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plc255
post May 19 2010, 12:23 PM

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flight,

Just a simple question:

How much do you have in your investment portfolio?
6 figures? 7 figures? 8 figures? 9? Or more?

BTW, what I mean here, a RM1 million portfolio would be 7 figures.

Please enlighten us!


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plc255,

Thank you for posting that.

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Just curious, how to see the NTA of the ETF
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This link will show you on daily basis the NAV:

http://announcements.bursamalaysia.com/EDM...AYSIA+KLCI+ETF+


The price should be tracking near that, as the fund manager will have to cater to the fluctuation in price, and according to demand to buy or sell.
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post May 19 2010, 12:32 PM

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flight,

Just a simple question:

How much do you have in your investment portfolio?
6 figures? 7 figures? 8 figures? 9? Or more?


Why does this matter?

My portfolio is in the 6's. I started in the 5's.

edit: i've been doing my own research for about 4 years, I went in during 2008 and late 2009.

This post has been edited by flight: May 19 2010, 12:35 PM
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post May 19 2010, 06:56 PM

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QUOTE(flight @ May 19 2010, 11:58 AM)
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<< Apparently ur lacking in this area called manners. Now I've shown u the good will to explain to u my perspective, if u cant take ur head out of ur ass to smell the fresh air then its just ur loss.>>

You have TWO choices. Either

A) You believe there is MORE THAN one way to invest

B) You don't.

If you believe in (A), then, there are more than ONE RIGHT WAY. I KNOW your perspective. I am showing you my PERSPECTIVE.

MY APPROACH is KISS. Aka, for people not interested in spending that much time on the market.

On the other hand, I spend 4 to 5 years studying PBBank and the industry before I decide to invest on PBBank.

<<Public Bank was trading at RM6,50 for several years before it broke into RM7, there was no "entry price", u saw it going up and bought it, the priod before that it was LOWER than RM7, so how is it ur entry price is higher than the average price at the time?>>

You STILL do not get it. In my system, it does not matter whether it was RM6.50 or RM7. I am looking for dividend yield versus FD. At that time, my criteria was the dividend yield has to be 2 X FD. When it reaches the point, I buy. Then, I go to sleep for a few years.

<< Ur ignorance is just mind boggling. u want 10x and 20x returns? Well Im sorry but that doesnt help without waiting for a long time and putting a great deal of time into SPECULATING. There is no research that can guarentee u a stock will move up 10x. it's just not something that can be done consistently. LOL>>

You got IT. It is SPECULATING.

There are 2 sides to my investing:

A) Slow and steady -> 95+% of my investment is in this area.

B) Speculative and aiming for 10X to 20X return. -> 5% of my asset

It is NOT worth my time to watch a stock unless it is (B). For (A), I may be watching it 3 to 4 times a year.

I am showing you my perspective.

It is NOT worth my effort to watch a stock for the kind of return that you are talking about.

So, you have YOU WAY and I have MY WAY. It is based on how much that our time worth. So, how could you say that I am WRONG and IGNORANT?? It is all based on the ROI of our time.

<< it's just not something that can be done consistently>>

You are RIGHT. But, why do I need to be done consistently?? I only need ONE. I could lose all 5% or win 10 X to 20X on 1% of my investment. And, that will be ENOUGH for me.

Dreamer

P.S.: Below is 30X return. Those are the kind of stock that I am aiming for (B). I am only play (B) in US Stock market.

http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=TASR&t=my&l=off&z=l&q=l&c=



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post May 19 2010, 11:03 PM

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im just a part time investor , and just starting to buy share = =
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post May 20 2010, 10:15 PM

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So, you have YOU WAY and I have MY WAY. It is based on how much that our time worth. So, how could you say that I am WRONG and IGNORANT?? It is all based on the ROI of our time.


I said ur comment on how the stock market only has 5 shares worth investing is wrong and ignorant. Dont take my words out of context.

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If you believe in (A), then, there are more than ONE RIGHT WAY. I KNOW your perspective. I am showing you my PERSPECTIVE.

Actually no u werent.

What u said was,
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Is this for Malaysian Stock Market?? If yes, 99+% of the time, it is IRRELEVANT.

The FIRST QUESTION that you should ask is DO YOU TRUST the numbers?? If you don't, how does calculating over the NUMBERS that you CANNOT TRUST matters?? Garbage in garbage out....

There are ONLY 5 counters or less worth investing in KLSE.

