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post Apr 19 2010, 03:14 AM

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QUOTE(albnok @ Apr 19 2010, 01:31 AM)

shootkk: Hmmm you have a very orange tone in the first set, which disappears in the second set.
In other words, WB is very the out and the flash is too harsh on the models.
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Apr 19 2010, 08:27 AM)
albnok : I did not bother to adjust the WB as I shot. Left the WB to auto all the way. Didn't really bother to adjust is PP either. Guess the lights downstairs is not as orange as the ones upstairs.

vikingw2k : And so?
So, you might want to learn more on how to set a precise WB rather than telling people that you don't bother this and that. Simple as that.
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QUOTE(shootkk @ Apr 19 2010, 02:04 PM)
vikingw2k : So I like my PC Fair pics to be warm and don't bother to tune the WB each and every time I shoot at the fair. Is it so hard for you to accept that? I just go and shoot for fun and post them just for others to look at the pics.

I did not say that this is the right WB to set. Neither do I tell people to follow what I do.

And what makes you think that I don't know how to set WB?
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Well well, I'm just stating my genuine comments and you are already on defensive mode. WB off is not something nice that everyone could just swallow it hence I commented on it. If you love your shots to be WB off then you may certainly go ahead. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 19 2010, 02:17 PM)
speaking of WB..is there a thing called the wrong WB to use..because i took some pictures last time..and played around with different WB to get different mood..but ppl say my WB wrong..blur now...
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Any sample pictures for us to judge? Most common ones are either too cold(blue-ish) or too warm (orange-ish). smile.gif

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QUOTE(neo_lam @ Apr 19 2010, 02:17 PM)
bro just calm down...viking is just giving u some comment...peace icon_rolleyes.gif
No worries, not everyone able to accept comments. To me, if you are sharing it online in a public forum, be prepared to receive feed backs be it good or bad. If you can't even learn how to receive constructively, by all means keep all the pics inside hard disk and don't upload so nobody would leave any remark on your pictures. Make sense? smile.gif


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QUOTE(Wonka @ Apr 19 2010, 02:26 PM)
Maybe they're gona produce a super light weight glass by then. So it might weigh as light as a 50mm. Purely speculations. Funny. Hahah~
My only wish is they reduce the weight of 24-70mm f2.8 so that it'll be nicer to walkabout with rather than carrying a brick around. tongue.gif

QUOTE(shootkk @ Apr 19 2010, 02:27 PM)
vikingw2k : The fact that I never bothered to tune WB each time I shoot at PC Fairs should have tipped you off to what my pics will look like WB wise now, shouldn't it?

It's not like I'm posting PC Fair pics for the first time and it's not like I have not stated previously that I don't bother to WB at these fair. And to be frank, it's not your first time commenting on my pics stating that the WB is off with regards to PC Fair either.

So my question to you is : Why are you harping on this issue? And why the allegation that I have little knowledge in tuning WB?
Whether you tune the WB or not in each PCFair is non of my concern. I'm just purely commenting that this set of PC Fair pictures is off in WB and the flash is too harsh. Oops, did I mentioned it too on your last PC Fair shots? If so and you still happy with your off WB shots, you may of course continue doing so. smile.gif

QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 19 2010, 02:31 PM)
hahaha...i doubt f.18 lenses will be in the range of below 2k lor...


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Your pictures taking ages to load la. Upload in Flickr or photobucket =)
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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 19 2010, 02:38 PM)
sorry sorry..changed source already..
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1. Blue-ish and pale
2. Blue-ish and pale
3. Too warm
4. Too warm
5. Too warm
6. Middle.
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QUOTE(Wonka @ Apr 19 2010, 02:40 PM)
Who knows? Maybe it would.
Could train your biceps la. Not a bad way to exercise. An expensive way of exercise. HAhahahA~
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Add a grip loaded with extra batteries, diffuser, flashgun and trust me, you don't feel like exercising anymore especially during a long marathon to cover an event. tongue.gif

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QUOTE(cjlai @ Apr 19 2010, 03:36 PM)
nice STF biggrin.gif

but my 85/1.4 oso not bad tongue.gif

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No offense, but the shots doesn't show the true potential of a 85mm f1.4. smile.gif

QUOTE(wingster @ Apr 19 2010, 04:46 PM)
haha but according your suites I think 50mm F1.8 is enough hence you're not intend towards for Full Frame ... and also F1.4 wasn't seems to be fully utilize it at all the time
50mm f1.8 will never be enough. You'll struggle hard in low lit area smile.gif

QUOTE(Kul | Mo0 @ Apr 19 2010, 05:17 PM)
shootkk & vikingw2k : Got war happening eh?
Nah, why should I. I'm just merely commenting on pictures. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 19 2010, 05:35 PM)
why so? because not enough bokeh or what?
Yea, the bokeh and sharpness. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 19 2010, 05:35 PM)
biggrin.gif if f1.8 struggle then i don't see f1.4 can be any better. just very slightly better but it's already too dark, the DOF may not be sufficient as well.

that time is flash time liao lor.
Not really, 50mm f1.8 at f1.8 is very teh soft, hence you have to step down a lot to get sharper image where else if you get 50mm f1.4 you don't need to step down a lot and your image won't go too dark. Certain primes are even better that it's sharp at wide open, and that helps a heap cause you don't need to step down a lot to get sharp images.

