This company Aeroswift Consultancy Sdn. Bhd. sounds very familiar.

Is there any link with the Hairy Crab?!

Since started involved in the industry, within few weeks noticed is wild wild con world out there. All pretending like sifus gurus more like hantus. Price marked up several times. Salt can be sold as secret recipe. Shit can be treated as gold! From head to toes every 'sifus' also want a chuck of you. And now the mighty government departments have just declare war to slaughter this industry.

1GP = rakyat ditendang macam anjing. Perhilitan boleh!

The only 'consolation' is there are many other industries suffer the same.

Seafood processing industry http://biz.thestar.com.my/news/story.asp?f...72&sec=business, seafood wholesalers where 'special' icebox is mandatory to be taken from one source, local cigar sunset industry which depends on the mercy on income tax dept yearly annoucement whether to treat them equal as major cigrette manufacturers whereby it will be as good as close shop, uncontrolled trawlings by local and foreign fishers even in the present of our marine guards and navy around causing extensive damages to fisheries ground, tender procedures of major gomen projects tat classified 'race' as main criteria ... and the latest world cup betting given to one party without proper open tender and the circus going on and on.

It is untolerated but it is a misfortune that many Malaysians prefer to keep quiet and see this evil force creep into their life. And yes, there is small number who speak out and it is increasing daily. Younger generations are getting more outspoken. Just see number of blogs growing each day. But unfortunatre many prefer to fight only when their backyard caught fire.

Friend of mine who owns 12-13 still continue to build w/o knowing what happen, another one saying all ok in Dato Beh's good hand!? Like to see MCA taikors response when own backyard caught fire.

Yes, we will act when time comes. In the mean time, putting up small flames and carry out small battles.

Never let my daughter says to me one day, 'Dad, why you sit silent and do nothing last time. It is too late to return. Now I have to follow great great grandpa time to migrate and suffer for the next generations to come! Because of the sins of your generation, we younger generations are paying the price now!!'

This post has been edited by Bobby C: May 14 2010, 01:48 PM

Perhilitan and DVS both having seperate work function, one in charged of wild protected animals, the other in charged of domesticated aninal.

Simple question is WHY WHY both departments want to take charge of swiftlet industry? Officers so hardworking ahh? Like ants go for the sugar ahh?

Swiftlet industry can only have either Perhilitan OR DVS and not both. It is like Tentera Di Darat want to go the sea and call themselves kami Tentera Di Raja Laut?!

Town swiftlets are categoried as aerodamus domesticus, which is not considered wild animal and they are so plenty, number exceeded extinction requrement.

Cave swiftlets, on the other hand, in the brime of extinction.

PERHILITAN should NOT ever seen in the towns and airports!!! They should stay in the jungle and protect wild swiftlet from the poachers. Even if they come to towns or airports, they should go after wild animal products from the jungle and caves and not SHOPHOUSES or FARMS!

Cave swiftlets in the brime of extinction and NOT town swiftlet OK!!

PERHILITAN, what are you doing here?!

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Added on May 17, 2010, 9:54 amTo be precise, ball carriers and shoes polishers are weekling, shameful and despised! Equivalent to do doggies going to its own vomit over and over again, over the past 51 yrs, while the puppies are dying of hungers/cold ....

if puppies dont stand up, one day even the doggie house will be so rotten and collapes, killing all, be it white,black,yellow,grey all die at the same doggie house!


This post has been edited by Bobby C: May 17 2010, 09:54 AM

Dato Beh basically saying in the market there are a few EBN processing companies using bleach to clean EBN, esp EBN from the cave to reduce time of getting rid of dirt and feathers. He is not surprise bleached EBN is available in the local market. Dato Beh is replying to an article in Spore LianHo paper reporting one forumer in the net eyewitness EBN processing in one company in Kota Bharu Kelantan using bleach. He encouraged gomen to expedite new GAPH guideline to regulate proper procedure to ensure good quality of EBN. GAPH shall cover 3 points which is farming, processing and exporting. He said at the moment no guidelines (?! is it), everyone follow self-regulation as such causing such problem. So he appeals to processors not to use bleach if any.