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im not going to stray further from the topic.
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post May 21 2010, 06:42 AM

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QUOTE(flight @ May 20 2010, 10:15 PM)
I said ur comment on how the stock market only has 5 shares worth investing is wrong and ignorant. Dont take my words out of context.
Actually no u werent.

What u said was,
im not going to stray further from the topic.
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flight,

1) So, why is it SO HARD for you understand that is MY PERSPECTIVE???

2) In my system, ANYTHING that you cannot buy and go to sleep for 5 years is NOT INVESTING.

3) So, 99+% of what you are buying as per YOUR SYSTEM is NOT INVESTING in my opinion for a SIMPLE REASON. You have to watch the stock in YOUR SYSTEM.

There are TWO DIFFERENT styles of investing: YOUR WAY and MY WAY.

No, this is NOT OT. We are discussing about different kind of investors on this thread. And, we are TWO DIFFERENT kinds with different way of looking at things. There are NO REASONS why both cannot be CORRECT at the same time.

MY WAY is for people that DO NOT WANT to watch the market. They want to buy and go to sleep for 5 years.

YOUR WAY only works for people that are WILLING to spend a lot more time watching the market than my way.

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post May 21 2010, 01:08 PM

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1) So, why is it SO HARD for you understand that is MY PERSPECTIVE???


Perspective is not as ambiguous as u think. Just because u say it is ur perspective that that there are only 5 stocks worth investing doesnt mean its not dead wrong and pretty damn ignorant. Saying well this is my way just doesnt cut the cake.

Some things are more certain than others, saying apples are purple might be a new perspective, maybe ur looking at it from another angle, maybe its the lightning, maybe its because its been painted purple. But that doesnt take away from the fact that there are no purple apples.

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In my system, ANYTHING that you cannot buy and go to sleep for 5 years is NOT INVESTING.

Well damn right then, in that case state very clearly that it is in your system, not investing per say, but ur system of investing. Im also not sure where u got the idea that Im not comfortable in buy and holding for 5 years or more.

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3) So, 99+% of what you are buying as per YOUR SYSTEM is NOT INVESTING in my opinion for a SIMPLE REASON. You have to watch the stock in YOUR SYSTEM.

What ball are u sucking on. Where did u get the idea that I NEED to watch my system. I dont NEED to watch anything. If spending 10 minutes to check ur portfolio in a week is watching the market, then I think its pretty damn idiotic.

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MY WAY is for people that DO NOT WANT to watch the market. They want to buy and go to sleep for 5 years.

YOUR WAY only works for people that are WILLING to spend a lot more time watching the market than my way.


Jesus christ... What exactly is my way may I ask u? Since u seem to know exactly what it is that im doing. Do u think its technical analysis? Charting? Buying random stocks? doh.gif

Again, a simplified version of what i do is looking for good undervalued companies with unlimited room for growth. If the stock becomes overpriced selling it is just common sense.
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QUOTE(flight @ May 21 2010, 01:08 PM)
I dont NEED to watch anything. If spending 10 minutes to check ur portfolio in a week is watching the market, then I think its pretty damn idiotic.

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flight,

Bingo. Then, you ARE NOT in my system. As per my perspective, you ARE NOT investing. I check my stock at most twice per year. In most years, I never even look at them.

Dreamer

P.S.: The GOAL of investing in stock is to make money. For people that ONLY WANT to look at their stock at most twice a year, they need a different kind of system versus people that check portfolio every week. You are the KIND that check every week. My system is not for you.

1) Now, are you INSIST that a person MUST look at their stock every week in order to invest on stock???

2) Are you insist that YOUR WAY is the ONLY WAY to make money in stock market??

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post May 21 2010, 10:28 PM

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1) Now, are you INSIST that a person MUST look at their stock every week in order to invest on stock???

I am not INSISTING anything, I am not saying a person MUST look at their stock every week. I am saying I spend about 10 mins a week looking at my portfolio.

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2) Are you insist that YOUR WAY is the ONLY WAY to make money in stock market??

I am not INSISTING that my way is the only way to make money in the stock market. I am saying u r ignorant and irritating. If u give a general comment that is wrong and ignorant, and try to pass ur own opinion as fact, I'll damn well point it out.

DO you comprehend????? rclxub.gif rclxub.gif


Added on May 21, 2010, 10:34 pmlike chicken and duck.. im not continuing this.....

