just now after rain went to see a location
1000+ swiftlets flying cover the whole sky 
1 successful BH there with a few supporting bh around
there's 1 shophouse directly 6m behind for sale
but the owner asking 400k for the 2storey corner unit ....  quite expensive because that place ground floor no commercial use/rental

Seniors here .... can give me newbie some opinions ??? 
Thank You.

Hi WW, thanks for your generous advice 1000K times. Come to my questions i still have doubt in building aprroval and cost. Give you give me so guidance ?

Dear sifu sekalian,

i'm interested to venture into this business as well. Mind to share is there any seminars or any briefing given by government on this industry?
Please check with Jabatan vetirinar, there would be one in near future  conference swiftlet ranching 17-19 july 2011...please go to icotos@unisza.edu.my for more info

seriously i have no idea how to start and where to start learning. been to MPH for books and found 0..
many books at sam's store, Gyms Klang,

and what do you think about the current climate? will worsen climate affect the lifestyle of swiftlet like changes on weather, haze etc. Are there any official organization out there?
ini boss kena tanya sifu sifu besar, lah
many organisation and association..[COLOR=orange]

Sorry for the noob questions @@

I have tried, and tried and tried again..........................same story.  If I found the miracle potion I would charge 10% of your harvest, no need to sell for cash up front......I'll be waiting at harvest time and you'll be very happy to give me my commission too.

Hello everybody.
Hi too Bro

My 1st post here, just joined up this month. one month with over 72 posting, where do you hang out ? Have been reading this thread for the last 2 years on and off. me over 3 years , daily without fail , before i even dare to speak out

Excellent group of brothers here. Most helpful and unselfish to share your experience and knowledge , not one off, but over the years. SALUTE !!]my hat off

No, am not into BH yet. Wait till I joint bro WW pensioner, building a new farm which cost him almost 1M, you cant be serious that he will be in that club.. LOL club then have more time.

There's a question I need the input from sifus here.
Is it possible to have 2 entrance in a BH?
Am no sifu but let me put down here my personal understanding and short experience, it is possible


Basically this is the deal, my friend's BH 24x80 3 storeys initially started with roof opening, however after 4-5 months only 2-3 spots of droppings on the 2nd floor.

After paying his place a visit I recommended him to try hacking off a side entrance on another side (for example roof ent on south side, side ent on north side). This worked as after 1 month now there is already 10 new spots of dropping in 2nd floor. Then we sealed off the roof entrance.

But the birds aren't going down to 1st and ground floor at all.

The reason might be because the stairs were designed to be near the roof opening so then can fly down.
But since the new entrance is on another side of the building, the stairs are very far away, the birds need to fly almost to the other end before they can go down. That should be ok, as long as you have a good enough opening, personnal I prefer 4x4 m , however you could settle for lesser size of 2.5x3m

I was thinking to reopen the roof opening, please dont maybe partially not fully so there will be some light and the birds can see the path down to 1st and ground floor, will this work?, please dont get yourself confused, have confident in what you are doing, a small ventilation at strategic places could assist as guide path

Added picture, the red dots are where the new droppings are located at, notice they only spread around 2nd floor but do not go down to 1st floor, let alone ground floor.

So I was thinking of re-opening the old entrance, would that work?

Sifu ayah embong,
Hello bro, me no sifu, lah,

Since the new entrance is side, in order to preserve some nesting space therefore a partition is made, if not it is too bright. As of now seems like some birds are settling down there so it should be fine. The end of the partition should have extended all the way to where the old roof entrance was. But since this renovation was done in the short time we decided to just leave that one wall, so it might look weird to yo.
then you have only one lah, after the entrance hole 12 feet away, and also another one blocking the void, try those.. if you may please send a new version as per my recommendation.

The stair void is large enough, it's 10x12ft. good enough
Looking at my picture, I just don't know how to guide the birds down to the 1st and ground floor. There's ZERO droppings, not even a tiny droplet near the void.

The birds just come in the side entrance and turn into the partitioned room. what about guiding/pulling tweerters from the LMB to void.. must use them effectively..