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 Intel LGA1155 P67/Z68/Z77, Sandy/Ivy Bridge Architecture

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post Mar 24 2011, 11:39 AM

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not trying to be an unsubstantial evidence rumor monger

while the early revival of the p67 is a welcome affair
and to think that the original plan for mid march delivery to manufacturer
early april for any B3 rev to pop up,
but in reality the whole schedule was bumped u by nearly a month does give me some reservations

Being in the manufacturing line for almost 10 years shown me that there is no such thing called total lost
Way have been found to minimised the effects of a recall
For me even a straight to the face admittance to error could also mask a way to recuperate whatever can be recuperated.

I am not saying that the current B3 batch is defective in anyway
but as it been known, the previous stepping have issue to sata 2 as explained by anandtech

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The problem in the chipset was traced back to a transistor in the 3Gbps PLL clocking tree. The aforementioned transistor has a very thin gate oxide, which allows you to turn it on with a very low voltage. Unfortunately in this case Intel biased the transistor with too high of a voltage, resulting in higher than expected leakage current. Depending on the physical characteristics of the transistor the leakage current here can increase over time which can ultimately result in this failure on the 3Gbps ports. The fact that the 3Gbps and 6Gbps circuits have their own independent clocking trees is what ensures that this problem is limited to only ports 2 - 5 off the controller.

You can coax the problem out earlier by testing the PCH at increased voltage and temperature levels. By increasing one or both of these values you can simulate load over time and that’s how the problem was initially discovered. Intel believes that any current issues users have with SATA performance/compatibility/reliability are likely unrelated to the hardware bug.

One fix for this type of a problem would be to scale down the voltage applied across the problematic transistor. In this case there’s a much simpler option. The source of the problem is actually not even a key part of the 6-series chipset design, it’s remnant of an earlier design that’s no longer needed. In our Sandy Bridge review I pointed out the fair amount of design reuse that was done in creating the 6-series chipset. The solution Intel has devised is to simply remove voltage to the transistor. The chip is functionally no different, but by permanently disabling the transistor the problem will never arise.


http://www.anandtech.com/show/4143/the-sou...-point-sata-bug

Being a microscale product, to me this means the variance might be small, but the effect is major
So if there is a way to detect the leakage, perhaps
or some way to detect the flaw.
And if this flaw have some variance to them, that means some "might" be salvageable.
But why the recall? To me, this is a proper manufacturer procedure if the flaw is substantially high in quantity to affect them. By doing so they can control' "if" the old rev chip that have a higher pass rate to be use again
This will help the manufacturer to get back online faster, by further binning the good ones from the bad' of the old rev chipset

If indeed this is the case, then the possibility of one or two slipping past to motherboard manufacturing could happen

Whatever Intel will do to the recovered chips, no one know
Is there any co. Auditing them on this issue? hmm.gif

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post Apr 9 2011, 02:41 PM

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QUOTE(davidbilly87 @ Apr 9 2011, 02:32 AM)
Guys , The Intel Q9550 vs I7 2600/2600K  , have huge performance increase ?
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performance increase on what?

playing Facebook game? Opening/Edititng documents/Watching PPS?

or

playiong current games, doing video/photo editing

or

bechmarking

3 different need that have 3 different answers
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post Apr 14 2011, 09:06 PM

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and still asus comes out with M4E
and MSI with the crazee BBM

so much for MITX dominance :whistle:

Theoratically MITX is a good thing
but as you said, there is a great limiting factor to using it, real estate space to put in features
Even ATX have been breach a few times with the E-ATX and co.

toward miniaturisation it is funneh that though the size gone down from micro to nano
the processor still maintains similar form from the pentium3 period till now

Spaces, there will never be enough to fufill every needs
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post Apr 15 2011, 09:12 AM

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there will alway be a market for big boards

it just prey on the consumerism psychology of having something even though the chance of using them is remote

plus can a Hi-grade mITX be sold@ premium price like m4e or any similar ones?
no, right? This is because the perception that the mITX have being cheap as well as usable.

As good as M4E and BBM with their high end design and military spec
I do believe that the profit margin for those board should be higher as the parts themselves is not the one of main point

I am in the plastic material business, and those original smoked headlamps? The material price wise have not much difference from the normal one. It is just how it is marketed. That similar material (profit ~15%) when use in electronic line can be sold at 4x the material cost and a profit margin @ 300%.
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post Apr 19 2011, 09:39 AM

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QUOTE(dma0991 @ Apr 19 2011, 02:15 AM)
Maybe the Z68 board needs at least a discrete to make it work and a VGA/DVI/HDMI at the I/O panel is unnecessary..
The Z68 chipset does come with the Lucidlogix Virtu which may give user the ability to switch between graphic options..
If the Intel HD2000/3000 and the discrete GPU is used together then the video can go through a single output from the discrete GPU..it automatically switches
That way you don't have to take out the HDMI cable from the discrete GPU and plug it to the motherboard HDMI just to use the Intel IGP..
The logic is that you can afford for a SB processor..add to that the Z68 motherboards will not come cheap at all which will cost way more than a P67
You can get 2 very expensive items already but cannot even afford a discrete GPU?..my 2 cents on this matter only..if it comes out with a HDMI don't flame me  tongue.gif
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let say i have to RMA the GC
(throwing warranted item and replace with nem ones is so bad for the environ tongue.gif)
Then now i aw let with an unusable system?

if it truly output through the discrete card
I do hope there is a pcie riser card included in the event having no discrete gpu attached
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post Apr 22 2011, 02:18 PM

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how true is this?

