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 Nokia N900 Thread V2, Firmware FR 1.2 is FINALLY OUT

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post May 14 2010, 02:22 PM

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ May 14 2010, 01:45 PM)
It's the raw pawa, what to do? But with the raw pawa is the come very danger (as my sifu used to say), as evidenced by many people bricking their N900s with installing stuff from devel (WARNING: devel is evil! :0 )

Plus the fact they have to learn to live with a landscape screen mini laptop with a phone strapped on (just like my old N-Gage was a crappy console with a phone glued to the side).

Hmm. I'm practically having fun every day tweaking some part of the N900. This is addictive, reminds me of the day I tweaked and tweaked and managed to make Compiz-Fusion run smoothly on Ubuntu and my EXTREMELY crappy Fujitsu laptop.

The smoothness of it then still smokes my Vista box today. And that's on a crappy video card that can barely play H264 mkvs.

Anyhows, the new kernel-config commands are schweet. Hope my N900 doesn't smoke itself to network death again this time. Running Titan's ULV profile. Staying clear of XLV and Starving after what happened the last time (though I'm not sure it's the kernel's fault to begin with).

As for Descent, it leaks memory and lags from time to time, but is otherwise great fun (fullscreen no cockpit mode decreases the ambience but makes sure I don't go blind squinting). Though I had to stop using bilinear and accelerometer controls just because they were screwing things up.

Oh, BTW, anybody here popped their USB port out yet? Seems like a serious issue over at Maemo.org.
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Would be great to have an app like this (available for Android), which allows adjustment of clock speed at runtime, there're also several profiles and failsafe settings, profiles are good for limiting the processing for different situation.
Example: If we know we would watch long hour video, might not be a good idea to run > 600Mhz which running at constant 100% CPU, higher risk of damaging the CPU. Probably just set it at max 550Mhz or 600Mhz.

http://rootyourdroid.info/guides/overclocking-the-droid/


As for the USB port issue, AFAIK, it only affected pre-production model, it should be fixed for Production models. Maybe they're some unlucky ones which still face this problem? No idea.


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post May 15 2010, 01:12 PM

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QUOTE(one1002 @ May 15 2010, 02:26 AM)
no prob bro..we're here to help...


Added on May 15, 2010, 2:53 amhi guys..can anyone gives me a simpler instructions on how to install myPaint?

it seems that i can't understand the instructions from maemo.org..

step by step pls?
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Huh? what instruction? Just download it from App Manager, as long as you have enable the extras-testing and extras-devel.

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post May 18 2010, 09:36 AM

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QUOTE(jordan86 @ May 18 2010, 08:54 AM)
Hi guys,
Wanna ask you all, how long your battery can tahan?
My N900 one night do nothing, wake up that time, battery widget shows 80%.
Before sleep was 92%. Is that normal?
I almost have to charge everday, of coz i got use 3G, but only connected, din surf internet that much. sad.gif
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You might notice the battery drops faster from 96%/97% to around 80%++
It depends on your charge. Usually, if you left it charging after it's full, it actually stops charging (cut off).
So, if you leave it and later when you unplugged the charge, it will still show 96%/97%, but it usually drops very fast down to around 80%++. This I believe is because the battery actually already discharged during the cut off.
It won't recharge until your battery drops below certain percentage, I believe should be 85% (safety feature).
But if you let it charge full and unplugged immediately, it can retain longer.
Or you can try charging it when the battery below 85%, when it's full, try unplug the charger and see the difference.

Another thing is try turn off the other 3 desktop and leave your main desktop less widget, to preserve more battery.
For the battery widget, you can set it's refresh interval to longer/etc so that it don't use too much power.
If you have "System Info Widget", check and make sure the processor and ram usage is normal.

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post May 18 2010, 11:37 AM

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QUOTE(jordan86 @ May 18 2010, 09:40 AM)
Disable the other 3 desktops will save the battery?
If yes, then i think i need to disable it. Thanks for the info. smile.gif
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Also depends on the other 3 desktop what you put. If you put any widget that has refresh capabilities or updates, etc. It will definitely consume battery even very little.
If you just put shortcut, then I think there might have no difference or too little to tell.

Simply put, to conserve more battery, make your phone as simple as possible.

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post May 21 2010, 12:39 PM

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QUOTE(Cannibal @ May 21 2010, 12:34 PM)
24th is the only one i believe. or at least i hope. lol
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Another rumour is in June, after the competition:

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=666733#post666733
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ May 21 2010, 12:49 PM)
Lol... As long as I don't have to reinstall everything from scratch, whenever lar Nokia... brows.gif

Also get Portrait mode running without bugs with a proper keyboard, fix the wifi batt drain bug and Flash 10. Kthxbye... biggrin.gif
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The updates in leaked PR1.2 is disappointing, hope they actual PR1.2 is a MAJOR difference. And yes, you NOT only required to re-install eveything, you need to re-DOWNLOAD everything; Unless you keep the installation files, actually they should give the option to save the installation files. Plus, the App Manager is resource heavy, when it's running, better to let it finish its job first. Hope they're able to improve on that.