I think the question is:-

1. Is that the reason new GAPH only allow few processing companies to operate, so everyone in the country MUST go thru these few companies?

2. What so special abt these few processing companies? Why other cannot operate, if DVS is effective enough to monitor the industry? Unless you say otherwise.

3. These will encourage more redtapes/cronies in short.

Feel free to correct the above. Thks.

Just to clarify some statement above which might be mis-quote by unscupulous parties.

Remember 1-2 yrs ago there was a shortage of EBN in China due to discovery of some substance in Indo EBN and mik product in China? Malaysia EBN was in great demand and price skyrocketed.

So far Malaysia EBN especially from shophouses/farms reputable for not containing any bleach as the nests are naturally white and clean, used by birds one or twice before being harvested. Aerodamus fuciphagus in shophouses produce 100% salivar nest. Different from the species of swiftlet from the cave in Sarawak, which are mixture of AF and aerodamus maximus which produce black nest mixture of salivar and feathers, or serinti in Indo which produce nest mixture of saliver and grass. Both AM and serinti nests are much dirtier and need intense labour and sometimes use bleach to clean.

In short, bleach sometimes used in cave nests, not so much on nest from farms or shophouses as farm nests naturally whiter and cleaner as it is 'younger'.

Anyway, most people already know the above, just to clarify in case some reporters or anti swiftlet NOGs pick up wrong info and start stirring nonsense again.

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Added on May 18, 2010, 1:39 pmHi sensual,

In this industry there are tons scams and conmen. Those look like sifu, sounds like sifu, does not necessary sifu. Self-proclaimed sifu which can talk till bird walk down from tree lagi dangerous. As u read further, even the pagar want to eat padi!

A word of advice. Just read v1-v2 and learn more before you take a dive. There are so many books around nowaday.

Stocks are risky but do not mean all cannot buy.


This post has been edited by Bobby C: May 18 2010, 01:39 PM

I guess put in simpler words, we human like walet can hear below 20kHz. If you record your own voice in 5kHz range, and try to modify it into 15kHz and listen, probably you cant even recognise your own voice.

Same principle apply to this ultrasonic I suppose. If you wanna play ultrasonic sound of walet, you have to record original ultrasonic sound and play back, if tat possible. You cannot simply use normal <15kHz sound, modify to >40kHz and play with ultrasonic player. The bird like you cannot recognise even own voice in these range, even if it can hear the voice, the sound will be distorted. But according to research, audible sound for walet is <15kHz. Anything above is as good as useless. Pls correct if understanding not right. Thks.


Anyone knows any good place in KT for BHs viewing? Jalan-jalan makan angin at the island this wkend.

Tats life here in this Tidak-Apapa-Land my fren, unless you were born yesterday, dont know the people in the country. No point to shout lah bro.

Take a few eg which has nothing to do with swiftlet but causing major concern with the gomen procedures, integrity and responsibility to the citizens:-

1. Teo Beng Hock case. How many people here or in LY forum or in Klang valley actually came out from their cozy homes and tell the gomen, this is wrong, procedures is wrong, how can witness threated like criminals, for Rm2000 why need to interview overnight, how can witness released without his personally belongings, without signing off etc. I see more MU fans when MU in town than Kelana stadium or Chinese Assembly Hall. Shame to all rakayt.

2. Police shooting and killing of young boy in Shah Alam recently who was unarmed. Why bullet to the head, what the boy did? Who cares? Nobody did, life just gone. No one responsible.

3. Lingam correct correct ..........................................

No point to shout and claim hero cause majority prefer to care own eggs mah.

When fire starts burning eggs, then we will will come out from the nest and shout .. hooahhh we want to fight

Ok, lets get back to swiftlet, we have diverted.

This post has been edited by Bobby C: May 26 2010, 02:43 PM

CSL's son Chua Tee Yong, has been appointed Deputy Agriculture and Agro-based Industries Minister. May be he can help too.

Good good, vote Pakatan for Selangor for 5 yrs then vote them out thereafter.

5 yrs not long, but not short either esp for those who already reap profit. At least can buy some time. CK you laughing to bank lah.

Huhuhu in other states.


Anyway, anyone can recommend good black water paint with min smell tat will affect walet?

