FAO alien2003, I know we can discuss this at our respective threads but thought it'd be a neat idea to have general interaction among all sets of fans of the BPL.

Current standings
Spurs 64
City 62
Liverpool 56 (1 game in hand v West Ham)

If Liverpool beat West Ham

Spurs 64
City 62
Liverpool 59

Next weekend's fixtures
Burnley v Liverpool
City v Arsenal
United v Spurs

If Liverpool W, City D and United W, the table will look like this

Spurs 64
City 63
Liverpool 62

Then it's Liverpool v Chelsea and City hosting Villa and Spurs hosting Bolton. Mind you, Spurs and City still have to play each other once. Depending on how things go, United could hand Liverpool 4th while Liverpool could hand United #19th.

Of course it's from a United perspective. I think it's brilliantly poised and it's easily one of the most exciting finishes in recent years considering not only how close the title race is (could be down to the wire) but also how close the race for forth is. I'd rather have a tight forth place race than a relegation dogfight.

This reminds me of the final day relegation battle of 2004-2005. All 3 teams still had a chance. Just that now it involves the top 6!

wrong, Liverpool played 34 games which is the same as Spurs and Man City. 8 points down with 4 games to go...

Chelsea 35 77
Manchester United 35 76
Arsenal 34 71
Tottenham Hotspur 34 64
Manchester City 34 62
Liverpool 34 56
Aston Villa 33 55
Everton 35 54

with this new piece of vital information , will liverpool field kids when chelsea come to anfield as to not win againts chelsea and handing over manunited 19th ? i dont think they can do that if they wanted to , manunited can complain to the FA if liverpool do that on purpose. right ? man city and spurs is the only team fighting for the final spot now or liv still hv a mathematical chance? for what its worth , manunited will roll over spurs next week, regardless of spurs form. thats a certainty, team of alex ferguson stature will do that to other team. i said it in chelsea thread , i will say it again here, manunited will win their remaining match 100% .

cheers.

p.s: this season is scary, for first place and also for fourth. so good thread here.

To be fair, Man Utd could do the same also give what happens last week when we were 4 points off the top.

We could have roll over and let Spurs and City win to deny Liverpool the 4th Place.

However, Utd & SAF are above all that and we won yesterday.

Lets hope Liverpool & Rafa will do the same and maintain the integrity of this league.

IMHO, i would say Rafa will field weakest side and give in for Chelsea to go on and take the 3 points.

New owner promised jobs, Gerrard & Torres staying.

He has no issue with the offer. Plus Liv could probably be in the Europa Final and that's a silverware for this season..with all lucks..

It has been a weird season. Injuries disrupted everyone's form. And every team have dropped points left right and centre throughout the season. On another season any one of those teams could have ran away with the title by now.

I wouldn't begrudge Liverpool if they did so (bend over sideways) but if they had a chance of getting forth and still did it....

Tottenham Hotspur 34 64
Manchester City 34 62
Liverpool 34 56
Aston Villa 33 55
Everton 35 54

Assuming Pool bit West Ham, 35 59

By the end of the week it could very well be Played 36 Points 62. They would still have played one game more than Spurs and City but assuming results go favorably at City v Spurs (draw?), Liverpool could still get forth. An outside chance I know but to bend over to deny yourselves a chance.

And I'm sorry, I'd rather exit R16 of CL than play in the final of Europa League.

Pool without Torres and Hammers fighting for relegation. I wouldn't put too much expectations on your assumption kobe. I will rather have this discussion once this week's matches are over.

brace yourself for the best ever finale of the season.the tightest that even hotter than the F1.anybody can drop points.can spurs beat man utd at their homeground?i would say it's 50-50.can arsenal beat man city?again,it's 50-50.chelsea might bounce back next week against stoke.last night,they rely too much on drogba and they've failed.

if tottenham play like last night,they will win against man utd.
if man city play like last night,they will lose against arsenal.

i conclude my points with this statement:we can only see it on the matchday itself.

wait till the result of spurs vs mu and burnley vs liverpool
if spurs wins + liverpool drop point which resulting liverpool will let chelse have their 3 points

base on liv's current it could be hard task for them to take full 3 points

LIV dont even need to use kids to do it.

Who needs Liverpool to take 3 points?

i tink that liverpool might have a reason to win in the chelsea match, since they r fighting for 6th spot for europa league with aston villa

Like many other Liverpool fans, I do despise Man Utd but this is real life we're talking about and the prospect of not qualifying for Europe all-together is very real. It is actually pretty ludicrous to suggest that the management would forgoe the financial gains of qualifying for Europe just to deny you a title. The thought of them mancs getting their hands on no.19 will hurt but I'm not in it for the short run. The long term future of the club is more important and I don't care if it takes another 5 years of rebuilding. What matters most is that at some point in the future, we will return to the top. It's all a matter of when?

Like you say, Spurs are fighting for fourth and it may not be as easy as you think. Then again anything can happen. Still have vivid images of Roy Carrol clawing the ball out from inside his own goal a couple of seasons ago. Memories of Spurs blowing a 3-0 half time lead come to mind as well. That being said, Spurs are arguably a better team now and have already beaten Arsenal and Chelsea in recent weeks. They still have to play Man Utd and Liverpool but writing them off against the mancs would be foolish in my opinion.