I've never experience the wifi batt drain bug honestly. Maybe there's something you installed?

They need more stable hildon-desktop and all the core processes, better memory management for these processes so it doesn't hang or stop responding to ensure smoothness.

Anyway, Android 2.2 Froyo update list looks extremely promising, with Flash 10.1 and claimed improvements of up to 5X and it's coming in June???. The Droid/Milestone running 2.1 is already very smooth. Nokia has lotsa catch-up to do, and they should pay more attention to N900 as I see them concerntrates a lot on MeeGo project, and also Symbian^3. N900 is sort of like an unfinished product, they should first emphasize on it first, but seems to me, they're preparing for MeeGo device to replace this N900 and save all the hassle. Hope they can really put more attention on N900. It's a superb device but with very poor support and updates from Nokia, the community support is far far better.

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QUOTE(Eiraku @ May 24 2010, 05:54 PM)
Sure, it's the *nix spirit after all.

Howto is here: http://variableghz.com/2008/09/getting-serious-about-vnc/

Note that it's a guide to setup your Windows PC to accept VNC connections, but the N900 viewer doesn't really need any tweaking at all. Just enter server:port (wahlala.whatsmyip.com:5900) and password (that you set) and you're rockin!

Remember, volume up+click = right click, volume down+click = middle click.

Any questions, do PM. And yes, expect it to by laggy through 3G.

And I'm not sure if it works the same way through Win 7, as I expect the video hook driver to be a SLIGHT problem on 7.
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Basically no need setting from N900. It's very simple and straighforward.

Just need to set port forwarding from the router, and set static IP for your PC/laptop.
Need to configure the Windows Firewall too (or any other firewall or possibly security one may have that may block access).


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QUOTE(Eiraku @ May 24 2010, 06:06 PM)
Only problem is Screamyx uses Dynamic IP, hence the DynDNS thing. It was a problem I have been scratching my own head about for many years now, surprisingly solved by a search to access my PC from the N900.

But I do feel that we'll need at least LTE packet speeds to be able to REALLY do remote access with decent smoothness. Oh well, hope the next Internet Tablet has LTE (and that Meego is still desktop grade powderful and not just some dumbed down OS running ON linux)... biggrin.gif
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Yea, but actually, just check your Internet IP everyday before you leave home, then most of the time, the IP won't change so you can still VNC/Remote to your PC.
Else go for Dynamic DNS, or subscribe for static IP, haha




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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ May 24 2010, 09:09 PM)
streamyx is famous for disconnecting frequently.
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Haha, famous ma brows.gif

Anyway, so far, for VNC, if you check daily your IP, it's still OK la. Sometimes I notice the same IP maintain for quite long. Another way is, disconnect and re-connect everyday, get the new IP when you leave.
AFAIK, for Dynamic IP, they don't allow the same IP to be used for long sessions.
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QUOTE(Eiraku @ May 24 2010, 10:48 PM)
And what are the odds that Meego rolls over BEFORE PR1.2, by some odd chance lol.
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They emphasize a lot on MeeGo, it's development is consistent and very fast, but PR1.2 takes ages. Previous MeeGo release (console version) there was a date mentioned and accurately it was launch on that date. Now they announce MeeGo 1.0. They're really neglecting PR1.2, it's very sad....

Btw, Android 2.2 already available for Nexus One, and it comes with Flash 10.
The others will need to wait as there is customization for each manufacturer.


QUOTE(suicideroach @ May 24 2010, 10:51 PM)
my name is still not in the list for the 3-combo items tongue.gif
anyway, i just surfed using my 3G for 10 minutes, and the phone getting hotter and hotter.. not warm, but quite hot. Is it normal?
Even using my WLAN was not hot like this  sweat.gif
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It's zee battery... even when you put your phone to charge, you'll feel the warmness, or you can call it hot.
If you have the DC-11 Nokia Charger, when you used it to charge you can feel the DC-11 gets warm, or you can call it hot.

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QUOTE(Mike3300 @ May 25 2010, 01:30 AM)
Any previous iPhone owners who jump on this bandwagon and never look back? Not to say myself as a fanboy but I'm so used to iPhone OS. Thinking to use Maemo 5. Android seems overrated by the way, no offense.
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Android is not overrated if compared with iPhone OS. If you're talking about technicals and hardcore/intermediate-advance users, iPhone OS just doesn't fit, it's too strict, basic and simplified, there's no advance options, everything is controlled, it's far worst than my the first generation Nokia Symbian phones or the first Pocket PC OS (now Windows Mobile).

