It isn't normal but sometime, it do happen esp. during hard time and in monsoon season.
That's why during the season, many experts will advice you to discard the eggs and harvest the nests.

I disagreed with their views as even many do die but hundred do survive and you have help the ones that have given you the golden nests.

In good time, only birds that have fallen down may die unless that they are lucky that you are there to put them back into the nests.If your BH seems to have such problem, best that you look for the reason why as there are many posibilities such as too cold and maybe predators or that their parents were killed.

My opinion to share.

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Added on June 9, 2010, 10:28 pmNo, you only need to clean the pan or else, your humidifier will get blocked.

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Added on June 9, 2010, 10:37 pmYes, those who have BH or may intend to or have a heart, do help as many active ones here don't even own a BH and they are concerned about the swiftlets and what about you.

Those who benefited and learned from this forum should lend a helping hand by signing a plea for mercy for the peace loving swiftlets and for the future of all fellow Malaysian who have invested their saving into the industry.

I just returned for a long vacation to Guangzhou to have a better understanding of the EBN's market there.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 9 2010, 10:37 PM

From HACKWIRE:
Anyway, can someone tell me what is the best humidity in a room temperature . I know u guys are expert in the bird environment humidity. Im trying to figure out whether to buy a moist humidifier or dehumidifier for my room . I think i got very bad sinus due to too much room humidity or too dry .

so i was thinking whether to get the one with moist spraying out to make it wetter or to get a dehumidifier to dry the over humidity room.

what is the best humidity for human being actually?

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Hi, Let see if I can help you as I do experienced sinus problem before. It was causde by a friend who has sinus problem and jokingly place his apparatus and pump it into my nose and from that day onward, I have this sinus problem and it wouldn't go away even after seeking so many ENT specialists for a few years........and they even told me that there isn't a cure for it.....but I did cure it!

I learned the way to cure it from the internet selling salt water for sinusitis to pour it into the nose and and allow it to flow into the sinus and then drain thru the mouth.

Instead of buying the salt solution from US, I took a bottle of distilled salt solution from optical outlet and force the salt solution into my nose, each nose outlet hole at a time and let it flow into the sinus and then out thru the mouth..................well, it's work and ever since then (20 years ago), I never have sinus problem again and not even a cold. .............maybe, my birdnests do help alittle bit lah., hahaha

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Added on June 10, 2010, 8:56 pmDo join the swiftlets Associations for your own sake or otherwise, don't blame anyone for what may happened to your BHs. I am not saying that all Swiftlets Associations are good but at least if we are united and in strength, we at least have the power to negotiate or else, doomed day is not so far away......be it @ town or agriculture land. If the Committee of the Association isn't doing their job, kick them out and replace them with people who are willing to sacrifice time for the industry and the love of the swiftlets.



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[quote=kiurin,Jun 7 2010, 10:07 PM]
Hi I am new to swiftlet keeping. I have just finished reading the thread from v1 to v3 and just wanted to introduce myself here. I have a piece of agricultural land in N9 which is sitting idle and i'm considering swiftlet keeping to utilise the piece of land. Any1 interested in JV please PM me. On a separate note, I have heard 2 different arguments for having external tweeters in your BH. The 1st being that when the swiftlet is attracted by your external sound and come to your BH you need to have external tweeters in your BH to pull the bird to the venture to the back of your BH. The other argument is that you should not mix external and internal sounds inside your BH. Personally, I feel that the 1st argument is more logical to me. Any sifus want to comment?

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My opinion on the matter

You are quite right as you need to pull the swiftlets into your BH but you should only installed the tweeter in the front portion of the interior area and leave the internal sound for the inner part for nesting. The external sound excite the birds too much that they do not rest which isn't what your intention.

What I strongly disagreed with most consultants is that you need inner sound during the night as this will disturb your neighbours. Use only inner sound at night if you are doing in areas which have disturbances like heavy traffic, disco or machinery sound and in agriculture land which do have many unwelcoming sound.

