Here a video dedicated to educate human.


Legacy of Engineering


What do you think?

This post has been edited by kenmirzz: Apr 12 2010, 10:55 PM

Leave the engineering to engineers. That's all i can say.

A few good quotes on engineers, lol, of course i have to make my profession look good mang.











Thus be proud my fellow EngGoons and hold yourselves to high standards of skill and conduct. There are good reasons why we suffer for 4 years of uni and then 2 more for professional practice.

Good! I like it. At least we are not enemies in this section. But in /K, I will hunt you down with my Golden Eagle.

Engineer gave the world much more than what they get. While other profession reap the reward for little effort ( they call it $$ smart ).

Like nurse, teacher, farmer and so on. We have a common mission that is to make this world a better place for ALL.

From my position, all I can say is engineers have lesser say on engineering, It is all $$ talk. Hard to find young and real engineer now. How many young guy will stay with low pay for a chance to sharpen their skills under a master? In SG, better student all went for Finance world as it make thier world a better place than others. The skill level gap between veteran engineer/craftman and the young blood are widening in our region. I wish all these is just my illusion.

For engineers, no good deed goes unpunished
http://www.eetimes.com/news/design/showArt...cleID=224200016

Nicely put. Especially in electronics industry. Earliest handphone come with only single line of character display. Then with black-white graphic LCD 64x64 pixel), progressive matured into higher grayscale graphic LCD (128x96), moving to 16-color, and now 16-million color of 800x480 LCD.

That was just the technology for LCD screen. The electronics that required to translate information onto LCD display was another thing. But consumers nowadays were disappointed with the progress of mobile LCD for handphones.

Engineers are underpaid slaves. Seldom have the opportunity and inspiration to revolutionize technology...

Yeah, but almost each and every civilization were being pioneered by Engineers who somehow discover the method to build gadgets and devices to advance human progress to the next step on the ladder of development.



I thought that it's the engineers that invent technology? How can they be absence from revolutionizing it when they are the one who pioneered it?

The pioneer are only a few heads in the industry. Most of the technology advancement were developed by institution like university. Nowadays, engineers are just machine operator.

LOL, quite amusing. But it's also true. It's the people who are in the institutions that developed the technology, the credit goes to the institution instead of the engineers though. It's unfair world. But wait a minute, they sponsor them to invent right? At least, they got the dessert of their hard work.

Well, we usual hear the company who markets the product as the 'revolutionist' rather than the engineer(s) who actually produce the product. This should change imo.

its up to the engineering student to be "picky" and willing to take the risk of going after technically challenging jobs rather than to choose the easy way and go into fringe engineering jobs such as sales engineer, project management, glorified technicians etc.

R&D, design, consultancy, site engineer (resident engineer) is where most of the technical challenge are.

and another trend is that not many engineer end up as technical super-experts, as most eventually moved on to less technical roles such as managers, directors, etc that offer more pay.

Yeah, that's the originator of the pioneering effort, those who involved in Research & Development, Design, etc. They are the builder of civilization.

Yea.... But does that mean engineers that work at maintenance and operation don't deserved the recognition? They put ideas into reality, though they are just operating it.

Of course they deserve it too. It's merely a matter of how grand or how tiny your contribution are, though the latter may have always been overlooked in this competitive and challenging world nowadays.

my lecturer defines an engineer as someone who does design work. some good maintenance engineer actually learn from doing maintenance and tweaks the system and modifies it to be more easily accessible, less breakdown, faster servicing, etc.

compare that to some maintenance who only follow schedule and basically acts like a drone.

same goes for operations. increased production rates with less scraps etc.

i have yet to find a sales engineer that does any significant design work (i may be wrong, as i dont know everything )

This post has been edited by lin00b: Apr 25 2010, 01:20 PM

Your lecturer's definition suits best with the builder of civilization role. Engineers were always employed for constructions of cities in any civilizations.

not really, design does not necessary need to be related to creation. if you can improve on an existing system, i think you are doing some designing as well.

Any Ir here?

r1v3r,

Why THAT is a problem?? There are TOO MANY pretend engineers out there anyhow. In general, only 5% of less in a normal population is suitable to be engineer. In Asia, Engineering is TOO POPULAR and too many people get an engineering degree for the money or glory. Hence, they abandoned the field as soon as they smell money else where.

This is GREAT!! They have NO BUSINESS to be in engineering anyhow.

Aurora,

Speak for yourself. I am revolutionizing and changing the world everyday.


Aurora,

Speak for yourself.

lin00b,

<< its up to the engineering student to be "picky" and willing to take the risk of going after technically challenging jobs rather than to choose the easy way and go into fringe engineering jobs such as sales engineer, project management, glorified technicians etc.>>

This is GREAT!! It weeded out engineer wannabe from TRUE ENGINEER.

Leave engineering to engineer.

Do you want your bridge and car to be designed and built by REAL ENGINEER or engineer wannabe??

We have TOO MANY pretend engineer. This is GREAT!!

lin00b,

<<i have yet to find a sales engineer that does any significant design work (i may be wrong, as i dont know everything )>>

In networking / telecom area, many sale engineers do design work.

<<my lecturer defines an engineer as someone who does design work.>>

Engineers solve TECHNICAL PROBLEM. The solution may or may not involve design work.

Dreamer

P.S.: I do not see any problem here. People that want and LOVE to be engineer will be engineer. People that care about FAME, GLORY, and $$$ will become something else. So, where is the PROBLEM??

I had 10+ jobs across 20+ years. I could have get paid a lot more been a manager or something else. And, I was a manager for 10+ years. But, I am willing to get paid LESS in order to be an engineer. The LESS PAY is being compensated with a lot of fun doing engineering work.

P.S.2: Leave engineering to engineer.

This post has been edited by dreamer101: Apr 25 2010, 11:05 PM

Hi dreamer101,

care to intro a lil bit about ur engineering background & what do u do now? What do u do for a living?

Thanks

This post has been edited by enmavel: Apr 26 2010, 03:27 PM

because training is part of my jobs and I enjoy teaching people who willing to learn than those slacker.

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Added on April 26, 2010, 6:13 pmthere is reason why sg gov make engineering school take in large number of student regardless their quality and intention. They hope that the logical and analytical training (if any) will enble the "mass" to do other jobs when they can't find an Engineering jobs.

Large number of student also needed to sustain the high running cost as compare to art courses.

So, yes with only 5% can be real engineer but they can't get the education without the other 95% student schoo fee.

This post has been edited by r1v3r: Apr 26 2010, 06:15 PM

I agree with r1v3r, the true worth in engineering degree are in the analytical, logical and ability to find optimal solutions. These are the true values that I hold in regard.

Whether its the guy down there trying to optimize the new power stage for a new device or the guy who is trying to figure out optimal work schedules for the guys or the sales engineer trying to help the customer find the right product for their application.

Its what that makes the world go round. People solving problems for other people. It just that engineers are trained specialists for technical problems.

As long as the wannabes know not where not to stick their cruddy hands into where they shouldn't its fine by me. Don't wanna have my car blow up cos the engineer can't do math.

The Invention of the Wheel is the Legacy of Engineering.