So, the picture is clear as to whom is behind all these RED nests and why we, Malaysian nests are single out to be punished. We, Malaysian and Malaysian nests are not involved at all. That's I don't know and the Fed. Association should clarified with the Chinese Authorities on the matter and if possible keep us informed.

Shits was good as we know for attracting swiftlets but now, we know it also can produce RED nests.............never too old to learn!!!!!! All these while, I though that they only spray it on to the unharvested nests but now smoking the nests with S***, that's news.

Since our GOM has so much money at hand to give to the raayat, we also raayat and the GOM should dump in billions to save us now.........buying all Malaysian nests at our hand and stock piles it to ensure better pricing.

Set up processing plants here also with the help of the GOM fund to produce end products cos now is the best time to do so with less capital investment (cheap Birdnests) and educated Malaysian and neighboring Singapore to take EBN daily for health.

Maybe, with this storm really come with it a golden harvest....a new industry...top Quality EBN producers of end product in the world...may it be drinks, cakes or cosmetic and health supplements.

Only my talk talk only.

Yeah, a small faction of our Bad boys are involved but why only published Malaysian Nests and what we Malaysian did to them. Blame on the Big Bad Boys......the Big Indonesian Bosses that have already make millions and maybe Billions from turning dirty nests into Red nests. Call it Indon nests or anything but why Malaysian!!!!! Remember we produce only a small fraction of the nests and ours' are alot priced even at Grade Super grade so there isn't a reason to put shit on most of them. All I heard from China TVs are Ta Ma Yen Wa....meaning Malaysia EBN.

Lembu punya susu, sapi dapat nama nya.

As for your Police Chief friend in China, tell him to have faith and trust in you and even if all other nests in China are not safe, the nests gift to him will be 100% pure nests or else, he can have your head for a pillow.


Ps: During the Qing Dynasty, they haven't learn the skill of making RED nests and all RED are from caves and no manmade REDs and also there were none of our present BH White either to compete....if there were, the white may beat the RED face down in favour or taste. My own opinion on the last sentence lah.

Sad but live need to go on and to stay healthy, be happy and have only positive thinking and lastly, remember to take your birdnest supper before you go to sleep and you will wake up healthy and handsome.

[quote=aeiou228,Oct 13 2011, 11:37 AM]
Got lah....nah... 4 years ago in fact
http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?showtopi...post&p=13904521

Thanks Aeiou,

I wasn't born then or should say that I wasn't using the forum discussing or even getting involved in any discussion at all on any matter until I found my true Love with swiftlets matter.

Thank again for the info.

As we are talking, one of my friends sold his more than 50Kg @ Rm2800/kg rojak and he was with me a few days ago and told me that he isn't interested in anything less than Rm3000.

So, you see, with so much negative news, it's frightening and nobody can blame him for selling but at least he get Rm2800 instead of below Rm2400 as advertised.

So, it's OK if you sell at any price but sadly, I believe that we deserve more.

Only remember to bargain for a better price before selling.......

Maybe, Kohloh can provide better price with his contacts in China...By the way, how about the Vietnamese buyers for corner types???

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 13 2011, 05:55 PM

Those who wish to build BHs may need to just wait cos many BH owners will sell their BHs if this continue so you need not build one but buy one cheaply.

Scare of losing everything..........Just yesterday, someone asked if anyone interest in a BH @ Pekan, I told him that if he asked me 3 months ago, I will have buyers for him but right now, sorry lah...........unless you sell cheap.

Things are like this, when time are bad, nobody is interested and so, for those who borrow from Ah Long, God really need to bless you.

Like here, few months ago....price @ Rm180K per acre and still many buying but now, no one seem interested at all. Like Stock Market, if you have the ability to hold, then you may survive but you can't then I would say sorry and you may have to sell low but you still would not lose but only not making profit like you expected to do it before.

Well, the land that you inherit for your father mostly was provided free here and when time was good, you didn't sell and now, you complaint that I said there were buyers for the land and yes, then, and you are 3 months too late..

Sometime, to be helpful isn't healthy so next time, when opportunity strike, sell and don't blame if the price drop and what if the price goes up...then, what??