In most of my successful BHs in town, I don't use sound during the night and when the BH have a thousand nests, I totally remove my amplifier as I no longer require the artificial sound as I now have original sound rom the thousand birds inside. Nothing beat the live original sound.

I have proven that without the sound in successful BH, the increment of the nests are beyond expectation..........as always, my little experience to share if you believe.

[quote=hackwire,Jun 11 2010, 05:38 AM]
Hi, Let see if I can help you as I do experienced sinus problem before. It was causde by a friend who has sinus problem and jokingly place his apparatus and pump it into my nose and from that day onward, I have this sinus problem and it wouldn't go away even after seeking so many ENT specialists for a few years........and they even told me that there isn't a cure for it.....but I did cure it!

I learned the way to cure it from the internet selling salt water for sinusitis to pour it into the nose and and allow it to flow into the sinus and then drain thru the mouth.

Instead of buying the salt solution from US, I took a bottle of distilled salt solution from optical outlet and force the salt solution into my nose, each nose outlet hole at a time and let it flow into the sinus and then out thru the mouth..................well, it's work and ever since then (20 years ago), I never have sinus problem again and not even a cold. .............maybe, my birdnests do help alittle bit lah., hahaha

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Added on June 10, 2010, 8:56 pm
Do join the swiftlets Associations for your own sake or otherwise, don't blame anyone for what may happened to your BHs. I am not saying that all Swiftlets Associations are good but at least if we are united and in strength, we at least have the power to negotiate or else, doomed day is not so far away......be it @ town or agriculture land. If the Committee of the Association isn't doing their job, kick them out and replace them with people who are willing to sacrifice time for the industry and the love of the swiftlets.

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Thank you! thank u!
I thought the first night i discover it was caused by aircond but it is not.
i will try your method soon to get the salt distilled solution.

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Remember that you need to tilt your head so that the solution will flow into the sinus and then it overflow the right side into the left side of the nose and repeat it with the left side of the nose to the right side of the nose. Then, it will cause you to sneeze and out go the mucus and all. With first try, you will feel the hugh improvement and you may need to repeat it again if you feel alittle bit of discomfort in your sinus area as it may take a few times to cure your sinus problem and after that, no more sinus problem for you as the passage to your sinus is naturally closed as there are no more virus or bacteria present in it.

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Added on June 12, 2010, 2:56 pm[quote=Ivan Ho,Jun 11 2010, 10:47 AM]
Dear All,

FYI. Most of them selling in GuangZhou provience are mostly not our EBD; they are mostly smugle into the country and sell it in cheap way.

So I would think we no need to bench mark their price as they will not stay long in the market..believe me, i have been long enough for the chinese market.

meanwhile I think the most concern part is the future of this industry that we need to stay together and invite more people to sign in the petition to raise the awareness...

is just lucky that the oil leaking issue is not done by the Malaysia giant company, if not, our country will decalre bankcrupt as we so dependent on the crude oil income but may soon come to the end...

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I went there and found that:

1. Most of the nests are infact smuggle into Guangzhou from HK.
2. Most the the nests are of the Indonesia type as Guangzhou is famous for the cheap type of EBN.
3. Most the EBN are of 10% wet in Guangzhou.
4. We have a one whole floor in a complex in Guangzhou all occupied by Malaysian supposedly selling Malaysian EBN but found to be selling mostly Indo nests as they are much cheaper than those of Malaysian's nests.

Above are my findings if I am right and those people I met didn't lied to me.

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Added on June 12, 2010, 5:09 pm[quote=aeiou228,Jun 12 2010, 09:54 AM]
Dear WW,

My BH has 3 storey, I place external sounds only at the LAL each floor inside the nesting area. Do you think the external sound played inside the nesting area will actually "pull" the birds to the lower ground ? When I was inside the BH, the mixture of external and internal sounds become "rojak" sound already.

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If that is the case i.e Rojak that you need to examine your tweeters arrangement as they are not fitted correctly. Anyone in the buz, familiar with BH setting will easily fix your problem for you. A kind word of advice, external sound is often louder than the internal which is smoothing to the swiftlets.