i have seen a user in tomshardware forum saying that z68 is technically a h67 with oc features

his reasoning is that with IGPu, this will eat into the bandwidth of the pcie
thus less to go around for a dual gcard setup

this is true in the past, where the graphix is on the mobo, and require pcie lane to send/receive data from the proc

how true is this on a sandy bridge system

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/289320-3...n-board-graphic
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post Apr 29 2011, 05:55 PM

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there is a thing called optimization

games optimized for a single or dual core
would not benifits a quaddie

but rest assure that the direction is on the more-core-more-performance-way

Are you always gonna play catch up, being in the herd mentality
or are you gonna define the tech
the more ppl use quaddie, the more developer recognize the trend
and the more supported product comes out
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post May 12 2011, 12:55 PM

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going back to the Virtu, i-mode, D-mode issue

you have to think this way

On a p67 system, the only way to get performance is to use the best GC there is
to change from that to the lowest power system is to literally ripped out the current one and replace with a low power GC

on a H67 etc... system, the best low power is to use intels own
To get the best performance, you have to uninstall old GC driver turn off, insert a new GC, turn on, install new driver. To get back to low power you have to reverse the process.

See where I an heading?
Virtu actually do these changes on the fly
It don't help in spitting out bleeding edge graphics by using low power usage

So literally you can change to use the max performance (which will consume more power obviously) when you are gaming
and change back to low power consumption when idling/DLing stuff

This is more relevant to a mobile system powered by battery as the quantity of the power is limited
the only thing this kind of system is good on a desktop system is the notion you can keep the power usage according to requirements, ON THE FLY!
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post May 20 2011, 01:07 PM

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QUOTE(Dennos @ May 20 2011, 11:41 AM)
depend on ur processor also. Mind to tell us ur i7 batch number?
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ermm.. unsure.gif
i think that is a i5 2500K?
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post May 23 2011, 01:25 AM

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a budget of 300 or less, any 4Gbx2(8Gb) 1600Mhz will be suffice
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post May 24 2011, 01:15 PM

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QUOTE(DarkNite @ May 23 2011, 09:58 AM)
Very hard to find 8GB 1600Mhz for RM300 or below.
Do you know which shop can get?
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my bad
below 300 is really stretching it
another RM 40 to the 300 is possible here
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post May 25 2011, 11:13 AM

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@xakicham,

search LYN for LGA2011
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post May 25 2011, 02:10 PM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ May 25 2011, 01:11 PM)
I dont intend to increase a post count using emo , i just wanted to know the answer for ivy bridge compatibility .
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1st point
This is not an Intel create forum. So i would take the info with a grain of salt.

2nd
What if I "confirm" you that Ivy bridge are not compatible with z68 chipset. What are you gonna do?


PC buying have always been an equilibrium to what you need and what you can afford, NOW!
not in 5 years time and not even in 1 year time

my old pc served me well for 4 years (nforce4 sli, that dont even support core2duo processor, stuck with pentium 4 type dual core for that period)
now with my new setup, I hope to at least last me another 5 years, and even when ivy comes out, i wont be much enthus to change

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post May 25 2011, 09:58 PM

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QUOTE(Maxieos @ May 25 2011, 09:40 PM)
? Cheapest is RM4xx for unknown brand asrock , search though garage sales. Was it reliable enough ? As I know it's low end company sub out by asus ?
IIRC sometime ago , a forum member here working at intel warn every user about previous batch motherboard which having those controller sata bug and proven intel knew the bug before it launch but intel still pushing out the chipset . I think it consider an internal news. hmm.gif

Just that sometimes everyone here still worry again with socket change every new processor batch , 1156 -> 1 year to 1155 ? 1366 -> 2 years to 2012 ?
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Asrock came out of ASUS shadow since ?last year?
they are on their own, they used to target lower side of the product
but nowadays their focus are overall,

their extreme series are good as they get with lower pricing
obviously not gonna be better than M4E or UD7 where those product are deck with features ordinary ppl wont fully utilise.
they are one of the top player in the mainstream level

as for the news
any source? as i didnt see it

is the warning happens before the official statement on Feb1 or after
and the story of Intel knowing well before the official.... my friend that is the business world
for you might seems like a dangerous move, but if to delay again would be bad for their projected sales
and if Intel is run by perfectionist engineer, you are forever waiting for a product
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post May 28 2011, 04:46 PM

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okay, Maxieos
Other website you say only rumour,
then you air your grievance here, so you think this LYN is >9000 than the other site. So as a LYN user her,

I PROCLAIM THAT IVY BRIDGE IS NOT COMPATIBLE WITH ANY CURRENT CHIPSET. NO REASON JUST THAT I SAY SO.

enuff? wait for the new chipset then buy you system


Added on May 28, 2011, 4:50 pmps: as an intel company worker, do you risk you good job just to leak news to you?
I think not, especially Malaysian/Asian
I blame it on kiasuism

If really does leak out, then that fella does not realised the implications involve

pps: this thread is not a place for leaks, rather a place where info from around the WWW is shared. I came here because the info is compile in a thread, so no need to trawl the net for any of them

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post Mar 27 2012, 02:29 PM

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mavrix

i think you got it wrong
the B3 bug is P67 series of motherboard
z68 comes much later and have no such problem
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post Mar 27 2012, 05:39 PM

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afaik there is no special set B3 type for z68 chipset
even if it shows B3, I would have guess it is a PR stunt
since the z68 is quite similar to P67
and most ppl still remember the issue

But 1 thing I can confirm is that the B3 issue is from P67 launched Jan 2011 have the issue on sata discovered on Feb 2011 anf fixed it by march, called B3 revision

Z68 was launch in May 2011 and there should not be any B3 similar problem

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