Who is CSL?? He isn't a buyer so why listen to him. He may just want to scare you all to beware of trying to cheat using pig skin and friends!!!!

The main end users are China and HK and they have been dealing with the Indo for years. Our main buyers are the Indo and they determine the price but you can try to not sell low and hold back until a better price being offered but you alone isn't enough. Alas, we have among us, many BH owners having many BHs willing to sell at low price and not keeping for a better price. EBN is the same like rubber and oil palm and they all depend on supply and demand. and they are many manipulators trying hard to destroy our confidence and ability to export.

When some bad news spread and panic selling is the news!!!!!

If it's true, it still has no much effect on our birdnests as

1. Less than 10% of our nests is processed locally
2. Most of our nests are exported to Indo as Indo higher grade nests so it shall be considered as Indo nests as is not include in the Ban anyway.
3. Most of the Indo nests are to HK and then to China which is never affected by any ban.
4. If our processed nests contained unhealthy chemical, it's the processing industry that need to toe the line and someway, somewhat, somebody is playing dirty and cause concerned in China or someone is trying so hard to destroy our export of processed nests or someone having hidden agenda like trying to monopolies the market for themselves.
5. Our Malaysian nests was given the green light and tax free by the chinese govt. then and all other Asian countries are not allowed tax free but what and how come that our nests now have problem with the Chinese authorities.
6. Somewhere, somehow and somewhat, something fishes is giving bad smell to our nests and this Malaysia Govt. must look into.

Very Good!!!! If everyone here is asking similar questions then we the pioneers here have succeed in helping all in building successful BH as we now no longer discuss about problems in getting birds to stay but how much is the nests worth and worried about the decline of price.

Now, better still that you mentioned about reaching the 1K nests ...that's the golden mark and it shall be better increment on the way if you do breed birds, my friends.
You now have your own source of supply without the need of begging for birds but with contribution from other BHs will definately be a Bonus.

What the increment? Different results in different places but definitely be better than before so no figure. When well developed swiftlets hang by the nests, its about time that they will fledged but do give them a week and then harvest. During harvesting, you will see many birds nearby that fly away and you may harvest these nests too and don't worry cos if they can fly off withour dropping on the floor; they are safe and should be able to fly out in a couple of days.....

Those swiftlets that drop down should be put back into their nests cos the commotion cause by you that make the young swiftlet fall and it's your responsibility to place them back into their respective nests. A kind and gentle heart will definately bring more wealth and joy to you.

For your last question, pls. declare your income from the harvesting of nests as they are coming and will see you very soon.......don't also not forgetting to declare your expenses that will end up .....not need to pay for the first 3 years....... I guess.

Buyer just quoted Rm4100/Kg today but I will only sell at Rm4500/Kg.

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Added on August 4, 2011, 3:29 pmWell, keep a book to prove that you have keep record or else when they call on you, they will do their own assessment on your BH. Just keep the account book at hand in case they do call on you and record down also your expenses. How much that you get or you do it all depend on you cos you are the only one that know how much and how many that you sold and no one else know, right?

Hope that I need not draw the intestine of the chicken, hahahaha and if you still fail to understand my breeze, pm me for further clarification, pls.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Aug 4 2011, 03:29 PM

So, don't sell your birdnests cheap as the 15th. of 8th.month near.......never panic selling as in share market cos your costing is null and only lesser profit which you can afford.

Doing so ( not panic) will help to push the price up and stabilize the market price. Panic selling will only worsen the price and remember what happened before when the price drop to RM1200 per Kg cos many are selling as if there is no tomorrow But I was smart by holding back and even make some good money then.

I can tell you that you really don't need to keep long as if buyers don't get nests to fulfill their commitment to their bosses ( one that I know need 200K nests to fulfilled his order), they will offer higher price to the sellers. This does not need a MBA to tell you that the shortage of supply will force the price up and if there are supply for nests even if buyers offer lower price, which buyer will want ot pay high if they can buy at lower price and make more profit.

Remember that I did mentioned that the price in China remain stable and the wind only blow here and it is up to us either to stop the wind or be wet and wetter as the wind bring in more and heavier rain. Alas, most owners will sell like the stock market but the situation should be different as in stock market cos in SM, it's to cut losses and many are forced Selling on T time due or need to pay up. Here, our last harvest can afford to pay for the next few installments.