No offence, but true smartphones users are ALWAYS looking for a device that is as close to a computer as possible, thus a mobile computer. Even the first generation Nokia Symbian have better flexibility and works more like a computer.

iPhone OS excels in it's graphics, smoothness, animations; There's no doubt about that and I have to give it to Apple, they have the best graphics and/or animation so far, nobody even able to come close. Even Windows after so many generation, can't really come close to Apple OS.


Added on May 25, 2010, 9:26 am
QUOTE(ahtiven @ May 24 2010, 11:18 PM)
all this concludes that meego will be getting full support from the first party meanwhile maemo after 1.2, will be community driven. die or live in the developers hands. nokia has abandoned the ship.

also, just how great is froyo is? apart the flash 10.1 beta?
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The changelog for froyo sounds promising (especially performance improvements, even 2.0 to 2.1, there's improvements in terms of performance), but the change log for PR1.2 isn't; they still didn't add those basic features that a phone should have, Nokia has so many experiencein Symbian and they should know what's important and good, they should at least provide those. There's a recent interview with one of the MD, seems they didn't plan for many of the features to be included as of the interview. That's really disappointing man...
I've been using the leaked PR1.2, it's more stable than PR1.1.1, but the changes is really really *not much*

Don't get me wrong, I like this phone, it's great, but doesn't mean we don't need a better software, improvements, etc.

QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ May 24 2010, 11:32 PM)
If MeeGo is comes out really good it's not a bad thing isn't it?

If you guys were given choice between MeeGo 1.0 & PR 1.2 which 1 do you want to try 1st?
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Maemo and MeeGo looks quite different from the UI. From the screenshots of MeeGo, it feels like Android style to me. I like Maemo, it's totally different and unique from others. I hope MeeGo will follow suit.

Anyway, MeeGo is Meego, we should still have updates for PR1.2. It's not about bad thing or good thing, we're using the N900, but lack of support and attention, they're focusing on something that's not yet available and nobody is using. When MeeGo 1.0 is launch, it might still not be stable yet, they still need to go trough proper testing and so on. N900, if able to install MeeGo 1.0, is probably a white mouse to test this OS before they launch the actual MeeGo device. Honestly speaking.

I own a French car, also this is a French phone, sorry to say, both have similar problems. And from the french car company, I get to know a little on how the French works.
They have great products, but they lack of providing good support and attention to the owners.


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QUOTE(meLi @ May 25 2010, 11:13 AM)
Bro aspire,

Can you post different view or angel of the Car Holder coz i want to see the arm holder. Either using normal like spring can bengkok or screw.

Btw anybody using titan oc. And what is the best setting using titan oc either load boot, default, ideal, lv, starving, ulv or xlv and what is Min and Max freq for stablity use.

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Go to NovaCell, there's a good car holder which you can twist for landscape or portrait view, it's using spring like can bengkok easily. AND, it's only RM15.

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QUOTE(meLi @ May 25 2010, 12:15 PM)
Bro,

If i'm not mistaken at the frontpage that is Lehto OC. The titan OC need to install this 3 application/module

1. Enhanced linux kernel for power users
2. Enhanced kernel for power users (settings)
3. kernel-power-settings

And manually set kernel-config etc. Before this im using Lehto OC. Today just try to install Titan OC and want to know which one is stable config to use using titan oc. Either load boot, default, ideal, lv, starving, ulv or xlv and what is Min and Max freq.

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Added on May 25, 2010, 12:25 pm
Ok bro andy will look and see but i don't like spring 1 because when the car bumping the holder also bump but i read dcmuggen holder using screw.

It's look like this dcmuggen car holder ?



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Yup, screw one would be better, but will cost more and harder to find.

Spring one, depend how you positioned it, so far mine is OK, can watch movie too.

QUOTE(Eiraku @ May 25 2010, 12:35 PM)
It's a French phone? That's the first time I heard that one, though I agree that in a spiritual sense (how the follow through is, with lack of support) it does seem very French to me.

But yeah, Nokia should've just branded the device "a grand experiment in open source mobile computing" because, when you look at it, that's what it really is, a user generated, user mantained, user enhanced phone with limited support.

Even the Pandora has better support, it seems.

I still have grand hopes that somebody comes up with an open source shell replacement (a complete replacement of hildon and the core osso apps) that will our blow our minds away, simply because it can be done. Unfortunately, without large financial backing, that should be impossible in the time span of just a few simple years.

Or maybe someone can port the UI of Meego and hack it to run on Meamo because then we'll have the best of both worlds. Something plausible, but keeping in mind how open source works, advancement will be slow, painfully so.
The most stable config should be lv and ideal. Starving is the most power saving, if your N900 can handle it.