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Added on October 15, 2011, 10:28 amDear Kohloh,

By the way, since the factories in Indo do not have much orders, so do they do processing for our nests and at what price? At least, these factories can still support their workers or otherwise, after this storm, there will much lesser factories cleaning. Like you say, less than Rm9 per day and that's dirt cheap and no wonder, we can never compete with the Indo in the Cleaning of nest cos our costing is high. Here, they charge up to Rm1200/Kg but in Indo, less than Rm600/Kg, Right, Kohloh????

How are we going to send the nest to indo as cleaning is really very expensive in Malaysia and Indo cost less than half only.

At least, we can have our nests cleaned and sell them as processed nest locally to Malaysian during the bad time. Promote the eating of Birdnest locally esp. to the Malay and I do feel that we do have big untapped market.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 15 2011, 10:28 AM

The Chinese in China also must be blamed for the RED Nest issue as afew years ago, my China friend in Guangzhou who overheard for his friend that I have birdnests and asked me to bring some alone the next time I go there and which I did.

What's happened was when I was at his office, the friend wasn't there but his wife was and when I handed the white nests to her and her replied was" We don't eat white nests and only Red nests". Even after so much explanation that white nests is pure and Red has chemical added, she still persisted that Red nests was the Best and the only most healthy nests available and white nests were useless to health.

So you see, the Chinese were really stubborn people and nothing we can do to persuade them to change their mindset then. Sometime, I wonder if those rich people in China deserved these for insisting Red all these time and those making Red are just doing what being ordered and in the same time making trip to the Bank to bank in Red money.

Now, hopefully, they understand that White is better and very healthy than Red but also pray that they remain their birdnest eating habit.

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Added on October 16, 2011, 12:31 pmAs swift4ever said, there are good ones and bad ones. I haven't had any dealing with the cleaners cos I have my own cleaner i.e my dear wife but here we do have many like the great Kohloh who know all lubangs, and guys like Lim, Tan, Lee and many others can if willing to assist you in getting good support.

Since the price is low and you are not willing to sell, then process your own nest and sell locally. Oyes, taking about nests price, latest yesterday buyer price for corner is Rm2400/kg if you still have corner like me cos I don't care about price but the comfort of the bird. If the bird like corner, so be it and corner will stay until no corner.

Corner for Rm2400/kg and half cup for Rm2500/kg so there isn't any difference in price....... before half cup was Rm4500 and corner was Rm3500. Something very wrong somewhere and I smell rotten fishes. Personally, I think that the price has drop to the bottom already and about time it shall goes up..





This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 16 2011, 12:31 PM

A little of my politic to share among friends.

I have this feeling...... Today China is already almost monopolizing the manufacturing industries and slowing with the gained strength of world economy will come the power to control ...first Asian and the world and this is what make the America scare and also the Japan weep.....America is getting weaker and weaker just like an old Lion King and soon a new young Lion King will be installed and So, that's why American is afraid of and so are many of its Allies.

With a population of one third world population and a super strong economy, no one can bring this new giant Lion to its kneel and only it's own people can and so I won't be surprised that the American will be trying hard to get the Chinese people to oppose against the government and by doing so, will weaken China and even divide it into many small pieces.

Almost everything formally were controlled by the American now are controlled by the Chinese. For example, the Chinese can force the price of metal up by buying and can force it down by selling low.

So, you think that you are Chinese, too! Here in Malayisa, the Government said that you are Chinese but China refer you as "Malaicai" as Malaysia son.

So sorry about above politic talk as there isn't anything to say about swiftlets at the present situation or has something new up.

I met the local Asso. President and was told that during his meeting with Dato Beh and others...the problem hasn't resolved yet. There are buyers @ China but how to get the nests there are the problems. Many Malaysians having outlets in China now are experiencing difficulties in fulfilling orders as there are none coming.

Inspection of nests by the authorities on nests and once found to exceed the limit will be confiscated so no one dare to sell. Red nests are no no in China now. The Fed Association will appeal to the PM to use his good office if the matter cannot resolve in afew weeks time.

I also heard from him that the China TV crews were in Penang interviewing a Penang Businessman dealing in Rednests and during the interview, two Malay men appeared and these two who were acting as Govt. Officials were in China with the Businessman trying hard to influence the Chinese press that Red nests are healthy. They found out that these two men infact are the Businessman's workers.