QUOTE(Kul | Mo0 @ Apr 19 2010, 05:39 PM)
goldfries : Hahahaha what vikingw2k is trying to say is, go for Canon's f1.2.  XD Oh well, what can I say about primes? I'm a prime-less man. ):
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Once you taste prime, you'll never go back to zoom unless for convenience. My zooms stays inside my cupboard most of the time. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(neo_lam @ Apr 19 2010, 05:45 PM)
i wanna play sigma prime...
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Siggy 30mm f1.4 and Siggy 50mm f1.4 drool.gif


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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 19 2010, 05:47 PM)
eh you referring to my post about cjlai's photo?

my thought is why pump ISO to 1600 when using flash ............ other than the thought of TTL + lower flash power needed.

If I'm firing flash, I'd go ISO400 - 800 range. perhaps he's got other reasons, I'm just curious.
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QUOTE(neo_lam @ Apr 19 2010, 05:50 PM)
pumping ISO when using flash coz he wanna absorb more ambient light....
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Yes, neo_lam got the point. Firing flash thinking that it'll help to compensate your ISO is wrong thing. You'll end up with PnS-like shots where you have the subject brightly lit surrounded by dark background. ISO helps to preserve the ambient lighting. smile.gif

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 19 2010, 06:25 PM)
yes, going by what you guys posted - it's fine but for the ambient lights it could be done via aperture / shutter speed without having to pump the ISO.
Not really. Aperture and Shutter Speed alone is insufficient. Take for instance the image below. I've tuned to f1.4 and couldn't have just fired the flash but I still pump my ISO to 4000 to preserve the surrounding ambient.

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QUOTE(ieR @ Apr 19 2010, 06:19 PM)
vikingw2k: yo dude, cool it off, its a waste of time to argue. u know this better then anyone else. shootkk is just trying to share his share of PCfair picture for people like me who cant go (from s'wak) not everyone has time to edit or pro in photoshop. a pic is better then nothing wink.gif
Aiyo, why you guys so sensitive over such petty issue la. I'm just merely stating WB is off, flash is too harsh. That's just a plain comment. He shared his shots in the photography forum, we comment. Anything wrong with that unless someone taking it too hard? We are here to share knowledge, not to go emotional over a plain remark just because one couldn't take it. Cheers smile.gif

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 19 2010, 06:44 PM)
bro, i referring to his pics in particular la. biggrin.gif he's using f/5.6 and 1/100.
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To me, it's the same applies to all la. biggrin.gif Most of the time, I'll just bump up the ISO to preserve the ambient lighting or to increase shutter speed, then tune aperture to control the DOF.


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QUOTE(neo_lam @ Apr 19 2010, 06:49 PM)
f5.6 and 1/100 should create quite dark background if without pumping ISO...
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Precisely. smile.gif

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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 19 2010, 06:56 PM)
for me is case by case lor - if aperture and shutter is as what is intended already then ISO is the last thing to adjust. 
For me, I'll just set my desired aperture and shoot, if it's dark, ISO up and shoot, then up ISO again. For instance, I've already get the desired aperture(f5.0) and shutter speed(1/60s) but I still bump the ISO till 6400 to brighten up the scene and it helps a heap yo. smile.gif

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QUOTE(ieR @ Apr 19 2010, 07:08 PM)
w00t! the ambient rox!
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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 19 2010, 07:09 PM)
wooott!!fish eye rocksss...iso 6400 rocks too!!!
If you guys like Fishy Eye so much, get Tokina 10-17mm f3.5-4.5 FishEye(though I already sold it and using Nonac version now). Worth every penny and fun lens to have. Can be used on ff as well but you have to zoom a little unless you don't mind the 'creative' vignetting. smile.gif

Aperture : f10, Shutter Speed : 1/15s, ISO : 6400
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QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 19 2010, 07:16 PM)
if i'm not mistaken cjlai selling Samyang lenses, also have the fish-eye.
I rather invest a little more to get a more reliable Sigma 4.5mm f2.8 FishEye or Sigma 8mm f3.5 FishEye rather than those brands like Samyang, Peleng etc.

QUOTE(Kul | Mo0 @ Apr 19 2010, 07:19 PM)
vikingw2k : Nice shots. (:
Thanks mate smile.gif


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QUOTE(cjlai @ Apr 19 2010, 07:23 PM)
hahahaa....  i forgot my cam always ISO Auto....  tat's y ISO 1600+flash tongue.gif
thanks for the comment....  my mistake....  those pics were taken using the SAL1870 not the 85 f/1.4 tongue.gif
No wonder la. I was thinking how come so big difference one. biggrin.gif

QUOTE(goldfries @ Apr 19 2010, 06:56 PM)
anyway my thought is he could still possibly get it through with lower ISO by widen the aperture and if need to, a slightly slower the shutter a bit more.
Now I can answer your question already. I was suspecting him posting the wrong shot taken by kitlens instead of 85mm. Hence he can't increase the aperture unlike what you suggested cause I suspect he full zoom and the aperture is locked at f5.6. smile.gif


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QUOTE(cjlai @ Apr 19 2010, 07:23 PM)
those pics were taken using the SAL1870 not the 85 f/1.4 tongue.gif
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This is why I hate MF lenses especially during events. You are already rushing and pushing for the shot, yet you still need to MF to get the right focus risking your shots. With a good 85mm lens, you should be able to get results like this.