My little experience and understanding to share with you, my friend.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 12 2010, 05:09 PM

I , too believe that we have gone too far and really out of our topic and that's concerning swiftlets. That's one of the reason that I am not involve at all. We need these politicians to help us in our fight and yet we condemned them like criminals. Please give due face to the ones that we wish and hope that they will lend a helping hands. By criticizing and making Badmen (not Batman) out of these Politicians and after that, do you still think that we will be able to get their supports and if you are one of them, will you still help us after reading what we have said???????

CSL has infact given the Fed Association the opportunity and time to listen. He promised to look into the matter as it do concerned the raayat and our future esp. the chinese which he seem to be very concerned and that's good. If they have tried and did not succeed, do we want their head on the platter? Whether CSL has infact help his son to a cabinet post or not, which father doesn't want to ensure their son do have a bright future...........if not, then, he isn't a good father at all. So what CSL love beautiful women, I do and which Man don't?????????? He was unlucky to be framed and stupid to admitted for he should be like the famous lawyer who said that, " It look like me and sound like me but it wasn't me" then CSL will still be OK and still clean.

Look around, LKY did the same, so have so many other politicians including the oppositions ( need I mentioned names). Whether if he is a white or Black Cat and if he catches rats, then he is a good cat to us...do you all agree?

So, please put our politic aside and concentrate to our goal and that is to ensure that swiftlets be allow in town or anywhere without any hindrance and let prosperous together.

Sorry that I also got involve in putting the forum in to Political matter....my sincere apology to the forum.

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Added on June 13, 2010, 2:12 pmFrom a simple man with some experience in the SSS industry,

Since you are only concerning on whether or not that you should have a wooden block or aluminum sheet then my opinion is that you should have the meranti wooden block as the aluminum does not allow the birds to has a grip on it to enable the bird to built its nest properly.

That's my personal opinion on the matter concerned only and other may has difference opinion to share.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 13 2010, 02:12 PM

!00% agreed with you on the matter..............nests or no nest and if you have follow our V1 and V2 then you should have realised that swiftlets prefer corners, that's matter first.....and if you are to remove all corners initially, your chances of success is much much lesser.

So many failure in new BHs are also due to the facts that they listen too much to the consultants that half cups fetch better price than quarter cup and what if you compare no cup to 1/4 cup, which do you prefer? Most newbizs talk about what better price and better nest without considering that what about no nest at all!!!! Before having eggs, you are already thinking of how much chicken will fetch in the market!!!!

Just recently that I used corner blocks for my BH because all corners are filled with nests so I tried on some corners first ( mind you, 300 corners first as I do not want to cause any reduction of nests) and happily to inform you that they are happily building nest in the same location. Again, just to remind you that 5-10 kilos of corner nest @ Rm3500/Kg get you many thousand of ringgit lah more than enough to keep you healthy, I think.

No offence intended as I only wish all well here and let's be prosperous together, Kong Xi Fa Cai, everyone

Welcome back and we should now refer you as Dr. Dunsun or just plain Dr. Swiftlet......just kidding..hahahaha.

Like Dr. DoLittle say," If we can talk to the Animals" then how nice and easy......hope one day, we can truly understand what they say.

Hate to discuss the matter but then common sense tell me that Ronnie is either lying or kena tipu cos' there is no reason for a BH owner to recommend that the BHs @ town should move in 5 years time. Who represent the Selangor BH Association but the BH owners and do you truly believe that they will willing to move in 5 years time, sound stupid, right????????

If ever I meet this Ronnie guy, I must tell him to give a better excuse and that excuse sucked lah. How can a BH owner dig his own grave.....then he must be crazy.

Wish to say again, if we are to survive, we need to be united and under an Association and it has to be as Swiftlet Association and not the Chinese Chamber cos the ACCCIM will find very difficult to be 100% on own side as many of other traders are anti-BHs. So, you got no choice but to unite under the swiftlets Association and if the present team fail to deliver, held an EGM to change to a better team.

Again, as always above are my own opinion in the matter.

ALWAYS REMEMBER THAT GOD ONLY HELP THOSE WHO HELP THEMSELVES !!!!!!!!!