[quote=Cergau,Jun 11 2010, 08:39 AM]
Vote them out if they are just a re-branded BN.
Voting out a govt just to safe guard your interest is a little short sighted isn't it?
Sounds just like a certain Chinese based party being in BN/Alliance the past 50 years doesnt it?
Dun you think that it is this very thinking that we have all the leakages, corruption, cronyism that run into billions?
If it;s obviously bad, it's bad, one doesnt cover the bad so that the majority good pays the penalty for your bad?
Save your immediate future with whatever means for your children??? What kind of country do you think you will have left your children?
So why does one complain abt the govt spending your children's future away, while you do the same?
Just my 2 bit.

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Added on June 11, 2010, 8:44 am


In politics, nothing is permanent. There is no permanent enemy. There is no permanent CLEAN party. You can slowly see that even less than 1 term some members already jump ship or hanky panky behind the scene. People like LKS who will fight to the end without a datukship but ISA jail titles already almost exinct. Pls dont just read word by word from the above. Else, agree, it is pure shortsighted. It is good if can have at least two terms to clean up and nail down the permanently those buggers that rape the country. If they were good, then carry on. Else, change again. End of the day, what we like to see is a healthy two party system tats all. How sure are you PR wouldnt turn out to be DN one day?

Yup, population getting lesser. Even own relatives, at least 7 already terminate their citizenship in recent yr. 400k might turns out to be 800k. Anyway, just have to look at brighter sight, live below ur means and plan for tomm. Overseas moon does not guarantee rounder.

Similarly a rotten party does not mean all members are rotten.

Even the porn president (as some may call him) have my respect for being rational, dare to speak up when needed and did the right thing in the past where many have failed to do. Even got stripped naked he could climb up from the sh*t hole to become a president. Tabik! Even LKS said good things abt him when he got screwed by his own members in 2007 before stepping down. Real enemies in fact its own members. Similarly, not surprise our enemy are own asshociations heads. Go read history of formal communist party, how many got killed all because of one head who worked with the british, jap and own party.

Again, we human are not perfect, so no point act perfect/hero, or claim perfect/hero or try to be seen perfect/hero. Only end result will proof who is less evil. What we like to hear is what is the rational behind they made tat kind of decisions. Tats all.

Gosh, pls dont mentioned about tat char bee hoon and 2 stooges again. 3 crying babies combine really capsize the sinking boat even faster!

Go, check out what the crying baby said before 2008 abt isa and nep and what her usual job in pj during her term you will get what i mean.

CSL. No doubt plenty of skeletons but remember during his previous term as HM, he managed to ban usage of illegal growth hormone in pig farming, harmful medicine from china etc. Chinese got the highest cancer rate in the country. Partly because many past HM have been sleeping all the while!
Anyway, he has taken responsible, stepped down and re-elected. What else you want from him?

Disclaimer:- Respect does not mean support

Fair is fair, give what is due even if you hate him like mad.

quote=hackwire,Jun 11 2010, 07:47 PM
What i want from him?
1) take public transport to work
This one you have to check what Ah Ong, Ah Choy and Ah Leong Sick what they did in the past 20yrs to our dilapidated public transportation. I also want to know 2) wait in queue like any patient in public hospital
Have you been to the public hospital and see the difference since CSL. Which HM in this history of Malaysia or Malaysia Book of Record that visited 200+ hospital in less than 4 yrs and did the revamp? Our hospital cheapest bill in the world, what else you want to ask? Of course many more have to be done to revamp the system no doubt. Can it be undone one night with the system set up over the decades?
3) sent his children to public university.
His son did med in local uni with 2 of my old frens FYI

So what so good about cry baby Cha Bee Hoon ass then? Cleaning drain in PJ but forgetting potholes and missing manholes cover? Or 10k salary from Azalina as tour guide adviser to Ministry of Tourism? That kind of job not even in MP scope.

Your dream is to have a perfect president who is holly molly meditating 5 days a day, solve all problems in the country in 1yr, tat may be you can call tat Superman in your tv show or may be wet dream when wake up in the morning.