What if the price goes down but if you sell, the price will surely go down. Even if you don't sell, the price may go down cos many others may sell but at least, you can pray that others do share your sentiment. If you think that you alone isn't important, talk to a politician and they will tell you that your one support is very important. If all think the same, blame yourself for contributing to the fall of the nests.

Same like the case of breeding swiftlets; one friend told me that he can harvest all he want cos others will provide the new birds for his BH. Remember that his BH has over 10K nests and each time, more than 20K new birds should fledged and fly out and immagine the number of new BHs that may survive with just this BH.........but this greedy friend of mine has only money in his mind, one extra harvest can get him, a new car......even the fear of GOD cannot deter him from doing so.

In any swiftlet core area, you only need one over 10K BH to support all of you, newly built BHs and may it be 10 new BHs, each of the BHs will be satisfied with the increment of nests if you have done it correctly.

Just my view.

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In any swiftlet core area, you only need one over 10K BH to support all of you, newly built BHs and may it be 10 new BHs, each of the BHs will be satisfied with the increment of nests if you have done it correctly.

Just my view.

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dear WW
could u kindly explain/expand on what u wrote, esp the last paragraph.
Thanks a mill

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In swiftlets area, one 10K BH will produce over 20K newly fledged swiftlets enough to sustain more than 10 new BHs as 20,000 birds divided by 10 will give each BH 200 birds, right? Although not all will stay at the area and part of them will fly away but then other birds will come to the area. Even 50% will make all happy.

Remember that 20K is just for a season and not a year supply and if you missed the first time due to wrong doing or mistakes in the construction/setup of BH, there is always a second time coming; not and none if no one is breeding.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Aug 11 2011, 03:04 PM

correction 20k birds divided by 10 is 2000
thank you

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So, you are reading attentively, and even 200 is more than enough.

welcome

This post has been edited by West Wing: Aug 11 2011, 04:08 PM

I always disagree with any form of tagging of swiftlets as it may cause many problems to the swiftlets. Even handling of swiftlets unnecessary is a no no to me like a friend who use to move the almost to fledged birds to one side to harvest the nests.

Knowing swiftlets,

1. Swiftlets need to fly fast and accurate to catch tiny flying insects and like adding weight to the body of the swiftlets, it will slower down the speed and even miss the food due to the misalignment of the flight like arrow imbalance. They are tiny and light weighted animal unlike others that a little weight do make alot of difference. In tiny insect hunting, a tenth of a mm make a big difference in securing a meal.

2. Stress and discomfort to the swiftlets and will the tag interfere with the abilities of the swiftlet in anyway.

3. Will the swiftlets return again to home after suffering from such tagging and handling for tagging.

Too many IF and Qs must be check before the tagging can take place.

Just my opinion.

I just heard of a song with the lyric " God is great, beer is good, men are crazy" and I think it apply here..........

Did anyone read the China Press today. Someone told me that the paper reported that 2 Malaysia Malay Datuk from Govt. Dept. was giving press conference to the chinese that Malaysian Red BN is real and safe for consumption and these red nest are not fake but the Datuks at the press conferance are Fake Datuks.

Is that what is reported in the paper. If's correct, " ini pun boleh! Dulu sarang palsu, sekarang, Datuk pun palsu!!!! "

The authorities should do researches on way to improve quality, quantity and study on food sources of the swiftlets. We do know that swiftlets do feed on large variety of insects but what does the swiftlet really prefer because in the wild. the swiftlets do not have a choice of food and will take all types if able and when available. Or if the swiftlet do need a large variety of insects to produce nests. We do have own theories on what temperature, conditions and others which we do take for granted just that we feel more safe with the methods but then it may be wrong or prefect.

Just because we are successful, that doesn't mean that all what we did are all correct and maybe we are just lucky to be at the right place at the right time and like me, just many times lucky. There isn't any scientific and real evidence to prove what we did is prefect for swiftlets unless someone did a survey and study on these topics and prove that what we did all these while are right and not just plain lucky but luck isn't all in this trade and you do need alot of expertise and knowledge.

Those who are doing master or PHD in the field should do a study on these projects and I believe that you will be easier to submit a project or thesis as there aren't many peers in this field out there to prove you otherwise.

Only my opinion to share on my favorite subject.