Also, not only Selangor but the whole of our country, join the Associations and fight in strength and stand united or otherwise, when you perished and your BH gone plus your dream shaltered, you only got yourself to be blamed and no one else.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 23 2010, 09:21 AM

Most of your local Swiftlets Associations only charge afew hundreds as entrance fee and little annual fee to maintain office expenses. The Associaiton need some fund to utilize in case of emergency and urgent matters to handle.

Most of those BH owners who didn't join are mostly ignorance or tidak apa altitude. Many of the BH owners here that didn't join up are those who refuse to believe that the govt. will tear down their BHs and those who never wish to cooperate. Some even boost that so and so, VVIPs or the YTP is one of his close friends.

It is just like the case that farmers plant all the fruit trees but if the fruit trees bear fruits, the monkeys do have a share in the fruits.

That's the problem with us, Malaysian. Our famous "Tidak Apa" altitude and someone did mentioned that we have been sleeping since MERDEKA and after so many years, we are still sleeping and dreaming as our country still have alot of richness in it but these, one day will end and so will Malaysian.

We have everything and yet we are behind so many countries that don't have even half of what we have and yet our leaders still claim that we are better then many other countries; all corrupted countries. Can't we compare with the better one like our neighboring tiny small country, Singapore!!!!

Since you are a member, then it's your right to seek answer from the Association. Failure so, gather enough members (by then, many of member must feel the same, right?), kick their Ass and put someone there who will do the job. If you can't do it, I am famous for kicking Ass around if you care to ask around, hahahaha...........


No offence intended as always.

I have this to say to those who have BH in towns and refuse to be involve in the battle for the survivor for the BHs in town. Be prepare for what may come as you don't expect to share the fruits only when it's ripe and for that you may need to pay dearly for it.

1. If the Government do not allow or to move your BHs in afew years due to the many complaints and lack of support for the industry. You may not be able to sleep many nights..

If the government allow BHs in town and it doesn;t cover your area, you have yourself to be blamed as you didn't defend your BHs. Never expect other to defend it for you.

2. If the one of the requirements is that you must be registered with the Swiftlets Association before your can be given lessen, then you may be in trouble because the Association may delay your membership; refuse your application or even increase the registration fee many times for new members.

Above are only few possibilities that may happen if you think that you can afford to wait and see and just sit there and expect others to do the battle for all and alas, you expect to share the victory........as always, my concern on the matter only.



This post has been edited by West Wing: Jun 27 2010, 06:00 PM

Tomorrow, there will be a dialog on export of EBN with the Veterinary Department if my info is right. I won't be going as I have other early commitment with my lawyer.

Time is 2.30pm and place @ Wisma Tani, Putrajaya......details, I don't know but will try to find more about it from friend attending it later. Hope that they will make it more easier to export EBN.

Fed. Asso. is involved and all key officers of the members Associations have been informed but who calling, I don't know and I did mentioned that I don't know the details.

Anyway, I just open my email now and they must have finished their meeting. I will try to get some news on the matter if you are interested to know.

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Added on June 29, 2010, 7:14 pmJust bought 2 acre of agriculture land for Rm320K and that's very expensive.

What to do as I have been waiting for the price to drop and it still go up due to the swiftlets fever...................just last year, the same area, per acre is only Rm45K and Rm100K last month and now Rm130K and it must be crazy. If I don't buy it, I am sure by the time I die, I still be planing to buy!!!!!!

So I closed both eyes and buy cos if I die. Some of my friends must be laughing as I told them that it's too expensive to buy agriculture land at such high price as no oil palm or rubber tree can generate enough even for the interest and I went and buy!!!!! So silly of me!!!!!

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Just Yesterday, a bird friend phone me up and questioned me that is it true that there are no more chinese land available in Terengganu. I told him that if he is willing to pay, there are plenty more provided he is willing to pay good money.

