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Cheesenium
post Apr 19 2010, 06:29 PM

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End of the world at 2012 is just a bunch of bullshit said by not credible sources or typical doomsayers.

Besides,this kind of topic should be in Kopitiam,not here.

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Remember the Y2K scare? It came and went without much of a whimper because of adequate planning and analysis of the situation. Impressive movie special effects aside, Dec. 21, 2012, won't be the end of the world as we know. It will, however, be another winter solstice.

Much like Y2K, 2012 has been analyzed and the science of the end of the Earth thoroughly studied. Contrary to some of the common beliefs out there, the science behind the end of the world quickly unravels when pinned down to the 2012 timeline. Below, NASA Scientists answer several questions that we're frequently asked regarding 2012.

Question (Q): Are there any threats to the Earth in 2012? Many Internet websites say the world will end in December 2012.
Answer (A): Nothing bad will happen to the Earth in 2012. Our planet has been getting along just fine for more than 4 billion years, and credible scientists worldwide know of no threat associated with 2012.

Q: What is the origin of the prediction that the world will end in 2012?
A: The story started with claims that Nibiru, a supposed planet discovered by the Sumerians, is headed toward Earth. This catastrophe was initially predicted for May 2003, but when nothing happened the doomsday date was moved forward to December 2012. Then these two fables were linked to the end of one of the cycles in the ancient Mayan calendar at the winter solstice in 2012 -- hence the predicted doomsday date of December 21, 2012.

Q: Does the Mayan calendar end in December 2012?
A: Just as the calendar you have on your kitchen wall does not cease to exist after December 31, the Mayan calendar does not cease to exist on December 21, 2012. This date is the end of the Mayan long-count period but then -- just as your calendar begins again on January 1 -- another long-count period begins for the Mayan calendar.

Q: Could a phenomena occur where planets align in a way that impacts Earth?
A: There are no planetary alignments in the next few decades, Earth will not cross the galactic plane in 2012, and even if these alignments were to occur, their effects on the Earth would be negligible. Each December the Earth and sun align with the approximate center of the Milky Way Galaxy but that is an annual event of no consequence.

"There apparently is a great deal of interest in celestial bodies, and their locations and trajectories at the end of the calendar year 2012. Now, I for one love a good book or movie as much as the next guy. But the stuff flying around through cyberspace, TV and the movies is not based on science. There is even a fake NASA news release out there..."
- Don Yeomans, NASA senior research scientist Q: Is there a planet or brown dwarf called Nibiru or Planet X or Eris that is approaching the Earth and threatening our planet with widespread destruction?
A: Nibiru and other stories about wayward planets are an Internet hoax. There is no factual basis for these claims. If Nibiru or Planet X were real and headed for an encounter with the Earth in 2012, astronomers would have been tracking it for at least the past decade, and it would be visible by now to the naked eye. Obviously, it does not exist. Eris is real, but it is a dwarf planet similar to Pluto that will remain in the outer solar system; the closest it can come to Earth is about 4 billion miles.

Q: What is the polar shift theory? Is it true that the earth’s crust does a 180-degree rotation around the core in a matter of days if not hours?
A: A reversal in the rotation of Earth is impossible. There are slow movements of the continents (for example Antarctica was near the equator hundreds of millions of years ago), but that is irrelevant to claims of reversal of the rotational poles. However, many of the disaster websites pull a bait-and-shift to fool people. They claim a relationship between the rotation and the magnetic polarity of Earth, which does change irregularly, with a magnetic reversal taking place every 400,000 years on average. As far as we know, such a magnetic reversal doesn’t cause any harm to life on Earth. A magnetic reversal is very unlikely to happen in the next few millennia, anyway.

The Blue Marble: Next GenerationEarth, as seen in the Blue Marble: Next Generation collection of images, showing the color of the planet's surface in high resolution. This image shows South America from September 2004. Q: Is the Earth in danger of being hit by a meteor in 2012?
A: The Earth has always been subject to impacts by comets and asteroids, although big hits are very rare. The last big impact was 65 million years ago, and that led to the extinction of the dinosaurs. Today NASA astronomers are carrying out a survey called the Spaceguard Survey to find any large near-Earth asteroids long before they hit. We have already determined that there are no threatening asteroids as large as the one that killed the dinosaurs. All this work is done openly with the discoveries posted every day on the NASA NEO Program Office website, so you can see for yourself that nothing is predicted to hit in 2012.

Q: How do NASA scientists feel about claims of pending doomsday?
A: For any claims of disaster or dramatic changes in 2012, where is the science? Where is the evidence? There is none, and for all the fictional assertions, whether they are made in books, movies, documentaries or over the Internet, we cannot change that simple fact. There is no credible evidence for any of the assertions made in support of unusual events taking place in December 2012.