No wonder the Chinese Authorities don't even know whether the Malaysian Govt. Officials that they saw are real and not fake officials.....before fake nests and now fake officials also can!!!!!

Hopefully, our PM can solve our problem because I believe that the Chinese don't even want to see our guys from V,H or any departments for the time being. 0% nitrite, all habis lah! At least our PM cannot be fake.

After Sarawak gang, we have the Penang gang......why???????

I thank you, too and hope to get the contact also but the buyers are coming regularly now but still the price still low. The best is RM3000 here for 1/2 cups but this is much better than last week.

Correction friend,

Excuse me, WE never claim Birdnest to give longer life but better health and the Emperor's short life problems maybe associated with other factors like too much sex and worries. No one told you that a Emperor has a good life or peaceful life or anything of these sorts. Birdnest are good as what the chinese health experts published and nothing more like not long life which must and can have provided that the emperor sleep early( which obviously cannot with 999 wives) and less worries. I have only one wife and I feel it too and if I have only 10 wives not 999, I died many years ago. (No worry, my wife doesn't not use computer). Hahaha....only that I know that short life has anything to do with birdnests.

Emperor can have everything so all his food taken are certified very safe for consumption and must pass the FDA of that time.

Here, we hope to publish what are the truths and not lies like many others. Many people complaint of us cos they don't understand our doings and so best we posts all to share and hopefully, the unbelievers will slowly but surely understand guys like us who gon't even have a heart to kill a chick and where to find a more kinder group of people than the people at this forum. Readers of forum will see that we do criticized our friends here if they did wrongs so we are fair and do care for our swiftlets....unlike those "Prevention of cruelty to Animals" groups don't even lift a hand to help during the mass murder of thousand of baby swiftlets @ Mukah......

Never fear to post all but the truth cos we have nothing to hide but some guys that posted here aren't us but fakes; we, the swiftlets sanctuaries providers who do care for the swiftlets unlike many out there only know how to criticize and can even walk by a injured 2 years old child and doing nothing to help but will condemned and criticize others. Even bare all, NAKED, we are OK and clean...hahahaha.

Latest news on EBN prices and it's going up. Buyers from China are coming to buy directly bypassing middlemen and how they are to export, I don't know. The good news is that the price is up from last week low and now quality nests can fetch Rm3500, AB mix is Rm3200 and corner is RM2500. I can predict that the price will go up still but only for next few week as CNY is near and after that period is anyone guess again.

Malaysian buyers are still quoting low as they still don't know how to export to China so beware.

Hopefully, we shall see the RM5K+ price again.

We do know how fast can an OWL fly or how far from the net but do anyone know how high can or does an OWL fly?

Anyone know?

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 24 2011, 03:02 PM

Red nests still can sell? but my friend having outlet in China told me that only whites can sell but Govt men do constantly check on outlets selling EBNs according to him. Problem is getting the nests there and since our PM has requested the Chinese to help to solve the matter, I think very soon all will be well.

Hopefully, these few days. If too low a price, I rather keep or process them to sell to our town folks and let them enjoy good thing at special discounted price rather than contributing to the falling in EBN price.

Luckily, we got buyers to offer better prices and we sold all our nests this time. I hope that you all also can have better price.

in my opinion, to clean nests for own use, one need only to rinse the nests over running tap water to clear out all S and other waste in the nest and then put the nests into the refrigerator for a few hours.

Take them out and remove all visible feathers with tweeter, and since it's for own use, you might as well spread out the nests to remove all tiny feathers hidden between the nest and lastly, put the nest into a bowl of water and in water, any tiny feather missed will be visible and you need to remove them and you end up having 100% pure nest without any feather.

Well, that's the way my wife done it as I don't have the time to do these eye straining work....and it work well and tried ultrasonic cleaner, it doesn't seem to work.........

How sad but as I told you was that you need to press for higher price and the only way is to group up in strength and quantity so the buyers will have no choice but pay a more realistic price for the nests. I feel that we all have been taken advantage of and I do not like it at all and if I am younger and have the energy and strength, I will go to find way to find buyers @ China. Otherwise, we are always at the mercy of buyers who so far determine the price and we were only lucky once in a blue moon when the big buyers clashed and each buyer trying to out bid the other. When come another of this infighting between buyers as now the buyers seem to be at peace and compromised which is very bad for us, the BH owners.