This post has been edited by Bobby C: Jun 12 2010, 12:13 PM

Referred to the allegation that 90% of BH in Selangor towns must shift out after 5 years, someone is not telling the truth, either Ronnie, Selangor BN Association or the reporter's error false reporting.

1. Ronie Liu refuted that these were proposed (by Selangor Gomen) and suggested voluntarily by the association itself. Similar to giving a bullet to a robber and tell the robber, shoot me pls.

2. Mr Koay, the President of the Selangor Bird’s Nest Merchant association had alleged that the Association could not agree and accept that the shop house type Bird Houses in town must move out after 5 years.

So who is the smart alec that suggested 5 yrs grace period?!

Ronnie, Mr Koay or Mr Reporter?!

Sound similar to someone during GAPH seminar in Seremban suggested to close all window/DK and change to airwell type. Basically before even sit down and negotiate, find a solution or proposed method/regulation/procedures to solve typical problems, association already telling them, here is the bullet and gun, shoot me please!

When we go for negotiation table or meeting, both parties will arm with guns and bullets (problems & solutions). There are limits of how much you can give or take. You cannot go to negotiation table and straight away, strip naked. Bring out your guns and bullets and tell the other party, 'shoot me pls'! What happening here?!

Went to KT recently. Recee around in town for 3 hrs walkathon. Most of the bhs there are either window or DK type. Noticed sound level from almost all bhs were well managed. Not too hard or loud causing irritation to the public compare to some other places. Except some need probably touch up to improve aesthetic look to keep the outlook of the town. Either association doing good job or shop owners are almost all co-operative, understand the implication, all work together to keep the industry in town. Well done KT folks!

This post has been edited by Bobby C: Jun 17 2010, 12:40 PM

Ratio of civil servants vs total population in this country same as Greece.

Greece just gone bankrupt and now bagger in Europe bagging around like doggies in the hawker centres.

Are we learning something out of this? Or are we waiting to get knocked on the head then only wake up from wet dream?


Hello Mr Civil Servants,

Please note that in the past, you name were government servants. Government servants in the past were lansi, arrogant as if whole world own him/her a living.

In this new age, your name no longer government servants. Your name now call Civil Servants. Civil servants serve the rakyat. Government servants serve only the government, arrogance and ignore rakyat plight.

Things have changed. Berubah sebelum Diubah.

If you still think you have iron rice bowl and try to break others clay bowls like robbers of the day, just be prepared to get terminated very soon. Very soon indeed.

This post has been edited by Bobby C: Jun 18 2010, 06:40 PM

Not forgetting those live under pension. How much pension are we giving out every yr, to those legible and worst not legible? Multiple tens of billions.

But fair is fair, salaries in the past were low, we cannot just take away their pensions tomorrow and ask them to minta sedekah. We cannot over generalised and say all civil servants are incompetence, corrupt, lazy, self-serving etc.

I have work with some highly competence, always able to reach and replied enquires in detailes. Unfortunately after yr or two, begin sent to PM dept, probably spotted of their potential. Then things again fall back to squire one. Replaced with civil servants who like to say, 'I don't know', 'I feel so', 'I hope so', 'I guess so' or 'I'm on kopi break?!

Those who are found to be incompetent and corrupted etc must be warned, failure which futher action must be taken eg. termination either job contract or future pension, as a lesson esp to those who are still living in their wet dream.

Country is bleeding to dead, are we rakyat still want to sit still and watch?

Cut subsidies if was good, then cut pensions too esp to those corrupted and incompetent fellows.

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Added on June 21, 2010, 10:17 amInvolvement of foreign investors can be either positive or negative.

Again no offence just share thoughts. Rompin-Pekan use to be famous area for offshore fishing esp during sail sailfish season. During this peak seasons, most trips have be pre-booked for months, some even paid in advance. Unfortunately during the day of your trip, skippers made last min cancellation and gave your trip to some other group (from down south) who can offer 50% above market value. Many complaints have been ignored, so you just have to accept that's the way it works. If you can 'kopi' the skippers last min, you can grab away rights of others.

Similarly, no surprise some rich guys down south who can set up ecoparks and work hand in hand with those drafting the regulations so that the new law will lean to their favour. We already have some of our rich local boys who are playing these kind of games, when these rich investors coming in, potentially going to stir more s**t out of the industry.