Q: Is there a danger from giant solar storms predicted for 2012?
A: Solar activity has a regular cycle, with peaks approximately every 11 years. Near these activity peaks, solar flares can cause some interruption of satellite communications, although engineers are learning how to build electronics that are protected against most solar storms. But there is no special risk associated with 2012. The next solar maximum will occur in the 2012-2014 time frame and is predicted to be an average solar cycle, no different than previous cycles throughout history.
Source from NASA

Not any typical doomsayer website.

QUOTE(night @ Apr 19 2010, 05:54 PM)
Four major earth quake within these four month. I think those incident are signs that the Earth is about to end.
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Actually, earth quakes are happening all the time,on anywhere in the earth, due to the fact that the tectonic places are always moving. Destructive earthquakes happens due to collision or breaking of those plates.
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post Apr 19 2010, 06:49 PM

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QUOTE(abubin @ Apr 19 2010, 06:45 PM)
please the top of my post regarding posting this in kopitiam.

Anyway, good conclusions that i can gather is that people who are very religious are usually those who will believe in doomsday and actually wish it to be coming as soon as possible so that they can all go to heaven?

Skeptics are usually those who does not believe in doomsday and not worry about problems paying car installments?

But then the relative of mine is a firm believer but still worry about paying car installments after 2012, does it means she is :
a) a wack job
b) does not have a clear mind of what is what
c) undecided whether to be true religious (not fully a devoted to religion yet)
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What is there to believe from those people?They have no facts, no figures, no reasonable theories,other than whole bunch of baseless claims. There isnt any scientific facts in all these doom days saying, other than claims to religion.

Can religion explain something in a logical manner? No,and i never seen one.

Tell me why this thread should be there,and also,what are the scientific facts related to 2012 end of the world?

NASA said no,it will not happen,same goes with other researchers or scientist. So,now,you rather listen to some baseless claims,than people who spend their lives studying it?

End of the world will happen because of global warming that is causing climate change, or some random meteorite suddenly collide with earth that could happen anytime.

This post has been edited by Cheesenium: Apr 19 2010, 06:52 PM
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post Apr 19 2010, 09:37 PM

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QUOTE(teongpeng @ Apr 19 2010, 09:15 PM)
Thats the flaw right there. The mayans didnt say the world will end in the year 2012 at all. their calendar merely ends at that date because they got too lazy to complete it ad infinitum.  smile.gif
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Yes,thats one of the reason.

If you say like that, we are gonna have the end of the world on every 31st December on every year.
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post Apr 19 2010, 09:57 PM

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QUOTE(Xepz @ Apr 19 2010, 09:48 PM)
First of all, what is NASA? Did you know many ex Nazis were brought into NASA? Heard of Operation Paperclip?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wernher_von_Braun

For me, NASA has done a lot of work, and.... also suppressed a lot of their findings... They only show you what they want you to see, can't be fully trusted at all.

Actually NASA did admit the risk of CME from the sun is high during the next few years. A big CME (Coronal Mass Ejection) can wipe out all electronic systems on earth.
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Does it matter?

Or you are gonna bring some conspiracy theory in?
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post Apr 19 2010, 10:13 PM

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QUOTE(Xepz @ Apr 19 2010, 10:05 PM)
No, it does not matter. But if you like believing in "official" stuff, please carry on.

I've NO problem with that.  brows.gif

Right now, keep an eye on the volcano eruption in Iceland.

If this eruption carries on for a long time, Europe will be paralyzed, and that will lead to further economic trouble, and that is putting it mildly. Airlines are losing $200 million a day.
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Then,carry on to believe in your conspiracy.
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post Apr 20 2010, 04:07 PM

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QUOTE(Xepz @ Apr 19 2010, 10:05 PM)
No, it does not matter. But if you like believing in "official" stuff, please carry on.

I've NO problem with that.  brows.gif

Right now, keep an eye on the volcano eruption in Iceland.
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Besides, he had passed away like 30 years ago. Whats that it's gonna do with Nazi in NASA today?

QUOTE(Xepz @ Apr 19 2010, 11:31 PM)
I am saying, I don't buy NASA's spin all the time. There are a lot of conflicting interests within the NASA organization.

Why I say I don't buy all the stuff NASA gives is because of their track record. Like they have explored the moon for 50 years and say there is no water there, but one small Indian probe "suddenly" found water there last year? How embarrassing. Or maybe they just didn't want to tell.....

Buzz Aldrin is now implying many times that there is "something" on Phobos, and it is very important that humans find out what is there, and funny thing is NASA has nothing to say about this at all? If you actually follow the real space news, Phobos is given top priority by the European Space Agency, but not NASA....  hmm.gif

http://www.wunderkabinett.co.uk/damndata/i...-on-Phobos.html
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It's just different priority for different organisation.

Just because the Indians found water and moon,while NASA couldnt find one drop, you dont believe in NASA. How big is the moon and how much the human race has explored the moon? The Indians found water on moon because they landed on the polar ice caps where water have always been suspected there.

The outter space is a huge place with a lot of things to explore. If you cant find it the first time, there is a second chance to find it by someone else.

Then,you start to bring in some conspiracy again. You lot really love conspiracies.

