Have a coffee talk with the President Dato this morning on the 1GP and was told that he has spoken to the MB and that the state of Trg should have a standardise regulation for the BH for the whole state. He assured me that it OK to build higher BH @ agriland but maybe for Trg and his words only.....and if the GP is not for the whole country, then why having the National GP if it's not enforce and that any state can has its own regulations. It's back to square one.


What is the most important of all is that we need to keep peace and harmony ot otherwise no matter what are agreed or allowed, if the raayat disapprove of it, we are as good as dead and gone!!!! So, be considerate and kind to your neighbours and that remember that the area doesn't belong to you alone. Never build one near residential area and if you are already there, ensure that your tweeters aren't diverted toward the residence area and that the night sound are cut off during the night. I still remember that one senior officer once told me that even if the GP allows you but if more than 3 people complain over your BH, the authorities will need to take action on your BH........ If you want to have 24 hrs and loud V, then build one in the middle of your plantation so that you will disturb no one but the owls and snakes and they will surely hear the calls of the chicks and venture into your BH for a meal or two.

Don't wait for the authority to issue you with a order then you panic and seek the help of the local association chief and maybe then, it is too late cos your BH may by then already gone.

What's about other places and I think that it's best to forward here if there is problem, then at least the government esp. PM's men do know and may able to solve our problems as PM is 100% behind the industry and 1Malaysia concept. PM wants us to know that he cares and we do want him to know and help if he cares.

It should state that it is the responsibility of the owner to ensure that the workers follow certain procedures and conditions like no harm must come to the chicks or the eggs and to ensure that harvesting is done properly and right time. To me, Tagging of swiftlet is really the joke of the century.


I often told my friends in the field that I will try to make the swifltlets BH as natural as possible so as to prevent any stress to the birds. Like happy workers, the birds will start producing nests once they settle down. To me, agriculture BHs need not the same as the town's as they are away from human being and as such, the requirement should be more toward that of the swiftlet's requirements and conditions......prefect sanctuary.

If we are to consider cleaning our agriculture BH every month, then it will be a waste of time, money and effort not to mention disturbing the birds thus creating lesser production and increment of nests. The birds like the way it is but because we are in town where there are also human being, we need to compromise on win win term although, it's best to leave the bird at peace to to do their things ...

I really have alot of idea on how to solve town BH problems if the authorities wish to listen and some money needed to be spend and this don't go well with some BH owners. They may curse me for bringing it up but then to me, I feel that we just can't sweep the problem pertaining to the town's BHs under the carpet and it's best to solve it so that all will live in harmony and peace shall prevail.

There are nothing that cannot be solve in the matter if all are willing to give and take and compromised if needed. Lastly, I wish to state here is that I would prefer if the govt only ensure some regulations and requirements for the town's BH but leave more space for the agriculture ones to grow or otherwise with too many restrictions, requirements and conditions, I can't see a bright future for the industry even thought there are really so many interested Malaysian willing to venture into this industry and as we talk, properties like land is rocketing up and up and developers and contractors are cashing in the industry. If the Govt do properly nurture the industry, it may be bring so many downstream buz that we can imagine.

I would like to bring in some points from Dato' Tok address at K Trg on GP1 on 26-28 September2010.

1.The government wishes to see the industry grow and expand to the area surrounding the town, kampung, ladang and even padi field. With this industry, it will bring up many poor kampung folks from poverty. Alot of kampung's land is being wasted and should be converted to BH to bring income to the owner.
2.Tujuan Lesen is to regulate the industry but not to seek HASIL TAMBAHAN.
3. 1GP is to give opportunity to the raayat to get new source of income and to regulate the industry in a healthy environment.
4. Departments are to assist and provide advice and solution to the industry on how to maximize output and to strengthen the industry which is the aim of the present government in mind.

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Added on September 29, 2010, 10:11 amR U a Buyer and if you are, then what's the offer for the broken nests and maybe, I can get you what you want and of course, only if the price is good.

