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 V3. Swiftlet Keeping Discussion, Home of Fuciphagus Domesticus

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Bobby C
post Jul 30 2010, 06:54 PM

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Bobby C
post Aug 18 2010, 07:07 PM

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QUOTE(West Wing @ Aug 18 2010, 06:13 PM)
Thanks for the video on Rebacca's place.
It's either that her properties has plenty of insects and possible mosquitoes breeding ground and the swiftlets are having a good time or that's a really good location for a BH?

Rebacca dear, Care to sell?
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Hahaha, typical Mat Salleh trying to rob the locals with bull talk. blush.gif

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post Aug 19 2010, 09:06 AM

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QUOTE(tuckfook @ Aug 18 2010, 09:44 PM)
Unfortunately Rebecca is not a mat salleh ! She's a Malaysian. Father was a planter,,,I think,,, and mother chinese.
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Sounds like mat salleh from the way she writes. May be half mat salleh. This lady appear to be quite rude in the blog, personal attack first even before introduction. This type of people no need to give in, the more you give in the more they will step on your head. But of course need good guys also to do the pr at the same time.

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post Aug 20 2010, 11:29 AM

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Just a few questions to hope to clear the air in Penang:-

1. Claim by the heritage guys that bhs threatening UNESCO listing. How true is this? From the UN or from local chaps trying to find excuses?

ii. Are there evidences that swiftlet causing damages to the heritage buildings in Penang as such only modern buildings can house swiftlets?

iii. Are there evidences that bh owners causing damages to facade of heritage buildings during reno? If they already complied with the renovation procedures and by-laws for heritage buildings, what else do the heritage guys want? The heads of the owners?

iv. Are there evidences that swiftlets chasing away tourists as claim by the heritage guys? Should be the other way round as tourists especially from China will certainly attracted to this unique way of natural 'farming' in shophouses.

v. What are the contributions of heritage buildings to tourism industry? Pearl of Orient lost its shine >10yrs ago before bhs came to town. So swiftlet industry shall not be blamed for their down fall.

vi. What are the contributions of tourism industry in the nation? Understand foreign tourists spending less than our locals spending in overseas? Believe swiftlet industry contributes more or on par as tourism industry. Both are equally important. Swiftlet industry in fact can help to attract foreign tourists.

Again, the above need datas from various departments to crack their heads before formalize any policies for the good of the country overall.

p/s:- One small bullet for the heritage guys. Current GDP/capital ~ Usd8000 per pax. What heritage guys can contribute to raise GDP/capital to double by 2020? icon_rolleyes.gif

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post Aug 23 2010, 05:56 PM

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From personal experience, real red nest are more orangery color, color is uneven, some darker some lighter, when kept long for mths or yrs it will turn darker orange.

But those sold in some even premium chinese medical shops noticed were dark red, color evenly distributed, all look the same, as red as liver color. How can, different birds, different nest but all same color tone? Looks quite fake, but price are premium. Give free also dare not eat.

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post Sep 1 2010, 06:44 PM

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Use Fendona to flush out robbers and thieves of the nation during this Merdeka celebration, if tat possible!
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post Sep 13 2010, 04:48 PM

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Tuck Fook,

Notice the no bird zone located at the furthest end from your control room at the ground, correct me if wrong. Could it be the tweeters at the furthest end emit no sound as such attract no birds?
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post Sep 13 2010, 06:37 PM

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You should check the volume of internal tweeters in this area. Are they working well?
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post Oct 8 2010, 06:25 PM

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QUOTE(ornimann @ Oct 8 2010, 02:32 PM)
Just yesterday I read a post by our very own  m'sian swiftlet idol cum adviser cum passionate enthusiast about how he convinced a newbie to build a standalone bh on his piece of land after testing the area with good macros even telling him he is onto a goldmine  with the possibilty of making  the area into an ecopark.
And here comes the THE SHIT..... HAVE THIS BH BUILT AND GET
READY FOR THE TOWN BHS TO BE KICKED OUT.
THat post has been taken off possibly he sensed his mistake. He had been an adviser to a number of town bh owners n getting well paid for his services.
Imagine paying good money to him to tell u get ready to be kicked out n he is laughing all the way to the bank.
How do u describe such a hypocrite ?  Just beware of this guy born with distorted genes.
There u go on consultants , advisers !!!
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Who's that Swiftlet Idol?