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Added on April 19, 2010, 8:40 amWhat's all this talk about Liverpool anyway? We're fighting for 6th, not 4th. Not relevant to the thread title

This post has been edited by Duke Red: Apr 19 2010, 08:40 AM

to be honest just imagine lets say rafa throw in the towel to chelsea and got thrashed like 7-1 ? do u liverpool fans will like him better? lol

Suffice to say, no one likes losing and to suggest that we would lose intentionally, sacrificing a place in Europe just to deny you a title is well, suggesting that you are a little full of yourself. If the situation were reversed, would you throw the towel in against Chelsea?

no la not i am full of myself. cos i get that vibe from ur thread tho. its like it more important to not let united win. to be honest if this was liverpool winning the title i could not be bothered also. i want my team to win. dont matter who. also its pride. just imagine united is lingering at 4-5 place and winning the leaders of the league is always a boost for the team no matter what. so yea .. winning no matter what.

My heart says anyone but Man Utd. However, Liverpool fan or not, it would be stupid to suggest throwing the game against Chelsea when we still have Europe to fight for. People can belittle the Europa league all they want, after all it is a second tier competition but qualifying for it means more profit. One can make fun of the Carling Cup or Europa league but see if they celebrate when their team wins either of those trophies. More often than not, you'll find a group of hypocrites right there. We were made fun of when we won the "Mickey Mouse" treble under Houllier (we did win a total of 5 trophies in that season), but think back to see if winners of any of those competitions in subsequent years celebrated?

i think why some of man utd fans saying that is because, as man utd fans like us, we do have some liverpool fans that say they will rather lose to deny man utd to win the title.

Yes, there are such fans, and when I heard it, i just sigh...

ahaha after all ppl prefer bigger cups. but with torres out kind of hard right .. mebbe could be a blessing in disguise so other players could step up and be counted ... numerous time liverpool were better without torres

Like I said, if we had nothing to play for than I myself would jump on the ABU bandwagon, but we do. It's been said that Standard Chartered included a clause in the contract which determines the amount of sponsorship for next season. This in turn is directly related to whether or not we qualify for the Champions League which looks to be a forgone conclusion by now. I'm sure it includes a clause for now qualifying for Europe all-together. It's like I said before, some people just don't live in the real world or understand how it works.

true true the impact of qualifying for europe is huge! .... with just a slightest chance i dont think should give up eh. like arsenal are still mathematically in it

I'd much rather be without Gerrard and Torres and I don't know if we were better without him. Against Birmingham, Rafa withrew him because he was "tired" and N'Gog who came in after spurned 2 clear chances to give us the lead. Just as how you lot seem to rely a lot on Rooney's superb form this season, or for the 2nd half of it anyway, we are rely heavily upon Torres for goals.

+1

I do think that Europa League is better than none.

why are we talking about liverpool in this thread? they have an outside chance of getting 4th. we should focus on talks about tottenham and man city

unless we are also talking about the race for 6th since liverpool is eying to qualify for the secondary european competition

Thank you for emphasising my point. If anything, Spurs have a big say, not us.

Apr 21
Hull - Villa

Apr 24
Manu - Totts
Arse - Citeh

Apr 25
Villa - Bham
Bley - Liv
Chels - Stoke

May 1
Citeh - Villa
Totts - Bton

May 2
Liv - Chels
Sund - Manu

May 3
Rovers - Arse

May 5
Citeh - Totts

May 9
Arse - Fham
Villa - Rovers
Bley - Totts
Chels - Wigan
Hull - Liv
Manu - Stoke
WHam - Citeh

hull, brummies, citeh, rovers ... villa can still make it ... plus, they have the easiest run in ... it's gonna be a fun few weeks

have you forgot about a certain team named arsenal? people said they have the easiest run in, remember?

mostly are talking abt liverpool cos they have the most outside chance also cos they were previously from the big 4 ma. talk abt spurs is like they win all nobody can chase them liaw like what is happening with chelsea. their fate is in their hands ..

Yes we do have an outside chance which is why I think posters suggesting we'd throw our game against Chelsea are nothing short of ignorant, especially when we aren't guaranteed a place in Europe yet. The long term future of the club matters more.

race for fourth dude ... if arsenal wanna join in, i guess tottenham should go for race for third liao


we have 2 away matches at manchester ... hardest run in ...

btw, previously from the big 4 ... made me lol ...
liverpool is still a big club ... they are still a member of Sky4 ... it's like saying juventus is a small club coz they got relegated (the match fixing scandal) a few years ago ...

MCity have the most hardest remaining match,i think spurs will take 4th.

ahahan no disrespect but currently the table they are not in top4 ma hahaha .

I can only hope Villa and Everton bite on Liverpool's arses and make it difficult for them, forcing them to need a result.

Believe it or not, I think it's destined to be Liverpool giftwrapping #19 for us. I'll remember that day with joy.

I was referring to arsenal's title race. There was a wankfest(by media) about them getting the title due to their easiest run in. Look what has happened. Those clubs at the bottom are much more dangerous..

Villa nick full points at Hull.

Team GP Pts
Spurs 34 64
City 34 62
Villa 35 61
L'pool 35 59

This post has been edited by boxsystem: Apr 22 2010, 05:14 AM