Just have to live with it and make sure we dont step on it.


This post has been edited by Bobby C: Jun 21 2010, 10:17 AM

Sabah is one of the poorest state in the country. Though blessed with abundance natural resources, beautiful mountains, beaches and islands that draw foreign tourists, where the money gone?? Why the people in the state consider poorest in the country whereby younger generations have to migrate to bigger cities in peninsular for jobs?

This act by the Sabah state government to suppress the people in SMALL TOWNS from tapping into this natural resources in the state clearly impede the state progress.

Does the state government knows how much private investors need to dig out from their savings to set up a farm in the middle of no where with the highest risk of being broken into by robbers/thieves/predators, or being robbed when you travel to/from your bh in the middle of nowhere?! Or failure to attract swiftlets due to wrong locations, or lists of bhs internal/external problems under your control and worst factors beyond your control?

Similarly, what are the major income of all the SMALL TOWNS in Peninsular? In the past, these towns started from tin minings, rubber tapping, palm oil plantation etc but now? Younger generations are moving to big cities to find jobs. Old folks staying back, business winding up, closing down. What to sustain operation of these SMALL TOWNS in the country?

Think this is the major reason government shall continue to support this industry in towns. Yes, may be YOU can try to be funny, suppressing the people livinghood.

Question:- How long can you suppress?

For the last 50 yrs you have subsidising the people and telling them everything ok, dont worry about globalisation, GDP grow by +10% this yr (but tat was comparing with worst GDP of last yr ... bl**dy conman trying to manipulate economy data and got caught), crude oil will last till heaven knows, proton can compete can sell in international market, manufacturing all doing well here, corridors corridor and more corridors to attract foreign investors more likely turn into white elephants etc. How long can you con the people. One day when the bubble burst, truth shall prevail and thereby you will get buried for eternity.

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Added on June 22, 2010, 1:26 pmMind you, tat's was only what being reported in Canada. How abt Europe, US and list of undetected/unreported??

Dont forget, in Salawak too. Balak, power, water, sewer, oil, road, buildings, lands, private jets, Cahaya mata mata, RBH bank (at one time), 2 new smelthing plants, bakun power, 20+ new dams coming up .......

What u touch oni surface of oil, not tap the crude oil yet ...


This post has been edited by Bobby C: Jun 22 2010, 01:31 PM

Try horizontal metal bar say 150mm spacing at the window inlet hole. See how ur birds response, ok then place permanent. U be surprise some very sucessful bhs in KT did that, from far spacing seems like less than 150mm.

Besides all the temporary solutions proposed above, guess mid/long term plan shall be widening the inlet hole and slowly closing up the depth to less than a feet as what the Indos do.

Believe that shall solve ur permanent headache.

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Added on July 15, 2010, 9:22 amThey can propose anything in their wildest wet dreams, end of the day if not practical and causing too much nuisances, complaints and hassle, sooner or later it will get kicked out by the majority.

There was a case related to one sunset cottage industry where the income tax dept decided one day to treat them on par as major manufacturers by proposing to place an officer in every homes/factories, sit there do nothing just counting how much you produce daily (encourage more red tapes potential daily harassment by the taxman). Worst on top of that proposing to increase taxes by 100%. That was hell lot of madness, as good as telling all cottage players to close shop and let thousands old/young people unemployed and let the major players rule!

Not more than 50 small players got to together and bought the issue to the cabinet. Ng Yen Yen did nothing singing song tell people go fly kites. My dad gave her a good lecture, 'You people stay in aircon rooms, what did you know abt hardship of people!'. You shall see her face. Gerakan formal VP Kerk .. has been very helpful came to help and after few mths of sleepless nights finally issue settle, all small cottage players allow to operate but still at the mercy of gomen whether they will change the policies again. So nobody dares to invest in new machinery to expand as risk too high. But at least thousands of folks get to carry on their work ...

Moral of the story, not this industry but all business/industries facing the same. Just depend how unite when red flag is raised.

This post has been edited by Bobby C: Jul 15 2010, 09:22 AM