Hairy Crab again? rclxub.gif
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post Oct 11 2010, 06:32 PM

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Anyone heard BFM Radio this morning? They interview Head of NKEA on agricultural. Under agricultural they have identified 3 potential sectors ie herbal, seaweed and swiftlet farming to drive the ETP.

The interviewer asked how they are going to deal with the complaint of noise and so call hygiene in urban area, the head mentioned they have given green light thru town councils, associations and GAPH to regulate the industry in urban area. He also mention self-regulation (hear that fellow men/women, your future in your own hands)! This is good news. Yes, we need regulation, not total ban. Else how to feed nearly 30 mil population in the country?

Head also mentioned top bn producers are Indo and Philippine?! What? Mixed up with seaweed already too many thing in his mind.

Not mention a single word on Perhilitan; which is good news. Finally this corrupt dept got major restructuring after Anson Wong arrest. Bye bye Perhilitan!

Next is how to deal with this Hairy Crab and eco developers? How to stop them from back-door advocating closing of >50,000 bhs in town and transfer them to their ecoparks? Hello sirs, each new decent bh (not your container bh) cost average $500k incl land x 50,000 = RM25 billion! HC and eco-developers, are you prepared to compensate the same?! Kok is cheap.

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post Oct 13 2010, 01:14 PM

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QUOTE(John Smith @ Oct 12 2010, 12:12 PM)
Below are the Youtube Links of Swiftlet Farming - Container Birdhouse

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oQiQazFD8Yw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mszhratBCoc
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O3JF5WN83FA

Low investment for new comers. Only 60+ k
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Can cellullose withstand water and high humidity?

Note following definitions of cellulose on the Web:

* a polysaccharide that is the chief constituent of all plant tissues and fibers
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* Cellulose is an organic compound with the formula , a polysaccharide consisting of a linear chain of several hundred to over ten thousand β(1→4) linked D-glucose units.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cellulose

* A complex carbohydrate that forms the main constituent of the cell wall in most plants and is important in the manufacture of numerous products, such as paper, textiles, pharmaceuticals, and explosives; A polysaccharide containing many glucose units in parallel chains
en.wiktionary.org/wiki/cellulose

* cellulosic - a plastic made from cellulose (or a derivative of cellulose)
wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn

* The main structural material of plants, the fibres of which are used for textiles, paper and synthetic resins.
www.unesco.org/webworld/mdm/administ/en/guide/guide011.htm

* basic substance of paper manufacture derived from plant tissues.
www.baph.org.uk/general%20reference/glossary%20of%20papermaking%20terms.htm

* the substance which makes up the essential parts of tissues and fibres in plants, wood, linen and paper.
www.ento.csiro.au/education/glossary.html

* The fundamental constituent of the cell wall of all green plants. It is tough and fibrous and is the principal structural material of plants.
www.animalinfo.org/glossc.htm

* A carbohydrate in plants. Cellulose makes plant stems, stalks and trunks rigid and gives structure to cell walls.
www.greatlakesbioenergy.org/research/bioenergy-glossary/

* part of plant cells that is not digestible by most animals
doylebluffs.com/glossary.html

* A form of insulation made from recycled material and treated to be flame- and insect-retardant.
conservation.bgesmartenergy.com/residential/home-performance-w/-energy-star/homeowners/glossary

* The main substance in the cell walls of plants, which is used in making paper, artificial fibers, and plastics.
www.calrecycle.ca.gov/Organics/Glossary/

* Similar to a starch, but organized in a mirror aspect; cellulose cannot be broken down by starch enzymes, and vice versa.
www.howtobrew.com/glossary.html

* Indigestible fiber in foods.
moveit4.org/dictionary.php

* a natural polymer found in wood and other plant material.
matse1.mse.uiuc.edu/polymers/glos.html
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post Oct 14 2010, 06:51 PM

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QUOTE(John Smith @ Oct 14 2010, 10:49 AM)

Containers BH provides an alternative choice for the newbiz. Swiftlet farming failure rates are high and no one commands the swiflet language, some have made very thorough survey, provides 5 stars environment, complied to all the basic requirements of what swiflets wanted based on the experience of the successful farmers, engaged the same consultant to put up the identical BH in all aspects plus sound nearby the successful BH but birds are not staying. The so called renowned consultants can't answered why.Only God knows why as we are not swiftlets.