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post May 22 2010, 09:52 AM

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QUOTE(flight @ May 21 2010, 10:28 PM)
I am not INSISTING anything, I am not saying a person MUST look at their stock every week. I am saying I spend about 10 mins a week looking at my portfolio.
I am not INSISTING that my way is the only way to make money in the stock market. I am saying u r ignorant and irritating. If u give a general comment that is wrong and ignorant, and try to pass ur own opinion as fact, I'll damn well point it out.

DO you comprehend?????  rclxub.gif  rclxub.gif


Added on May 21, 2010, 10:34 pmlike chicken and duck.. im not continuing this.....
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flight,

<<I am saying u r ignorant and irritating.>>

Which is YOUR OPINION and NOT NECESSARY a fact.

<<If u give a general comment that is wrong and ignorant, >>

Which in YOUR OPINION is WRONG and IGNORANT and NOT NECESSARY a FACT.

<<and try to pass ur own opinion as fact, I'll damn well point it out.>>

Where did I CLAIM that MY OPINION is a FACT?? I am showing people on MY WAY of thinking and going about in investing. How could that be ANYTHING but AN OPINION??

Ditto on everything that you had posted. It is YOUR OPINION. Aka, YOUR WAY of looking at things. It may work for you. It may not work for OTHERS.

So, DO YOU UNDERSTAND the difference between FACTS and OPINIONS??

Dreamer




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Somehow Dreamer always brings out the best debates of right and wrong. biggrin.gif


Anyway..... there a lot of type of investors/traders. Some are more profitable than the other. Some are more safe than the other etc.

Poll shows a lot are value investors, and with the recent sell down, I bet a lot of you will be waiting for your chances to jump in the market in force.
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QUOTE(skiddtrader @ May 22 2010, 11:24 AM)
Somehow Dreamer always brings out the best debates of right and wrong.  biggrin.gif 
Anyway..... there a lot of type of investors/traders. Some are more profitable than the other. Some are more safe than the other etc.

Poll shows a lot are value investors, and with the recent sell down, I bet a lot of you will be waiting for your chances to jump in the market in force.
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What way is not so important either trading or investing. THE most important part is the end result which is the % return laugh.gif

For example some may like to follow Warren Buffett type of value investing. I like his way of investing but we cannot follow blindly. We have to understand that Warren buffett type of investing is buying the whole company but for us we are buying the company shares only.

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I would say there is never right or wrong in investment.

If one has lesser risk appetite, then settle for a 5-8% return rate, which invest in big cap or bond area, then it is "right" for him/her

If one has higher risk appetite, then want to chase for 20-30%, then opt to invest in second liners, smallcap or whatever riskier asset, then it is "right" for him/her also.

We cannot say the 20-30% potential gain asset is better than 8% one, as the risk associated with is different to start with.

Just invest suit to individual risk appetite and preference. Investment is never a 1+1=2. There are plenty of unforseen circumstance or some risk we never expect nor foresight, as future is never known.

We always welcomed any taught/opinion, which is beneficiary to all which open out our mind, view regarding the investment field.
The more we know how others invest, the more better we equip ourself.

Some experience investors may totally dislike glc, which is understandable. (Just need to look through the historical performance of GLCs stock, then explain it all)
Some experience investors may not prefer smallcap, which is understandable. (Look back second board counter history as well as Mesdaq)
Some may opt to his/her own liking stocks, which is understandable (because over the decade, they consistently give good dividend, and improving)

Having said that, surely not all counters as above mentioned perform the same or has poor performance one, as there is never a generalising case.

But there is nothing wrong with their personal experience and opinion.
Everyone come out with opinion has their own reason, and experience associated with it.

The most important is to look why others have such an opinion. One not necessary agree with the opinion, but look through why there is such opinoin arise is always good and beneficiary in term of future decision making, and serve as own reminder.
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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 22 2010, 10:51 AM)
I would say there is never right or wrong in investment.

If one has lesser risk appetite, then settle for a 5-8% return rate, which invest in big cap or bond area, then it is "right" for him/her

If one has higher risk appetite, then want to chase for 20-30%, then opt to invest in second liners, smallcap or whatever riskier asset, then it is "right" for him/her also.

We cannot say the 20-30% potential gain asset is better than 8% one, as the risk associated with is different to start with.

Just invest suit to individual risk appetite and preference. Investment is never a 1+1=2. There are plenty of unforseen circumstance or some risk we never expect nor foresight, as future is never known. 

We always welcomed any taught/opinion, which is beneficiary to all which open out our mind, view regarding the investment field. 
The more we know how others invest, the more better we equip ourself.