These so called Red Nests and pig skin or fake nests have been in the market over a century ago. As I recall, a nests buyer told me then that he did send his dirty white nests to process into Red nests for Rm400 per Kg.

In Thailand, one can buy birdnest soup for less than Rm10 and no body ever complained then and everyone in the Buz knew that all these were fake.

Not that we Malaysian were the good guys but only that we didn't have the knowhow to produce red nests from dirty dark brown nests. Or that we do have the formula to produce look alike nests soup from some form of powders make in Indonesia.

While Malaysian Govt. is too strict on everything while our neigbouring countries are giving total freedom and full support to this industry; making our share in the industry lack behind the other neighbouring countries.

If only our Govt do the right things. Controlling and encouraging proper healthy developement of the industry is good but one must be reasonable and should listen and give encouragement to the raayat to venture into the trade in full force. What we lack now is the confidence as the Govt. policy and guildlines just like unpredictable weather...sometime good and sometime bad.

Coming to the licensing of BH, one really wonder why the high cost of the license for? Why is the certificate provided by the Veterinary dept. previous cannot be used now and now the 1GP. Should we attend the 1GP, when come another 2nd.GP or shall we wait until the Govt. is sure that this is the final course to take.

Will the Govt. impost more licenses in the future or control selling or buying EBN and so, it shall put us back again by afew years at least.

Too many stress not for the birds but the owners as we don't know what will happen tomorrow, next week, month or year. Without any concrete assurance and true caring Govt., the growth in the industry may not attain the predicted target.

Do you know that the thief caught in stealing nest may be fined to afew hundreds only....if just that, I should become a birdnest thief instate of building BHs as your investment in only RM500 if you are caught and no prison sentence.

That's why I said "Break a leg or hand and then release the thief as handling them to the police only to be released later or fine Rm500 by the court"
Sorry that I said it as personally, I can't bear or bringing myself to break a leg or hand of the thief if he steal my nests, then tell me what to do????

Do you know that the thief that come to steal your nests may has a backer/buyer driving a Merc and then have the thief out of jail on bail afew hours after going to the police station....by lawyer or lawyers representing the thief caught in action. Most of the time, no case is filed by the police as there is not concrete evidence or something else.

It's never a fair world and evil always win and the good are always make to suffer....maybe, that is the way God is testing the Good men.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Aug 17 2011, 05:56 PM

Rightfully said as the problem has nothing to do with Malaysian nests and everyone knew should know it for so long so they shouldn't blame it on us. With such new advancement in technology, they should be able to trace the source of the nests, red blue or green nests....and put these stupid or greedy fools behind bar.

While we all understand the reason; there is hugh profit to be make from Red nest or bleached nests and unless the authorities put an effort in preventing it and obviously cannot depend on IndoGovt as usual, we can lessen these bad apples. We cannot eliminate it as long as there is profit in doing so like doing Drugs and even fake eggs making afew cents each.

Sooner or later, fake Bird nests in BH so when buying BH with nests, do ensure that the nests you see in the BH selling are all real and not fakes or real nests glued on to the planks. Mind you, at Rm800 per nest, I would be tempted to stick some extra ones before selling one of my BHs.

A real joke to share, there was once this guy who build a Bh with the help of a consultant/contractor and he never visited his BH and when his oversea American friend came visiting, He went to his BH and collect a few nests and presented them to his American friend who took it to America. A few weeks later, his American friend phoned up and asked him why the birdnests are so tough and impossible to eat.

Reason is that the nest are all fake ones and he thought that his BH has nests and he and his American friend have never seem a birdnest.

By using dye, it will show when immerse in water or while cooking and the solution turn alittle reddish but the Indo's way, it doesn't show even after boiling and not cheap, they charged up to Rm400/kg. My guess is that they are using oxidized metal solution or something like mangoesteen . I think I once read of a blog that sell the solution to change nests to red and you need to spray it to the nests a week before harvesting if I recall it correctly.

Maybe, it still on sale and possibility that it's not the color that cannot passed but the nests used as most of these nests used to turn them to redness were mostly old dirty large nests with plenty of shits. Just you imagine, 4 fingers red nest called super AAA that easily fetch up to Rm10K locally and RMB70K in Shanghai or Peking..... and cost them less than half the value of normal white nests.
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Also, as for the red nests, there are natural red nests but none so evenly redness like the man made ones and these are normally at caves in Sarawak.
These nests are red and not blood nests but due to mineral deposit from the cave. As for some reported redness in Birdhouses, these are cause by the rust of the metal over the ceiling as we do have a case of a friend reporting of red nests after monsoon season due to the leaking of the roof.