Current price????? Now, Indo buyers are trying to push the price down and unless China buyers and Vietnam buyers are here then we are in serious trouble as they maybe ganging up for a kill.....meaning forcing the price to go down and each time by Rm200 per KG......if you remember the last time when the price drop to Rm1*** per KG............I was lucky then as I stay put and stock up and I made profit. Hope this time, I will be lucky again.

The Indo agents are giving alot of excuses for it and many owners have taken the bites and sell low. If there are ready sellers for the low price, the price will definitely keep dropping and dropping....and I am holding as far as I can but I don't know how long I can hold.

Best way is to group up and sell directly to China but till now, Veterinary Dept. still do not know what and how to do it so if anyone here do know of the legal way to export, kindly let us know so that we, the BH owners will not be at the mercy of the Indo Buyers. The more buyers, the better for us.....that's what I think it should be unless someone here think otherwise. Do Share, man.



This post has been edited by West Wing: Sep 29 2010, 10:11 AM

Tuck Fook, my friend,

I got the following information from internet and is what you mean by neon transformer the same as the following as I was really interested in making one for my coming soon agriculture BH fencing.(Neon sign transformer From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia)

Electrocution - The shock from a neon sign transformer could be lethal. The high voltage allows a large current to flow, even with light contact against dry skin. The transformer is current-limited, but typically to a level well above the threshold for ventricular fibrilation. Disconnect power to the transformer before servicing. Use appropriate insulation around connections; typical insulation, including standard electrical tape and most insulated wire, is rated only for much lower voltages.........

This post has been edited by West Wing: Sep 29 2010, 08:48 PM

What's about Flyback Trans that you may get FOC from old TV set and the Arc of High Voltage will definitely scare away any predators even human, for the fence, I mean and not for the entrance hole cos you will zap the swiftlets as well.

Any danger of it but once hit, always remember cos I got it once thirty years ago and still remember it.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Sep 30 2010, 05:20 PM

Congratulation! We normally keep the first batch of nests to give to relatives to try out and also for our own family to drink to the success of the BH.

For me, I still keep the first few pieces of first batch of nests from my first BH and although it's now yellow, but it bring back sweet memories of the days we used sit on the green or CCTV for hours to count the number of birds entering like 1,2,3,4,5, then -1 as one bird left and now, we can't be bothered at all to even count the nests. It's just like been the first time being a father and you are worried when no bird returns and so happy when you find traces of nests in the BH.

Buyers...still got but then very low price. If you don't have buyer and need now, PM me and I can supply you with some of the buyers' contact.

Waaa...it's getting very high tech for an old man like me but it's very good for the industry. Never know that we have all kind of experts around to help us with the burglars. Don't worry, I am catching up and you all just go on and all must thank TF and Sifus around here that care and help. God bless you all with lots of nests....swiftlets's one i mean and not the swallow type.

Carry on and I am learning good. Thanks

ps. just maybe, other Sifu with knowledge on BH construction or recommending Bird sounds and other relevent suggestions like better way for harvesting, all for the better of all in the industry. We all share, don't we?

There is no way for the parent to bring up 4 chicks and even at 3, it is already very difficult. I haven't found one nest having 3 eggs in my BHs and maybe because I never take unused nests and always allow the birds to fledged before taking the nests....unless your is the hot dog type of nest which is made by afew pairs of birds at the same location. Maybe, your's is the starting of a new species of EBN swiftlets and since you are the founder; you got the right to give it a name.........hahahaha.

Although there are really many possibilities, maybe some here have similar happenings and can give an reason for the 4 eggs in the " nest riddle".

Taking about EBN price, here, it was Rm4700, 5 days ago and Rm4600 3 days ago but some information that other places are selling them @ Rm4300, wonder if it is the work of Indo magician @ work. I should have sold mine for Rm4750 when offered last week....sob

Wau, no wonder that your EBN is big to hold 4 chicks. Coming to surprises, only this morning a friend ( new Biz) phone me up from KB and ask the following questions.

1. How come his BH in KB has so many birds entering but no nests.

2. Why did the birds lay their eggs on the floor at the BH in KB. ( about 30 eggs were found at the floor in the BH when he visited the BH yesterday.)