Many said the ideal temperature is 26-29, right humidity level is 80-90. Who comes out with the formula? The successful predecessors / swiftlet farmers? How many knows what sort of smell the swiftlets actually like? All are based on what so called surveys and past experiences. But these experiences do not apply to all as many BHs with temperature at 32-33 and lower humidity are doing very well. Some even harvesting the birdnest whereby birds are still in the birdnest next to it and the birds not flying away. Who said the BHs must have birdshits around and the smell must be there? There are successful BHs which are very clean. Some owners go in with cigaretts and birds are still occupying. Same aroma may not useful to the other.

If all can be controlled, the failure rate won't be that high!! What one need is to provide and complied to the basic requirements of a BH. Containers if well insulated can also be converted to a successful BH. SO long the temperature is not way out.

Newbiz should not use large capital to start the first investment, start small , gain experience and after the first one is generating good income then re invest is more advisable then start big and invest into a big concrete structure.Container BH can easily last 20 years or more if well maintained. you may invest with full confidence that it is an ideal location, best design by a famous SIFU, six star environment etc. Only God knows whether the birds will stay or not. At least the container type can relocate and you won't lose all your investments.

Concrete structure may last for a few generations, but we do not know if by then birdnest still in good demand or not. Who knows by then it is so expensive only a handful can afford and demands drops ? When the world resources exhausted and everyone go back to basics? Or some better products available at cheaper price ?

To friends who are fortunate enough to have a few very successful BHs, you need not past all or so many to your next generation. Set up a trust fund and donate to the needy and less fortunate, (such like old folk homes and the hadicappeds) is more meaningful as for the time being it generates constant income to them. For those who survives and benefited shall appreciate more of your contribution and you will be remembered for generations. It is good for the swiflets also as they have donated their efforts to help the needies.

West wing, solely my opinion, no arguement. The world will be peaceful if everyone is rich. Rich in wealth and in heart.
Your next generations may not work and only spend if they do not know what to look for in their life journey. So look forward to Bill Gates and Warren.

Good luck to all swiflet farmers.
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Certainly this is a good alternative for those of us who cannot take too much risk since failure rate is 80%.

May be an indicative price per sq ft? What are the option cost to improve durability, internal water resistance to high humidity, external resistance to solar radiation etc? Do you do plastering to smoothern the internal wall? Sure there are many options to upgrade, vendors/builders should be able to advise.


Added on October 14, 2010, 7:02 pm
QUOTE(aeiou228 @ Oct 14 2010, 11:36 AM)
Which brick is harder ?

Ground flour walls = double layer clay bricks. (Mainly for security reason, insulation not really necessary because it's ground flour)
1st flour = Double layer bricks with outer layer clay bricks, inner layer silica bricks.
2nd flour and up = single layer silica bricks or light weight concrete bricks.

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My engineer friend told me light weight bricks have lousy sound proof property then clay bricks. Don't know about silica though.
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Whether double bricks or single brick not much different. Have you seen how the reno contractor hammer the brick wall? So easy, one man one hammer. If got the money, go for RC wall, rebar and concrete at least a human height so not so easy to hammer. But again if they come in an excavator also back to square one. We can oni slow down the break in process. May be vibration detector install on wall surface too. So once hammer trigger alarm.

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post Dec 22 2010, 03:59 PM

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The latest 2010 Mega Christmas Sale talk contributed by the two buggers in the blogosphere to Malaysia Swiftlet Industry must have stirred some mega jokes in towns.

This is serious allegation. But, don't take them too seriously, we know their background. If that's true, all toilet deodorizers around the country will be affected. Big MNCs like Sara Lee have to recall their products from Giants, Tescos, Carrefours, Juscos etc. Health Ministry will be informed to look into all hotels, shopping centres etc to ban all these aerosol products.

Yup, Santa Clause certainly coming to town with the 2 jokers in Malaysia.

Still remember which joker recommended putting Fedona into humidifiers and made ur Bhs into gas chamber for both birds and humans? Tats certainly going to create more damage to the mother nature due to human stupidity cum greed. Another one putting eerie looking green water into humidifier wonder what kind of green water is tat? Whether approve by Ministry of Health?

Peace to all esp during this Christmas seasons. Life short, don't because of greed, forget u are human after all.

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post Dec 28 2010, 01:15 PM

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Forum like Low Yatt is the best platform to function as 'self-regulatory body' to monitor new products, consultants, trainers, gurus etc.

Even professional have regulatory bodies like Sirim, BEM, PAM, Bar Council, to certify, regulate, monitor, share info etc.