As I am posting, the price may drop as the buyer buying at higher price may now offer lower if they can be influenced by the other buyers. Why pay more if can buy cheaper. If supply can be bought at cheaper, no smart buyer will want to pay more. How to get the right price for your nests all depend on cooperation among the ranchers in " One for all, and all for one" motto.

Here, we are safe at the moment as we sold all nests at the better price although I am still not happy with the selling price then but then it's better than what others states or even neighbouring towns were getting. I heard that local buyers sell their nests to a Malaysian Millionaire Dato buyer at Rm3300/kg for China market and if it is true, then wallou, your buyers are getting very good profit from their purchase of your nests. If like this, better be nests buyer than building BH as you need not have to wait and money come faster lah..............provided the rumour I got is the truth but I don't know and wouldn't check on it as I don't have any nest balance left to be worry at all., only after afew months time and then I may have to worry if price still remain the same.

God bless you if you haven't got the right buyer and sorry for you if you have sold very low for your nests.

Remember, the above news is what I hearsay and I don't have any evidence of it.........without prejudice, my friends.

Here, we sold our nests at Rm3100 to Rm3500 depending on quality and quantity. Remember, quantity sales do get better price always....and corner, at RM2500.

Above, Berita Lama

Anyone know who is Dato Phua, or something like it, a very rich man cos rumor has that he has permit to export EBN by Tons and is buying nests and these chinese maybe buying for him.

That's what I heard.....any truth in it????????

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Added on October 31, 2011, 6:01 pmSad thing is that where there are Oil palm, there are rats and where there are rats, there are OWLs and OWLS spell trouble for BH.

Remember, OWLS are good for oil palm estate and if only they remain only in catching Rats and snakes but swiftlets seem to be a more easier meals for OWLs when darkness fall.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 31 2011, 06:01 PM

No, doing BHs at Oil Palm area are good as there are alot of insects to feed the birds but alas, also predators, too.

How to prevent Owls and other predators from entering your BH is a serious and difficult effort. At present, there are many BHs at Oil Palm area and only the unlucky ones got predators problems so pray that your's is not chosen ones, the unlucky one cos once they entered, the owls will target your bh until you get rid of the owl like one guy who send 3 Owls to the nearby zoo and got a free pass to the zoo. Why this BH has more than 3 owls which the rest of many Bhs in the area seem free from owls problem? Just Maybe, the Aroma he is using that not only attract swiftlets but also Owl to breed inside...hahahaha sorry, if it offended friends selling Aroma.

Initial setup to prevent Owl from entering is important cos when the owl enter once, the owl is no longer afraid to enter again and no spikes or electric wire will prevent them from entering. They just fly into your BH without resting on to the wall which they normally do when they are no sure of what inside the BH.

Many tried to narrowing the entrance to about 6 ins bars and it work but also did prevent free flow of swiftlets entering and thus prevented increment of nests....... unless someone come up with some better idea or solution and shooting the owls is not a solution at all cos it's illegal, bad for the oil palm estate nearby and also for our soul.


As for the swiftlet tester, you can buy if you have the money to spend or DIY and cheapest is to attache the tweeter to your car amp thru the speaker outlet and play it from your car amp with the tweeter above your car.

My view to share.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 1 2011, 11:18 AM

Quoted NEWS:"Malaysia is the world’s second biggest exporter of bird’s nest after Indonesia with 80% sold to China.

Malaysian bird’s nest exports to China had surged from 1.44 tonnes in 2009 to 100 tonnes last year."

How did Malaysia EBN export surged from 1.44T to 100T within one year?????

If our increment is 10X then our export should be 1K tonnes this years and who say increment in BH aren't good? Hahahahaha.....must be someone were using Malaysia to export their country nests causing all the previous problem as we anticipated.

The Authority must allow free to export to all and not restricted to afew friends and associates only....obviously with regulations and conditions so that only pure nests can be exported thru our country....and similar incidence must not be repeated again. We ask for ONE STOP CENTER to process all export documents required and hope that the authorities are viewing our opinions here....as caring government.

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Added on November 2, 2011, 10:18 amUnless I am wrong, it is no allow to have BHs at padi fields.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Nov 2 2011, 10:18 AM