There are so plentiful BUMI land available but we C cannot buy unless over 10 acre and so many B men are complaining about why are they prevented to sell to the C and get good money for their land where else, the C can. B prime land only fetch Rm45 K per acre near road side but pls. don't JV with the B and you will surely and certainly regret in years to come when the goods are coming............that's I can promise you as many of guys I know have regretted their doing so and have paid heavy for their mistakes in trying to be smarter but end up being the losers.

Don't ever believe any smart Alex that you can JV with B and make a living....right, a living but luxury will always belong to the B partner in the end............you will end up eating bread and butter and your B partner family will have BMWs and many Ws.

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Added on July 1, 2010, 10:43 pmgot some news for you. The meeting was called by Ventinary department and as before, there were discussion on swuiftlets matter. The Pengarah of V told those attending the meeting (Shameful that only less than 20 BHs representatives attended the meeting) that only Ventinary Department will be the only department allowed to handle all concerning the Edible Nests swiftlets matter. so, no more of P and other ministries.

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Pls. read the all conditions and also most padi fields do belong only to the B and never do a contract with the B on their land as no judge will rule the case in your favour or else, you end up crying over not milk but BNests. Above warning are spoken without prejudice as I don't want any judge reading, to bring me to court for what I just mentioned.

As far as the law applied, only one house is allow in an agriculture land more than one acre but not BH but then, the govt. usually ignore it and allow the BH to be consider as a house. The house cannot be more than 10% of the land. Even at workshop held, the authorities also mentioned that agriculture require more than an acre to build a BH. That's what I get to know and think so.

So, if you have hugh land and need to make many BHs, then you need to subdivide the land to each more than one acre and authorities do not allow agriculture land to subdivided into less than 1 acre each.

Oyes, Got info from a friend. The GP bill is or waiting to be tabled in the Parliament. Check it out!!!!!

Just my friendly advice to you.

1. If you don't have any basic knowledge of cleaning nests or worst if you don't know anything about EBN, then rather don't waste the money on going to the seminar and learn so little but spend so much.
2. There are many EBN dry cleaning houses in Malaysia and you may want to go there first and learn alittle about dry cleaning before going to attend seminar on cleaning EBN as most of these seminar are just a day or two. During these two days, you just learn the very basic of dry claening EBN and I don't believe that it is worth the money spend unless you already know some and wish to learn more.
3. During my term as our local Association President, we did organised a course on Dry cleaning of EBN for our members and the whole two days course only cost the Association Rm3000 for the whole Association and the attendance is about 30 members...... making approximate Rm100 per person including hotel conference room and tea breaks inclusive.
4. Better get your local Swiftlets Association to organise the course for the members and you need not go to KL or Penang to attend the seminar or course.
5. Only when you want to go commercialise i.e setting up a shop selling processed EBN, you may want to go further and learn about how to clean well, maximize profit, cutting losses and packaging. Learning how to clean is simple but how not to waste and do it fast is rather difficult. My wife and I did learn but only my wife survive till today as she has the patient to sit for hours picking up feathers and dirt from the nests...... and she can't coup up with the orders from friends as production is rather slow. Kalau cari makan, sudah mati lama dah!

Just my experience on Dry Cleaning of EBN.

So you see if all are included in the seminar............how to finish in a day or two. I have been to a 2 days course for export of EBN and till today I still can't export EBN to China. Maybe, I am plain slow and if you are attending the above course, may I learn from you later on the sure way of exporting EBN to China.

So much to learn at the seminar and I wish you success in you success in all your intention and future.


Since, it has been rather quiet recently @ this forum and may I have a suggestion that let discuss about swiftlet keeping as this forum is all about providing swiftlets sanctuaries. Let start with What is the best type of entrance until World Cup ends.

There shall not be any winner or loser, just plain discussion as what you think is best for our best friends, the tiny little swiftlets.

1. To start off, I believe that the best of entrance is the open window type although I never done one but it is the most difficult type of entrance to prefect as it's also the most problematic of all type of entrances. In this type of entrance, you need to consider all the natural elements like wind, light and many others. Solving the noise complaints will almost be impossible.

2. Doing it @ agriculture land, predators and natural elements are the most difficult part.

What say you all?

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