If a teacher/guru dare to just put a mark here in the forum to acknowledge their presence already earn them a huge credit. Dare to put their head on the shooting board as readers/forumers are the judges. Where are our 1Malaysia Boleh bloggers?! Dare not even say 'hi' in Low Yatt?

Ok, swiflet industry may be not up to mark yet. Any Tom, Tick and Hairy also can claim to be professional gurus with no professional liability or indemnity ie I-say-only, do it at your own risk. But when you look at their charges, wow, even professional wouldn't dare to ask for tat amount for a day tok kok or an hour kok at the kopitiam.

Yup, forum is the best judge. Bloggers can claim till heaven knows of their wonder skills/products/magix touch. But where is the proof? At least before/after photos or CCTV video over couple of months lah as proof. Not just Youtube showing swiftlets flying around, in/out and never stay.

Currently, many self-proclaimed sifus are making an ass out of thousands of investors who are still waiting to turn around their fail investment. Oh boy, 70-80% failure/slow rate out of >100,000 bhs around the country. Con-sultant fatt lah. >70k-80k Bhs to be treated in the country, each one just donate $1k to their pocket, you can image better to be a NATO than a breeder anytime.

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Yup, coolandy is right. You can get the same amplifier at Jln Pudu, $200-$230. After use, can reuse for ur new bh. Alternatively, can hire/buy from Sam Klang bh accessories shop too.

Audax amplifier also available nowaday. Just got a unit ac-dc type. Quality better others of similar class, with larger transformer and fan. thumbup.gif

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post Jan 27 2011, 11:21 AM

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QUOTE(mois @ Jan 26 2011, 01:33 PM)
I wonder how to break in if we use steel/concrete doors? Go in through monkey house would be suicide unless they have tactical gears.  laugh.gif
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Steel/concrete doors but surrounding walls are bricks. Unless RC walls with reebars. Similarly at the roof.

Check the door hinge too, a lot of people overlook it. One knock on the hinge the whole door collapse rclxub.gif laugh.gif

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Gong Xi Fatt Cai to all breeders, readers, bloggers, governors etc.

May I ask if there is any Teluk Intan breeder here? Any problem/kacau with the town council so far? Town council issue any license? Understand from some developer, no license issued no problem so far. What is your comment?


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QUOTE(swiftcurrent @ Feb 8 2011, 01:24 PM)
Gong Xi Fa Cai to all  rclxms.gif

hi Bobby

hope this news article will give you some idea of BH licensing situation in Teluk Intan.  Some 500 licences were issued there.

http://swiftletguide.blogspot.com/2009/06/...let-saliva.html
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Thanks you Swiftcurrent for your kind and swift reply!

Just notice one commercial development next to residential estate but also next to hotspot. Still think think whether can invest. Other can, why not. Sound issue can be settled, up to breeder jurisdiction.

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Ideally, BH in farm the best but do town folks ie small fellows like us ie probably majority 80% of investors have any other options?

Unless you got many many hectares/acres of farm land where you can 'hide' you BHs, control the access/road to ur bhs or got some 'protection' or eyes from plantation workers else it is kind of similar like hole in the Bh where many loss their life. Tapping rubber nowadays also kena rob, palm oil kena steal, go farm house kena knock on the head, rob lucky not kena rape ... security main headache lah, besides high risk, predators and other stuff where harder to control compare with town BHs. When agri BHs still new not many birds not problem lah like predator those fellows know where to attack. Do we have any other choice?

Besides, bank also don't want to borrow u money for BHs in farm lah. Banks are smart, risk too high, build at ur own risk! Want to borrow, only borrow price for land!

Nowadays towns got too many many bhs, like the article in the blog T.Itan alone already 500 licenses issued. Other towns up north lagi scary, heard up to 1000, houses more than birds.

But security wise, yup there will be break in, petty thieves etc. But town bhs easier to manage, with many eyes around.

Yup, BHs in farms the 'best' but do we have any choice? Money or your life?! rclxub.gif

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The gentleman in the video mentioned there were only 2 home breed farms in the world, 1 in Indo 1 in Msia.

Note Pak Agong home breed farm in Indo is covered with netting ie like bird park everything is contained inside the farm with net. Touch wood but if disease was to spread from human to birds in the farm, everything is still contained in the farm including the disease.

Whereas for the Malaysian guy, note it is open air. You hand breed the birds and release into your bird house and they are free to fly to the wild and mix around with wild swiftlets. Tat's dangerous.

Vet Dept should curb, discourage and ban such practice. Else, they shouldn't even give any lecture on farming. These are elementary knowledge on biology.


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