QUOTE(Xepz @ Apr 19 2010, 11:31 PM)
As for the volcano, yes, I believe IF the volcano keeps on erupting, it will damage the European economy, and possibly the world economy after that. There is no need to argue on this, you just observe how long this air travel freeze keeps up. Already a lot of airlines are jumping up and down. It's called the most serious air disruption in modern times. It's not just the European economy, few days ago Goldman Sachs has been charged with fraud, I don't know if that means anything, but they were considered untouchable before this. Will this open the door to more upheaval in the US economy? Who knows?

What does this have to do with us in Msia? Well, if the parent company back home is in big trouble, they retrench....I think there is no need to explain what comes next, and then what comes next and then what comes next. Everything is interlinked today. What happens in far away lands will affect us in good ole Malaysia one way or the other. Maybe not immediately, but it will.

Again, I don't believe in doomsday (as in DOOMSDAY), but I do think things will change in the near future. It's not whether you want to believe or not because nobody's asking anyone to believe anything or trying to convince anyone. I'm only stating what is happening right now. None of this is made up.

Too much crazy stuff last year, and now this year, alone. Swine flu, Norway Spiral...maybe the Pope will resign....even dropping crime rates worldwide...etc, etc, etc. Just getting too weird.
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What is airlines getting delayed and company retrenching gonna do with dooms day?

QUOTE(AcNem @ Apr 20 2010, 02:47 PM)
With the direction of where our country is heading, Doomsday is coming sooner than expected.
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I say,global warming is more of a possibly of end of human race.
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post Apr 20 2010, 04:27 PM

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QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Apr 20 2010, 04:19 PM)
Just ask yourself one main question...
If you're part of the party that discover the Dooms Day is real, would you broadcast to the whole world???
The answer is NO because this will trigger panic and chaos to all humans regardless of country, race, religion, red party, & etc...

But this worries me as major earthquake is happening very frequent... each month have at least 1 major Earthquake...and now Volcanoes....
Is Dooms Day real??? One thing for sure, it's worrying base on the current natural disaster facts... blink.gif  icon_question.gif
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Why not? I'll definitely let everyone know than leaving them in denial.

One of the possible reason: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/art...s-tsunamis.html

Climate change again. Seems like the impact of climate change cannot be ignored at all.

It make sense that ice melting in Alaska etc are casuing the land to "rebound" due to the fact that there isnt as much ice sitting on them as before. Hence,we get more earthquakes as the tectonic plates has to move to relieve it's stress.

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post Apr 20 2010, 05:24 PM

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QUOTE(robertngo @ Apr 20 2010, 04:41 PM)
is there statistical evidence that we now have more earthquake than other period in history?
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Worth looking for one,IMO.

From the media,there seem to be more or it,especially at elsewhere of the world.
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post Apr 21 2010, 10:29 PM

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QUOTE(alanyuppie @ Apr 21 2010, 09:20 AM)
blah blah blah.
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Well,most people here are like that.

When you post a more sensible comment,they will somehow pull out some shit in form of baseless controversy or nonsense from their ass. At the same time,ignoring the most of what you say.

The Admin should close this section as so far, i still cant find a sensible thread here. It's always ghost, sorcery, some shit controversy, or some far fetched technology like teleport.

I did post a quite interesting documentary on Global Dimming,look where is it now.

QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Apr 21 2010, 10:21 AM)
Btw, I'm sure you know that Professor Kichio Kaku state that the Solar Flare going to hit earth in year 2011/2012.
http://www.theusreport.com/the-us-report/d...-a-tv-show.html

As for the earthquake & volcano activity, I'll leave the news facts to do the talking... whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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So?

The most it will just cut off communication and thats your end of the world? The Earth's atmosphere layer will protect us from the flare.

What facts is your news saying? Nothing,as you arent posting anything.

As,quoted by robertngo,

» Click to show Spoiler - click again to hide... «


All these earthquakes have been hitting jackpot recently,as they are hitting populated areas. Hence,you get an illusion of more earthquakes.

The earth crust is constantly moving and earthquakes are always bound to happen since the birth of the planet. The difference is only on where it hit?


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QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Apr 21 2010, 10:50 AM)
Did I state Human would be eliminated due to Solar Flare??  blink.gif  blink.gif
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Then,why did you bring this up?

QUOTE(arthurlwf @ Apr 21 2010, 10:21 AM)
Chill bro  icon_rolleyes.gif  icon_rolleyes.gif
You want to play chicken & egg??? LOL
The most important question is whether human can find remedies or not... (e.g. Disease, Natural Disaster prediction)
hahaha... watch movie is for pop-corn munching only...
Btw, I'm sure you know that Professor Kichio Kaku state that the Solar Flare going to hit earth in year 2011/2012.
http://www.theusreport.com/the-us-report/d...-a-tv-show.html

As for the earthquake & volcano activity, I'll leave the news facts to do the talking... whistling.gif  whistling.gif
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