just damn miss the old day DVD, no such issue and can be played any DVD. would like to ask if we updating the firmware half way and suddenly the electricity power broken, what will happen to the player? Sony and Fox video did all the copy protection also useless, some of the hacker just need a few munites to crack the protection, Sony already knew this, why they still want to do those useless protections? Didn't they know that the customer who buy the player and the disc suffer the most? If they really want to prevent from people copy the disc illegally and sell at Pasar Malam, then please lower down the price for the Blu-ray movies, not do all those useless copy protection give a lot of troubles to us.

It's not only Sony's BD player are affected by the BD+ code change. Others too. Next time do your research before posting a knee-jerk reaction about this.

And yes, it has happened before when BDs with Java first launched.
So if one day they decide not to release any of their films because of piracy, this would really be good for consumers because... ? Try seeing the issue fairly from both sides.

This only happens when software and firmware were produced without following the protocol and standard industry practices.

Somebody who can't get Avatar BD to play because of firmware issue then download a ripped version to watch it, obviously isn't doing much to search for a solution to the original problem.

And how did you get that movie?


fuad

This post has been edited by writesimply: May 10 2010, 12:26 PM

i know DRM is bad, but if u r actually Sony and u're seeing pirated BD out there or BD torrents on the internet, what would u do? better yet, if u created something that's original and awesome, but i duplicated ur work and sold it for 1/2 the price (i do not care if u're selling it for RM1 only), what would u do?

there will never be a win-win situation until everyone starts playing nice. so u'll have to live with whatever Sony tells u to do or u can go back and exchange ur BD for the DVD version.

Donno why TS blame Sony. You should have bought a media player instead of BD player if you wanna play BD RIP movie. And again, if money is an issue, why'd you buy a BD player in the first place? Knowing the BD player itself already expensive more over the Blu Ray Disc

Because all blu-ray copyrights owned by Sony. And all these copy protections also made by Sony. If you buy a Panasonic, Sharp, Pioneer... blu-ray player, you also paying to Sony as well. I was just wondering why Toshiba given up the HD DVD battle, if Toshiba win the battle, maybe Toshiba won't change all these copy protection continuosly.

This post has been edited by hosiery2u: May 10 2010, 03:19 PM

maybe Toshiba gave up the battle becoz Toshiba LOST the battle?

Why buy BD player when you can get a PS3 instead?

I understand ur frustrations but I don't think ur statements are accurate. BD patents are held mostly by the membes of BDA. There is a consortium of companies that worked on the technology after initial work by Sony/Philips and Sony/Pioneer. Also copy protections (BD+ is done by Cryptography Research). The copy protection is being pushed by the studios mainly. Let's not go back to the HD-DVD/BD war, its done and we shd move on.

Some of the studios are paranoid about piracy hence all this protection. Whether it is really helping to curb piracy, remains to be seen as witnessed by the fact that it did not stop people from getting "copies" of their blockbusters....

why i wan expensive PS3 instead can get a BD player for 399?

Maybe it's my wrong to compare with sony's BD player.
http://www.sonystyle.com.my/ProductListing....aspx?catid=184

eh.. which BD player is priced at RM399? I wanna get one for my parents...

Probably you've misread TS's post. Its about Sony BD player.

Which BD Player sold at RM399? Your BD player ke? . I want

This post has been edited by sKyWiR3pT3lTd: May 11 2010, 12:47 AM

Wrong. The patents for the physical disc belongs to Sony AND Philips, who so happens also invented the Compact Disc.

But a Blu-ray Disc has more than just the physical patents (how the physical structure of disc is made). It has patents on the blue/purple laser used, the algorithm from which data error correction is made, the hard-coating used, the video encoding methods used (each of the MPEG-2, VC-1 and MPEG-4 have over a hundred companies holding patents), the audio encoding methods (the PCM standard, Dolby and DTS) as well as the Java scripts used.

Wrong. There are TWO copy protection schemes that can be employed on a pre-recorded video BD. One is AACS, which is owned by AACS LA a consortium made up of many CE companies AND Hollywood studios, one of them is Toshiba. The other is BD+, which is by Cryptography Research.

BD+ is an optional encryption and almost always used by Lionsgate and 20th Century Fox. Fox is the studio that insisted on BD+ to be a part of the BD standard. Otherwise, they would not have committed to BD.

And just so you know, AACS was also used on HD-DVDs.

Wrong. If you buy a Panasonic, Sharp or Pioneer BD player, those companies get their own share of royalties because they own patents pertaining to the BD standard. Panasonic may even get the biggest share.

Let's see why Toshiba gave up the HD-DVD battle... 1) they sold their first and second gens at 1/5th the cost of making them without ever hoping to recoup the cost (they sell hardware not software); 2) those players were basically a PC running off a software with a GPU, which meant that startup and playback is really slow; 3) the capacity is only up to 30GB which means that for a 3-hour long movie, the video bitrate will suffer and there would not be lossless audio; and 4) after Paramount betrayed the BDA by siding with HD-DVD late 2007, Warner (which owns the rights to distribute HBO content as well as New Line) sided with the BDA exclusively on January 4th 2008 and within three weeks Paramount and Universal followed suit.


fuad

There are many BD player sold at that price range. Try to look at Garage Sales >> Home Electronics & Homewares section

I think i know where to find the blu-ray players, and at the moment i dont need one , as i own Sony BD-ROM

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...47&hl=bd+player
nope...
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...14&hl=bd+player
nope...
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...16&hl=bd+player
nope...
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...18&hl=bd+player
nope...
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...14&hl=bd+player
nope...
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...84&hl=bd+player
nope...
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1417150
nope...
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1408560
nope...
http://forum.lowyat.net/topic/1360004
nope...

too good to be true...
wth rite, I got the 'expensive' ps3 already.

hmmm...

masked and max.. can post up a link?