I laughed and ask if he is joking or what and he told me that all his friends also laughed at his words? He pleaded with me for answers.

My reply is that .

Your BH must be in a row of shoplots and he replied "yes"
Since he is from JB and his BH is in KB and a care taker was paid to take care of the BH.

From what he told me that he has fake nests in his BH and therefore, there are no possibly that the birds will lay eggs on the floor and swiftlets cannot stand on the floor and not to mention laying egg on the floor. So, the riddle of the eggs on the floor unbroken must have being left there by someone removing the nests and still have the heart to leave you with your offspring if you care to breed....he must be a joker of the greatest kind.

Any bright reason for the "Eggs on the floor" riddle?????

Missed a foot and fall, we all have seen it and are very common in BH.

Bad eggs and occasionally, accidental eggs falling off the nests do occur but never 30 eggs. If the BH is not suitable for the birds in the first place, the birds will not stay in the bh and still lay eggs and where are the nests?

Coming monsoon time, there will certainly be some dead chicks and bad eggs due to cold weather and parent birds unable to return to feed the chicks because of the heavy monsoon rain. I strongly urge all owners not to do what the buyers want to is to harvest the nests and throw away the eggs. According to them, the eggs will not hatch anyway but I disagree with them and only agree that some will be bad eggs and dead chicks but some will survive to see the day.

One buyer is already telling me that next harvest will be near and the nests will be white. As for me, I let God decide if the chicks should live or die and let nature run it course. I won't want to dirty my hand and soul for a million ringgit.

Many years ago, my dad was admitted to specialist centre and was diagnose with bone cancer and must be operated immediately. I argued that it is only swelling and pain from the a fall a day before. The bone specialist asked me who is the specialist, me or him? So, my father was operated on and sample send to KL for evaluation and meanwhile, given so many antibiotic for the bone cancer but then after a week, the sample returned negative.

I went to see another specialist on how came a specialist make such mistake but got this follow replied, """"We DOCTOR are not GOD and we do make mistake and you should have gone to 3 specialists before deciding for the operation..........Yeh, it was my mistake!!!"

The moral of the story is that when the consultant tell you to renovate when your BH failed, check with 2 more before deciding. Only if the 3 consultants concurred, then you may decide to re-do your BH as it's costly.
Otherewise, when fail again.....the consultant will tell you that they are not GOD and do make mistake....

Sometime, it's only time and you may have to wait a little longer and maybe, what the consultant did may even make it worst...just beware!!! Get at least a few advices before deciding cos out of the pot into the fire maybe and it's smarter to rethink and get more suggestions.

Did I told you of a BH which is in a core area and all his neighbours are having thousand of nest except his and he keep on renovating and renovating and still fail until he got the cancer and cannot go into the BH and after a year, his BH is successful but then he is no longer around to see it as he is RIP. He will be happy to see if he can!!!!!

Confirmed, if you keep your EBN dry and well...they seem to last forever but make very sure that it's dry or otherwise, it will become moldy. Even moldy, is it safe to eat but then I did after flushing over running water and I survive and still healthy so I believe that it's safe unless any professional here do prove otherwise.

In bad time like now when the price is poor, you may want to keep the nests for future trading or at least when the price is better. Dry the nests well but make sure that you don't handle the nest while they are very dry or else you will break some of them and will also lose out. Unless you have a chiller and then you may put them into your chiller and will be able to preserve them without drying and infact, better if you wet alittle when place in the chiller as the chiller will dry the nests.

As for the Red Nest, you got to be very careful as alot in the market are man made color so it's not good for health. My thinking is that if you are buying birdnest, why not buy it at the purest form and that's white nests and then if you need minerals, add iron or calcium or any of others, add them in when cooking and they are relatively much cheaper that birdnests. With mineral in the nests, you can cook longer hour without dissolving the nests as the metal in the nest lower down the temperature of the nest.

Redness or other colors are because of the minerals found in the caves and food. You are paying for the impurities which I think that you should and infact need to get discount instate of paying higher for it. But bearing in mind that the cave nests are more difficult to obtain, then to be fair, the same price should be right and with it, no one would want to add color to their nest to make it red or green for that matter. Red, green or white, the choice is yours, the consumers and best if the price is the same. Am I right and been fair to all, BHs owners and cave nests collectors?