Aperture : f1.6, Shutter Speed : 1/800s ISO: 640
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QUOTE(hazril @ Apr 19 2010, 07:25 PM)
ISO 3200....do c&c...exif still intact....

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Hmm, comment on the noise or the whole picture itself? No offense but I don't see what you are trying to tell us in the picture.

QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 19 2010, 07:34 PM)
how much?? sweat.gif  rm5k?
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No la, told you guys bang for your buck. It's around RM1800-1900+-. Get this rather than investing on manual lenses risking your shots. smile.gif


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QUOTE(Kul | Mo0 @ Apr 19 2010, 07:38 PM)
Wasted no Tokina 10-17 FE for A-Mount yet. And now I'm in distress abit la. RM670 for VG-C70AM or RM790 for SAL 50mm f1.4 or Rm 650 for HVL-F42AM? ): *Today got 1 Admin and 1 Staff active in this thread very the dangerous* XD
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Oops, sorry. Forgot still no A-mount yet.
Flash, better grip or lens? Depends on ya need la. Which one do you need the most?

p/s: I always lurk around in Photography's forum. smile.gif

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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 19 2010, 07:51 PM)
ooo...can the lens fit my aplha300?sounds cool..haha...
Unfortunately Tokina 10-17mm f3.5-4.5 FishEye not released for A-mount. Pray hard it'll come sooner or later. Real good lens. smile.gif

QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 19 2010, 07:51 PM)
wow..iso 640...i dare not go anything higher than 400..maybe should be more adventurous..
ISO 640 is still acceptable la. If it's 6400 then it's another case biggrin.gif

Another one at ISO 640, Shutter Speed : 1/500s, Aperture : f1.4
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p/s: Don't quote the pictures, spoiler them smile.gif


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QUOTE(Kul | Mo0 @ Apr 19 2010, 08:01 PM)
vikingw2k : Hmmmm I dono la. 3rd choice would most likely be extra flash la. Still dont need another flash. So it's either 50mm or VG. Both also got equal lust towards it. ):
If I were you, I'll take 50mm f1.4 considering you already have an external flash. 50mm f1.4 + body doesn't weigh that much to make it a must for you to have a VG smile.gif

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QUOTE(Kul | Mo0 @ Apr 19 2010, 08:07 PM)
vikingw2k : But then............... When paired with the Sigma 70-200 f2.8 HSM I need the VG lo. See! Dilemma!
If you are planning to pair with Siggy 70-200mm f2.8, then BUY BOTH though it's a little painful. tongue.gif

QUOTE(Kul | Mo0 @ Apr 19 2010, 08:47 PM)
Does different lenses with the same aperture at the same lighting condition and same settings affect the noise? For example ISO 400, and same settings. Taken with SAL 50mm f1.4, Sigma 50mm f1.4, SAL 35mm f1.4G, SAL 85mm f1.4ZA, Samyang 85mm f1.4. Got difference in noise?
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Nope, lenses doesn't affect the noise.

QUOTE(lanusb @ Apr 19 2010, 11:06 PM)
cjlai, viking, your flash u all set to what power ooo?? and fill flash??
Flash set to ETTL. Running on Av mode. smile.gif
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QUOTE(ieR @ Apr 20 2010, 12:44 PM)

moo: 300 F2.8, then u wont buy anything for the next 30 years tongue.gif
The bokeh and sharpness will blow your wallet off 30 miles away too. biggrin.gif

Shutter Speed : 1/640s, Aperture: f2.8, Focal Length : 300mm, ISO : 125
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QUOTE(MechaHerc @ Apr 20 2010, 01:35 PM)
that's a CA or purple fringing? quite obvious one...
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QUOTE(zstan @ Apr 20 2010, 02:58 PM)
+100

300mm f2.8?wtff... drool.gif
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QUOTE(Wonka @ Apr 20 2010, 03:07 PM)
300mm is really sweet but telephoto is really out of my type of photography d. smile.gif
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Ideal for sports photography, birding and sometimes skodeng. smile.gif

QUOTE(ReasonsofThanatos @ Apr 20 2010, 03:09 PM)
@.@..cun nya...but 300mm is really kinda...far.. ^^,"
Indeed far. Especially when it combo-ed to be 900mm. biggrin.gif
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QUOTE(Wonka @ Apr 20 2010, 03:11 PM)
Seems really super far and super heavy. biggrin.gif
Body + grip + lens + flashgun + diffuser will give you the feeling of hanging a 5kg dynamo on ya neck. tongue.gif

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