Some experience investors may totally dislike glc, which is understandable. (Just need to look through the historical performance of GLCs stock, then explain it all)
Some experience investors may not prefer smallcap, which is understandable. (Look back second board counter history as well as Mesdaq)
Some may opt to his/her own liking stocks, which is understandable (because over the decade, they consistently give good dividend, and improving)

Having said that, surely not all counters as above mentioned perform the same or has poor performance one, as there is never a generalising case.

But there is nothing wrong with their personal experience and opinion.
Everyone come out with opinion has their own reason, and experience associated with it.

The most important is to look why others have such an opinion. One not necessary agree with the opinion, but look through why there is such opinoin arise is always good and beneficiary in term of future decision making, and serve as own reminder.
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Some may opt to his/her own liking stocks, which is understandable (because over the decade, they consistently give good dividend, and improving)


I like this part rclxms.gif
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As for me, the divvy cheques I received time after time will make me a happy person. My Target Entry is that the counter must have PE of less than 15, Div above 8% and ROE in double digit figure. And most importantly the business model must make sense to me.

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QUOTE(cherroy @ May 22 2010, 10:51 AM)
I would say there is never right or wrong in investment.

If one has lesser risk appetite, then settle for a 5-8% return rate, which invest in big cap or bond area, then it is "right" for him/her

If one has higher risk appetite, then want to chase for 20-30%, then opt to invest in second liners, smallcap or whatever riskier asset, then it is "right" for him/her also.

We cannot say the 20-30% potential gain asset is better than 8% one, as the risk associated with is different to start with.

Just invest suit to individual risk appetite and preference. Investment is never a 1+1=2. There are plenty of unforseen circumstance or some risk we never expect nor foresight, as future is never known. 

We always welcomed any taught/opinion, which is beneficiary to all which open out our mind, view regarding the investment field. 
The more we know how others invest, the more better we equip ourself.

Some experience investors may totally dislike glc, which is understandable. (Just need to look through the historical performance of GLCs stock, then explain it all)
Some experience investors may not prefer smallcap, which is understandable. (Look back second board counter history as well as Mesdaq)
Some may opt to his/her own liking stocks, which is understandable (because over the decade, they consistently give good dividend, and improving)

Having said that, surely not all counters as above mentioned perform the same or has poor performance one, as there is never a generalising case.

But there is nothing wrong with their personal experience and opinion.
Everyone come out with opinion has their own reason, and experience associated with it.

The most important is to look why others have such an opinion. One not necessary agree with the opinion, but look through why there is such opinoin arise is always good and beneficiary in term of future decision making, and serve as own reminder.
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8% return is good.

20% - 30% also good.


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I would like to add 2 more items beyond Risk Appetite.

A) Willingness and Ability to spend time monitoring the investment. Certain counter and strategy requiring more time and effort to monitor than others. A person may not willing to commit that much time into this effort.

B) Know how to calculate. Just because a person has the Risk Appeite, it does not mean the person has the NECESSARY SKILL and CAPABILITY to evaluate the stock.

Somebody may have a GOOD WAY but it may not be RIGHT for YOU.

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some people get it, some people will never get it.

Risk appetite has nothing to do with this, it is how well u are able to evaluate what a business is worth. When u can put a number on the business, u can find a margin of safety. When u buy below the margin of safety, u just need to wait for the market to find out the value that uve been able to see.

It has nothing to do with monitoring the market, ideally the best stock is the one u nvr have to sell.

A 20% return doesnt necessary mean u need to take a high risk, it is not a game where u can either have this, or have that. If u do ur homework u can have both. To give u a very good example, i just need to point u at the recent market crash, to some people it was pretty much a sure bet that their returns would be fantastic while the risk they had would be low.


dreamer as much as id like to pull out every single one of the things u said wrong and point out why its so blatantly wrong, i dont think i want to turn this into an ugly flame war.

Let me just provide this analogy.
If I were to claim that the sky is green in at night and there are pink hamsters dancing on saturn, anyone with half a brain would know i had no idea what i was talking about. If I went the way dreamer101 has been going and claim that it is my opinion that there are pink hamster dancing on saturn, and that if anyone was to disagree with me, it would only be their opinion, and since their opinion is not a fact. That they would have no case against my pink hamsters on saturn. This world would be a funny place indeed.

Some things are more certain than others, and some things less certain. If u are going to take the stand that just because it is an "opinion", then there is no argument. I would like to call it out as being what it is, which is a strawman argument and frankly speaking it has probably something to do with self denial as well.

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