For those who want to try something new.....and have redness in their BH's nest, I believe that with oxidized metal water, you can create color nest in your BH. Red, blue and Green nests, any taker? I have found that iron with oxygen in air create redness in nests...

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 9 2010, 02:11 PM

I hope that the seminars bring in many Malay Bro to the industry.......and Pak Tok will be the next Fed. President............but hope that after the Kg. folks get the birds in years to come but will not forgo the town BHs. Hope that they will still allow towns' BHs to remain forever as long as there are peace and understanding @ towns. My dream and hopes. " Jangan dapat Anak, lupa Ibu"

The seminar ; It's suppose to help our Malay Bro into the Buz as we are supposely 1Malaysia .......we like to share our wealth and knowledge and hope they too share the same feeling as we are satu Bangsa Malaysia, keturuan atau Agama lain maybe.............. For our country to be prosperous, strong and united, the present 1Malaysia Government under the leadership of Pak Najib must create a Malaysian identity or otherwise, chaos is a matter of time when thing are scare and time are bad. Forget what our DrM did to us; divide and rule and play on the sentiment on races. Only the older days Kampong folks can be fooled but now, most of us are all "bersekolah" so the leader just cannot get vote by buying or just giving out money or land during election. We are all Malaysian and we all want a strong and prosperous country.

So, those "Bangsa Malaysia keturuan Melayu atau lain lain" who wish to learn the trade can always free to call on me, Abang West Wing to learn and remember, it's free and "dengan Iklas dari hati, saya ajar". IshaAllah, kita akan berjaya bersama sama.

ps. kalau ada salah, maaf yah!

"PM received ...worse still...i also heard that he not only cheat money, he also cheat girls...can say tipu money tipu color... "

After so many times, the subjects mentioned in V1 and V2, there are still newbiz got cheated by Con and worst the old C..... Be careful, friends in the forum cos what you heard in the forum are mostly the truth. There are still shark, smarter and more clever now than before and you maybe the next victim.

Those kena tipu, please do let us know as the newbiz around need to be more careful if any new smarter jaws around.

Also, only cash when selling EBN...........and know your buyers well or otherwise, don't leave your nests for a minute with the buyers or else, nests and buyer gone missing.

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Added on October 10, 2010, 6:51 pmA malay BH newbiz whom I help on many occasions just returned from the forum@ KL came to see me. He said that Dato' Tok talked alot and " what bawah tak sama". I jokingly replied, mana sama bawah, bawah tak sunat....but in our heart, we know what he meant.......

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 10 2010, 06:51 PM

I missed it as I wasn't at home at the time but from your posting above, it's always the same complaints over and over again but the these so called problems can be easily solved.

Those Anti BH only want us out even if there is no problem at all and maybe because they are just jealous of us and once they try it, they will be our greatest supporters as they do have the loudest mouths. As like @ Seremban, I spoke of all problems @ towns can be solved or corrected but the Majlis group from Seremban stand up and told all that the MPK want BHs out of town whether or not it create a problem is immaterial.

For those stubborn headed people, there is no way but to induce them into the industry. Personally, I did my very best to make peace with my neighbours by ensuring that their complaints on BHs in the neighbourhood is taken care of. That's why I always spoke of having a local Swiftlets Association to assist in the complaints and unhappiness of the town folks if any toward the trade. All matter pertaining to the industry can be forwarded to the Association and the BOD should and must take positive action to clear any misunderstanding and unhappiness esp. sound pollution which till now still create problem due to some stuborn fools in the trade.



Like one owner of a new BH @ my place which refused to abide by our advice and later got a letter from the MPK require him to return the building to the former status within 2 weeks. He then went to the Association to seek help from the Association and the Association went to help him to solve the matter ( if leave it to me, I will refuse to help him in the matter) and luckily with the good relationship that the Association have with the MPK, the matter was considered suspended and no action was taken by the MPK. On the advice from the Association, the owner concerned has written a letter to apologizes for disturbing the peace and will in future abide all rules and regulations. The Association has also warned the culprit that the Association will not help him in any future action taken by the MPK on him.