....only my observation and maybe wrong.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Aug 21 2011, 02:23 PM

Nowaday, there are really so many contractors/consultants in the upcoming industry and in you may see that 10% of those discussing Bird matter @ coffee shops are these people. You would be surprised to see even in Kampungs, BH are mushrooming and you wonder whether they are getting Govt. grants or fund to build these small BHs, I am not sure but many have try their hand into the trade. It is good in one hand as we all share God's given wealth but bad on the hand for if they are not successful due to lack of birds, those BHs at town maybe demolished to supply birds to these nearby kampung BHs.

This can only happened because the authorities don't know that by destroying the BHs at town don't mean that the birds will go to those BHs @ kampungs.

Just like the Sarawak case, the cave authority accused the towns' BHs of steeling the birds from the caves and cause a hugh decline in the population of birds @ caves but they didn't blame it on themselves cos it was their way of managing the caves that cause the decline of birds @ caves and have nothing to do with the town @ BHs. Infact, there are now different species and there is no way for the town birds to return to the caves, these birds will just choose another house to build their nests.

The cave authority should have protected the birds @ cave and allow them to breed and multiply and who would believe that the guard or keeper of cave cannot be bribed to allow the harvester in to harvest in no harvesting period and so total harvesting for all year round for so many years cause such a hugh decline of birds. A clear case of human greed and corruption.

If don't believe, just look at the sea turtles, total ban and yet we can get their eggs at pasar or kampung.....protection for the benefit of afew "orang sendiri sahaja".

The above is to remind the authorities reading @ THIS FORUM that "Jangan apa apakan rumah burung walit bandar kerana luar bandar tidak juga dapat burung kami". " Ini hanya akan mengurangkan burung baru dari Bandar"

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Added on August 22, 2011, 12:32 pmDon't pay him the balance payment and we did have similar consultants/contractors before and were mentioned here. You should have read our forum then and you may be smarter and not have been cheated now.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Aug 22 2011, 05:31 PM

He look nice and lovable man and I would like one day to meet as I never met him before and only saw his picture.
He can write well and maybe can talk or otherwise he won't have many people believing in him.
He has make others do his experiments for him in his past postings and some of those are really absurd.
He should be a reporter at least he may write the truth but then reporter also lie.
He can be a great man but only if only he would like to learn well and teaches the right ways all the time
He is rich and famous especially among the govt. official , meaning he is really good at his job as salesmanship although I never approved of his past methods but maybe he has change lately.

Who is HE that I am referring to........only He knows so this posting is "without prejudice"

TO ALL MUSLIM FRIENDS

SELAMAT HARI RAYA AIDILFITRI

FROM WEST WING AND FAMILY

Bro, If your are not using other BH shits then how do you get your own BH shit, I mean bird shit from?

even if you buy, it also from other BH shit so be free to use anyone shit but only bird shit and not our's OPPh!! sorry, the last sentence is only joke lah.

So far, the cheapest form of smell are those of bird shit and practically free.

From my observation thru the years

1. For urban BHs, there shall not be a problem of temperature @ night as the walls will slowly release the heat accumulated during the day. The problem of too cold may only apply to BHs @ Agriland.
2. I only find too hot esp. on ceiling and wall @ BHs that seem to be of a problem and by raising the humidity do solve the problem most of the time but as for the ceiling being too hot, no bird will build nest there so you need to find way to prevent the heating up of the ceiling by many methods like using Styrofoam over the ceiling or adding extra layer of asbestos or some using water or even to the extend of adding another roofing over the roof.
3. Light is definitely a problem so refrain from using light in the nesting area unless necessary as in darkness, you will be just a pillar to the birds to avoid but with lighting, you are another predator.
4. Less disturbance to the BH will ensure better increment to your BHs.
5. Some people try not using humidifiers in their BHs or possible because there isn't water supply to the bhs and there are some reported of success but from my point of view, these are due to the facts that their area maybe normally at agriland where cold and dampness arise without the usage of any help.

Just my points of views to share if you agree but if you don't, please enlighten me.