The reason why they cant propose a new system is because it is either free or controlled market. Controlled market as we know is much worse than free market. Look at China before the were demand driven.

Its still a hybrid between free and total controlled, Robert.

Okay, Robert.

Still new looking at both exteremes, it would be possible to picture the in between. Comming up with models out of these concept would be revolutionary and requires a lot of creativity.

Wow Gary, you really like to control people. What if you had two child and then your son dies. You and then not able to get another son because you and your wife no longer have reproduction capacities. Similarly divorcees who remarries cannot have children because they had two in the previous marriage. This will deny the other spouse who was never married of children. Is this a form of justice or just control because the population dont know what is good for them.

Good start lim00b,

Ineffective Regulations.
What produces this? Incompetent leaders. The world is mostly democracy. Should we do away with democracy?

Ever Spiraling Complexities.
It would seem like increasing knowledge is the key to this. The question is could we attain full knowledge? What is knowledge today is a joke tomorrow (example the belief that the earth was flat).

Covert after the Elite Class.
Social strata had always existed. It is human nature to grow a need to strive to be high society? The communist wanted to abolish social strata. In order to do that there is a need for the dictatorship of the "uneducated" masses. What will eventually follow is the withering of the state. This China and many communist countries had shown that it was not possible. The dictators will cling on to their power to continue to lead the masses. Meanwhile new social strata will be created.

Widening Wealth Gap.
This is generated by social strata. Solve that issue and this one here would be easier to handle.

Scandals in the System.
This would be hard to solve. Greed is a human nature. Try asking a kid you do not know to share his candy and the answer is no but he is more than willing to share your candy. Perhaps we can have some way of breeding a nation of zombies by brainwashing.


TS, I pointed out earlier that there is no solution. Anything is just ahybrid of the two existing system. I hope some forumer can think out of the box and shed some light to this.

Beastboy,
Did you realised that you had described incompetent leaders in the following
1) outdated or ill-design regulatons
2) enforcement lax (leadership in rank and file)

The kick-back idea is great. That leads back to the last point of scandal in the system

So come back down the greed problem.

Sprada,
Do you consider China'e economy communistic?

Monstar,
Greed by defination is
A selfish or excessive desire for more than is needed or deserved, especially of money, wealth, food, or other possessions.
http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/greed

Do consider obesity good for lack of a better defination of the word greed?

Sprada,
Then there is no real communist economies. To say that communist economises is less effective is only in theory and textbook exercise. Such exercise I believe is clouded by "capitalistic" ideals.

Back to the question of greed. Are people in "conmmuist" countries not motivate to work because the are not properly rewarded in accordance to their efforts? Would rewardsnecessary be confine to monetary gains? Is there no other forms of motivaton? Yet being demand driven China had resolved this issue. Looking at it from China's prespective I call this "controlled capitalism". As quintessential pointed out their are no austrain economies. Therefore the are also a form of controlled capitilism like China.

Sprada, if there other factors to motivate other than greed, we are still stuck with the greed issue. The excessive desire to possess causing leading to bribery that case a weakness to the system.

Money is nutreal. Good or bad depend on how it is used or aquired. Good or bad is also determine by culture, religion ...

He has his point Wodenus. Less mouths to feed. I rather hope Gary would come out with something new than always repeating the same thing. Perhaps offer himself to be the first to be sterilise to set an example.

On the issue of greed, I like the way Sprada saparated the types of greed. Those deemed as basic necessities, those beyond necessities that will not hurt others. I think this can to some degree pin point the greed issue.

That is not very nice Black Kitty. Even if the economy is in recession you still want to do propaganda on gearing everyone not to be dicks. They kill you and present your life 4 nerzhul.