So all here, we are here trying to solve our problems, if you can't help but at least, don't create trouble for the industry. We are already in the storm with bad wind blowing all directions without you in the ship rocking the ship. Sit quitely and let other brave men try hard to save the ship from sinking.

If swiftlets dropping in the BH is a problem, then what about the swallows and pigeons droppings outside isn't a greater problem???? When you are bias, you sure come out with a reason or two.....biasa lah. Latest way, teach your swiftlets to use the toilet bowl, but then, the Anti S will come out with other complaints.

For readers with friends doing what not right, do advice them as your's are also sharing the same fate for if the ship sank, all are gone.

Ps: Hope that I didn't hurt anyone with my sincere and honest comments on the subject above.

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Added on October 11, 2010, 10:57 amI don't think that Dato Beh is doing BH consultancy but he is a buyer of EBN. He sells directly to China and recently, I heard that he and afew others suffered some losses due to some problems exporting the EBN to China. If Dato is a consultant, then I think he is quite capable to do it as he do have quite a number of successful BHs and understand swifltets well.

Anyone here know why so that we do not have to suffer the same consequence and problem like Dato and friends. Dato is still OK as he has many BHs and one loss consignment only make a tiny hole in his pocket but to most of us, habis harta lah, jadi bankrupt!!!

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 11 2010, 10:57 AM

All come to a question " IF "

If we didn't disturb our neighbours, will we have to tackle the sound complaint?
If we have been nice and considerate to our neighbours, will we get so many complaints?
If we listen to our friends and not our consultants, won't it be a nicer now?
If we did talk and impressed upon the reporters at the scene about our good aim and cooperation, will we be geeting better coverage over the show?

So many IFs but some of us never learn.

The reporters can see and what they see, they don't like but then with your explaination, the reporters will understand more.
The reporters can hear and what they hear, they are not happy and we shouldn't have done that in the first place.

Why the GP required the BH to be away from public area and most of it is because of the sound disturbances which draw too much complaints to the government......now, those near these area maybe in trouble all because of those selfish ones............I am quite safe as I took precaution long ago and not doing it at sensitive areas and only open roof types. For those who have BHs at those banned areas in GP1, why wait, try find a solution to enable your BHs to remain either by ensuring that no sound and full cooperation to ensure 100% cleanliness, anything is better than having to move, right?

For new ones, try building BH @ agriculture land to prevent any misfortune that may occur and don't gamble cos if you loss, you lose a big fortune. I, too see the light and not investing anymore @ town and is going to try my first one @ agriculture land but shit, the architect still not ready with my plan which I provided all information 2 months ago. I understand Puasa month and then Raya and now ..........Mana dapat cari makan like this!!! Kalau fight fair, mati lama dah! have to kejar again and again.

Thanks..........below is what I disagree all the time and why didn't the Perhilitan take action for caging wild animal if Perhilitan still consider the swiftlets as wild. Or is it because they have "big and small eyes seeing only what they want to see"

(Malaysia Inside Caged Swiftlet Farming Pioneer
Perintis Industri Burung Walet Bersangkar
马来西亚籠式养燕先锋)


How can we caged up wild animal and worst, swiftlets which is free and need large area to feed and not on a man made diet presumably for the swiftlets ( What's really good and safe for the swiftlets in years to come) and the authority cannot allow this to happen under their nose. Caged anmals bring with them caged diseases which will or may affect human being. Diseases from human/ ground to swiftlets and then swiftlets to human after mutation. Why cage up animals which are already migrating to our buildings and not in danger of extinction. I see no logic in it or is it just "Tipu Raayat" or tipu kerajaan.

We have all type of players in for a kill but yet to see bomoh or medium of some sorts claiming to be able to draw swiftlets by witchcraft or spell .......maybe pineapple( WanLai), rice throwing at 4 corners, coconut ( Yachee) place on alter in the BH may attract swiftlets in to your BH. Maybe, P. Ramli calling to the "Jin Walit" to help.