I'm currently running Starving with a bumped up speed range of 250-750, no noticeable slowdowns and acceptable battery life (half-day or so) under heavy, near-constant 3.5G multi-tasking (avarage of 5-7 MicroB windows running at one time, amongst other things).

I need a bigger, better designed battery pack, why can't they do it like the Milli case for the 3GS - intergrated back case/battery? Another 1200mah woud do.
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Nokia is a France product right? Hehe.

Actually true, without the community, the N900 will be so dead and lack of apps, support and so on. Nokia should thank the community.

QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ May 25 2010, 12:50 PM)
usually those cheap one have this problem u cant unlock keypad. Must take out the phone from the holder unlock and put it back
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This one has no problem with it.

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QUOTE(super_evil_alien @ May 25 2010, 01:56 PM)
Eerrr...Isn't it a Finnish product?
When you slide open the phone got "Designed in Finland"
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QUOTE(jloi @ May 25 2010, 02:13 PM)
Thanks bro!

Already VNC home and downloading the firmware now... OMG, can't wait to go home...

Was using 2G/2.5G connect VNC, the refresh rate is real slow, and at first cannot find the firmware, keep reload the page still can't find... LoL! It was place on top! Usually the latest firmware as I remember is place at the bottom of the page... LoL

I also notice there's India PR1.2. Btw, I'm downloading the GLOBAL firmware.

OMG, can't wait to update!

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QUOTE(aspire2oo6 @ May 25 2010, 02:58 PM)
ill wait for the official 1.
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It's official. Or, do you mean from Nokia Software Updater?

QUOTE(jloi @ May 25 2010, 03:15 PM)
mayb tmrw since d global release is tmrw biggrin.gif
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Global Firmware is available bro! I'm downloading it!

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QUOTE(kfthoo @ May 25 2010, 03:24 PM)
by the way....how to get the vnc works arr?? need some tutor here....  biggrin.gif
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The main thing is to set your router and PC security (e.g. Firewall).

Have you done port forwarding? You have to do it from the router. After you install VNC on your PC, start the VNC server, there you can configure the password, port, etc.

1. set up Static (fixed) IP for your PC
2. Select a Port number and go to your router configuration and set the port forwarding configuration. It's should be very straightforward where you input your PC IP address and the Port for the VNC.
3. Save the settings and restart your router.
4. If you have Windows Firewall enable, you need to add the port to EXCEPTIONS, and if you have other firewall/similar security, you need to add the port to the exceptions or allow access.

Once everything is set, start VNC Server on your PC.
Go to http://www.whatismyip.com
Get the Internet IP Address.

Start VNC Viewer on your N900
Input the IP Address and connect.
If the connection is successful you'll be prompted a password entry, else you'll need to wait for timeout.

If unable to connect, make sure the port forwarding is done correctly and no other security is blocking the connections.
You can try to connect from another PC to test also.

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QUOTE(ahtiven @ May 25 2010, 03:34 PM)
because someone has to kick start.

sad news about meego, i want the commercialized version. sad.gif

p/s: oh yah.. leaked 1.2 > official 1.2. no problem.
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Any Flash 10?

Android 2.2 already get Flash 10...
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QUOTE(jloi @ May 25 2010, 03:50 PM)
u mean from net or appman? i try search from appman juz now but dun have
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from tablet.nokia.dev site, it's official site for the firmware releases.

If your phone fails during NSU/AppMan, you'll need to rely on this, so doesn't matter if you don't plan to use the flasher tool, always download the firmware from there for backup. In case the NSU failure or something went wrong, you still have backup. If not, something happen only you want to download, it'll take some time to download the firmware, *especially now*, super slow.

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QUOTE(ahtiven @ May 25 2010, 04:29 PM)
maybe flash 10 in pr1.3. lol

btw, flash 10.1 is a bit overhyped. yes it is indeed new thing for smartphones but right now there is only one and ONE smartphone in this world running on flash 10 (the nexus one) and it is still in beta without GPU support!
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At least with Flash 10, we can access Flash 10 sites and play games which requires Flash 10.....

It's not about overhyped or not, having something is better than not having. It's a NICE to have. Don't be like Apple or Steve, just because they can't provide, so they give excuses. N900 deserves update of Flash 10, there's a demo of Flash 10 on N900 long ago.


QUOTE(Eiraku @ May 25 2010, 04:46 PM)
"Hong Kong version is PR1.2 week 12, and this one is week 19. Glancing through the changelog (http://maemoarena.com/2010/05/nokia-...eleased-today/) I found there's some improvement over your version, like allow file sharing in file manager (no more Petrovich), video calls straight from contacts, MfE enhancement, search by typing in App launcher etc. "

From maemo.org.

Does this mean there's gonna be a PR1.2 Week 52 later?
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The leaked PR1.2 is same version with HK version.


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