$399 no wonder cannot play la...

It have been quite sometimes that PS3 is not longer the cheapest players that can play blu-ray movies.

I think ps3 never been the cheapest, only the value for buck factor caught my interest.
With all the constant firmware update and the new 3D capability (3D movie later this year and minus the otherOS removal, lol),
its worth it to have 1. Btw, ps3 too is getting cheaper though.

This post has been edited by MatchMaker: May 11 2010, 12:59 PM

I tink sum ppl forget tat de ps3 is first a gaming machine .. n tat it plays bd mvs [well] too is an advantage.. no..
For a non gamer like me to hv one jus to play bd's is remarkable in itself.. IMO.. O ya it was de cheapest bang for buck [+ it being best rvwd player] player , then..

D

Because it does EVERYTHING.

lol.

This post has been edited by iv'N: May 11 2010, 01:37 PM

Did you know that occasionally, Amazon do sale Panasonic BD60 slightly more than $100+. After covert to RM, it is less than RM399. The only problem is you need an additional transformer to convert input voltage...

i said for that price range. RM400+

PHILIPS-BDP-3000 - RM 465

http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopic=1082455&hl=blu

My google search still returns a $199 BD60 from amazon.
$199 + shipment + additional transformer + no built-in Wi-Fi + no free game demo...

//I'm a fanboyz anyway

This post has been edited by MatchMaker: May 11 2010, 02:29 PM

You should know that Amazon's price is changing frequently. That's why I said occasionally la. But if you plan to get from Amazon, for Panasonic, better get latest version, BD65 which currently cheaper than BD60.

This post has been edited by low98944: May 11 2010, 02:24 PM

It’s a blue ray player not a blu-ray player
Okay that one got a reasonable price tag.

Ahhh? Blue Ray player?

Guys, please la. I;m sure it's just a typo.

http://www.consumer.philips.com/c/blu-ray-...3000_05/prd/gb/

ya la, please accept my sarcasm

My sarcasm sensor is broken.

Wah, those cheap BD player, will it get firmware update? If later got new movie suddenly added another let say BD2+, then need to update the firmware again to watch it. I was wondering will it the way they will force us to change the player every let say 5 years or something like that so like Sony, Panasonic, Pioneer... can get business, not like last time, a dvd player can last up to 10 years and without any problem to play latest dvd. Maybe this is their tactic to get more sales.

umm... who knows.

anyway, I met an old man at SenQ yesterday, he was testing ori and non-ori BDs there and talking about upgrading to a 10k LED TV... not sure if he faced any problems with his BD player or not.. maybe if I see him the next time, I'll ask.. hehe

lol buy 10k tv but still use non ori BDs
its like buying ferrari but pump ron 95
wat la the uncle

johnny82: Well its better than pumping V-power into his Kancil

This post has been edited by netherlord: May 12 2010, 12:04 AM

I'm sure that he will have problem forwarding + rewinding
Tried those BDR on PS3 before.

Just support original la

Hehe I like your counter argument.

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Added on May 12, 2010, 10:52 amYeah, support original , but imported from amazon can la. If buy ori RM150 per BD locally, pokai la.

This post has been edited by putih: May 12 2010, 10:52 AM

Thanks

I sapport Ori also but buying Ori Blu-ray is still considered a "Luxury" item for me now. Too many spending and too little Income are putting a toll on my so called "Luxury" expenditure .

Back to TS main post. Yes although everything is mess up now but think of it this way, its far "BETTER" than using the famous line "Your player outdate already! Buy new one lo"

Think about it.

You go watch a movie in Town...
Parking = RM 6
Movie Ticket = RM 12 each x 2 = RM 24 (multiply with the number of dependant )

RM 30 gone just like on that day.
But if you buy a BD say from US range from 60 to 80 you can watch it over and over and over again

Luxury yes!!! but just buy wisely i.e. what you enjoy most la

A lot of people making noise about the Avatar Blu-ray disc unable to play back on the Blu-ray player, I thought only me got problem, when searching through the internet, found a lot of people facing this problem, some even ask for refund from the seller. Some said they will never buy any ori blu-ray anymore since pirated one sure can watch on the Blu-ray player, but ori one not 100% can play, this is a totally opposite situation last time when ori disc sure can play on the DVD player, but some pirated disc can't play. Don't know whether the ori companies are digging their own grave or not.

Pirated one also copied from ori blu-ray, maybe stripped out the extra features in order to fit into the BD25 single layer disc. With these extra features taken out, most player have no problem playing back the movie alone. So it seems like some of these extra features may not work with the firmware of certain blu-ray player and may require further update of the firmware to support it. So, it is nothing to do with the ori blu-ray disc but the player itself. Take example of PS3, no issue at all playing Avatar and in fact still hodling 100% playback record for whatever blu-ray movies thrown at it.

For me, the most important part is the quality of the disc, cause my damn Acer laptop very kiasu one, almost 60% of "ahem" Blu-ray wont run on it. So Ori + "ahem" video files is the ones that play normally.