There were this one guy telling another newbiz to place the sifu photo at the entrance hole and once the birds see the the sifu, the birds will obediently fly in and stay...hahaha ..just joking so don't follow or else I B anothe HK.

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Many have been talking about container birdhouse, have a look on the following link and to have an insight into the actual container birdhouse.

The owner has made it a portable one whereby the steel support can be dismantled and container easily hoist to other location should the result is not too encouraging with planks and twitters / audio system / wiring etc remain undisturbed. In fact it also provides room for expansion since it is erected 20 feet above ground. Cost will be much lower if owner appoint steel contractor directly.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LZOGUgkGaWE

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Container BH are only not recommended but is only good for those who are not familiar or confidence in himself. We are looking toward a BH that can last for hundred of years when our future generation will benefit and enjoy. Not just ten of years.

Why need to move your BH if your location is good or otherwise why invest in place which is not suitable just to move later when not successful cos time is money and loss of time is a loss of money, opportunity and interest. Building an unstable BH is like investing in an unstable buz venture and having no confidence in it, you already lose half the battle before going to the field. Better keep the money in the bank instead and be safe and earn 3% interest.

I will consider the treatment used as advertised if it's good but not buying containers to make BH out of it to save cost unless I have containers loitering around. At least, I have a reason for doing it rather than wasting the containers to rust.

My own comments on the matter on container BH.

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Added on October 13, 2010, 12:43 pmCan someone here help me.
My ultrasonic humidifier transducer is gone and upon checking,. I found that one power transistor is gone and where to buy such transistor @15A

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Otherwise, the new transducer will cost me Rm300.

Thank


PS. In Ultrasonic Humidifier, made sure that the transducer is not in the unit itself or otherwise, when the blower fail, the transducer will blow when the mist get to the unit circuit.

This post has been edited by West Wing: Oct 13 2010, 12:43 PM

Many thanks, my friend.

Look like the owner still go beck to concrete but why the initial reason for the container project? one of my friends has tens of containers and he did just that and after so many years, his container BH seem empty and there is a joke among us is that is you want hard boiled eggs, go to CH*** and he has plenty of the swiftlets kind. I heard that he even installed an aircon in his container BH and what the cost of maintenance that be and still no bird lah.

Why go to the trouble of creating a container type of BH unless you have plenty of used containers laying wasting in your yard. Then, I would see the reason why or otherwise, no reason at all for a container type of BH.

By the way, what is better....double layered red bricks or silica type of brick for a BH. Both of these types that I have seen are equally successful but which is better, can anyone tell? The silica brick is known for the insulation property while the red brick has been tested for years with Taiwanese humidifiers running.

Correctly said and there is never any argument on who right or wrong here. All are welcome to forward suggestions, advice or recommendation here. As for rich in heart, that the reason why I am here and so are others cos I have my gain and wish to share the wealth of GOD so that all Malaysian inrespectively of race or color will share. Over the years, I have encouraged at least hundred people, many whom I don't even know to venture into the trade and most of them have been successful. I even guild them for free and sometime provide them with sound but they need to pay for the SD card. Under GOD's eye, all are his Children and we are looking toward the sky for our gain like hoping for gold to fall from the sky but this time it shall be white gold. People sometime go to the extreme like last week, a new BH sacrificed a goat during the opening of the BH....and many having a feast and most importance of all, at least he pray to GOD so that his prayer will be answered.

Nothing personal when I did comment on the container but the insulation may work as many BHs esp in town area may need your services. Many infact have spend so much doing what I believe will be cheaper using your method. Some of my friends went to the extreme of building another roof over the old one to keep the heat out while using your method, all is needed is to spray over the ceiling top. Well, if it work well with the container, then it should work with the premises in town and I personally will welcome the company to give a talk on it at our place for our local association members to share and maybe do the needful.

" If everyone is contented with what he has, then there will no future or improvement". What we need is very little......3 meals a day and a bed to sleep in and why bother so much to even learn or improve. My opinion in life only.