Apr 25 2010, 11:04 PM
QUOTE(r1v3r @ Apr 14 2010, 04:23 PM)
Hard to find young and real engineer now. How many young guy will stay with low pay for a chance to sharpen their skills under a master? In SG, better student all went for Finance world as it make thier world a better place than others. The skill level gap between veteran engineer/craftman and the young blood are widening in our region. I wish all these is just my illusion.
r1v3r,Why THAT is a problem?? There are TOO MANY pretend engineers out there anyhow. In general, only 5% of less in a normal population is suitable to be engineer. In Asia, Engineering is TOO POPULAR and too many people get an engineering degree for the money or glory. Hence, they abandoned the field as soon as they smell money else where.
This is GREAT!! They have NO BUSINESS to be in engineering anyhow.
QUOTE(Aurora @ Apr 24 2010, 04:11 PM)
Nicely put. Especially in electronics industry. Earliest handphone come with only single line of character display. Then with black-white graphic LCD 64x64 pixel), progressive matured into higher grayscale graphic LCD (128x96), moving to 16-color, and now 16-million color of 800x480 LCD.
That was just the technology for LCD screen. The electronics that required to translate information onto LCD display was another thing. But consumers nowadays were disappointed with the progress of mobile LCD for handphones.
Engineers are underpaid slaves. Seldom have the opportunity and inspiration to revolutionize technology...
Aurora,That was just the technology for LCD screen. The electronics that required to translate information onto LCD display was another thing. But consumers nowadays were disappointed with the progress of mobile LCD for handphones.
Engineers are underpaid slaves. Seldom have the opportunity and inspiration to revolutionize technology...
Speak for yourself. I am revolutionizing and changing the world everyday.
QUOTE(Aurora @ Apr 24 2010, 04:37 PM)
The pioneer are only a few heads in the industry. Most of the technology advancement were developed by institution like university. Nowadays, engineers are just machine operator.
Aurora,Speak for yourself.
QUOTE(lin00b @ Apr 24 2010, 10:14 PM)
its up to the engineering student to be "picky" and willing to take the risk of going after technically challenging jobs rather than to choose the easy way and go into fringe engineering jobs such as sales engineer, project management, glorified technicians etc.
R&D, design, consultancy, site engineer (resident engineer) is where most of the technical challenge are.
and another trend is that not many engineer end up as technical super-experts, as most eventually moved on to less technical roles such as managers, directors, etc that offer more pay.
lin00b,R&D, design, consultancy, site engineer (resident engineer) is where most of the technical challenge are.
and another trend is that not many engineer end up as technical super-experts, as most eventually moved on to less technical roles such as managers, directors, etc that offer more pay.
<< its up to the engineering student to be "picky" and willing to take the risk of going after technically challenging jobs rather than to choose the easy way and go into fringe engineering jobs such as sales engineer, project management, glorified technicians etc.>>
This is GREAT!! It weeded out engineer wannabe from TRUE ENGINEER.
Leave engineering to engineer.
Do you want your bridge and car to be designed and built by REAL ENGINEER or engineer wannabe??
We have TOO MANY pretend engineer. This is GREAT!!
QUOTE(lin00b @ Apr 25 2010, 01:17 PM)
my lecturer defines an engineer as someone who does design work. some good maintenance engineer actually learn from doing maintenance and tweaks the system and modifies it to be more easily accessible, less breakdown, faster servicing, etc.
compare that to some maintenance who only follow schedule and basically acts like a drone.
same goes for operations. increased production rates with less scraps etc.
i have yet to find a sales engineer that does any significant design work (i may be wrong, as i dont know everything
)
lin00b,compare that to some maintenance who only follow schedule and basically acts like a drone.
same goes for operations. increased production rates with less scraps etc.
i have yet to find a sales engineer that does any significant design work (i may be wrong, as i dont know everything
)<<i have yet to find a sales engineer that does any significant design work (i may be wrong, as i dont know everything
)>>In networking / telecom area, many sale engineers do design work.
<<my lecturer defines an engineer as someone who does design work.>>
Engineers solve TECHNICAL PROBLEM. The solution may or may not involve design work.
Dreamer
P.S.: I do not see any problem here. People that want and LOVE to be engineer will be engineer. People that care about FAME, GLORY, and $$$ will become something else. So, where is the PROBLEM??
I had 10+ jobs across 20+ years. I could have get paid a lot more been a manager or something else. And, I was a manager for 10+ years. But, I am willing to get paid LESS in order to be an engineer. The LESS PAY is being compensated with a lot of fun doing engineering work.
P.S.2: Leave engineering to engineer.
This post has been edited by dreamer101: Apr 25 2010, 11:05 PM
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