So, I have decided to take Canadian Pre-University/Canadian International Matriculation Programme.
But I'm tore between 2 colleges which is Sunway and Taylor's.
I need your opinion please.

these 2 colleges kind of have a different systems even though they're both "Ontario Secondary School Diploma"
and some subjects are different.
I'm seriously confused! O.o

Please please help me >,<

What do you mean by different systems? It looks about the same to me.
Assessment system the same,both also has about 80% Canadian Lecturers so lecturer quality is about the same as well,even course code also the same since both are from Ontario,number of subjects,duration,entry requirements all look the same to me care to clarify further on what different system are you talking about.

Tuition + Misc fees for 6 subjects wise, Sunway's CIMP costs RM21,600 and Taylor's CPU is RM22,350 which is RM750 more expensive because of their Misc Fees Tuition Fees are the same.

First of all what Degree are you planning to pursue later on after CPU/CIMP and where?

This post has been edited by Hikari0307: Apr 11 2010, 12:55 AM

well, not literally different.
like in sunway u have to sit for the test first to determine whether ur english is good enough for ENG4U, if u don't, u have to take ENG4C first if i'm nt mistaken.
and in Taylor's, if u dont get "A" in English for O level or SPM, u cant take ENG4U,
u should take ENG3U for the first semester then after that u can pursue to ENG4U in the 2nd semester.

and one more thing, for the computer studies, sunway has "TGJ4M Communication Technology" and taylor's has "ICS4U Computer Science".

I hope u get my point, sorry if it's badly explained. >,<

for the degree.. umm i have several choices, honestly i'm not sure yet T_T

and I wanna know about the study environment in both colleges...
thank you~ =)

20k for grade 12 ah? What university you want to go to after college?

i'm still not sure about the university but i'm heading to canada.

Do something else man. Ontarians who have a choice wouldn't do their grade 12.

like what? the problem is i dunno what to major yet, so my choices are only A levels and canadian pre-u.

This post has been edited by chapunx: Apr 11 2010, 03:39 PM

A-levels.

Well it won't be an issue if your English is good enough right ^^" If it's not good enough it doesn't make much difference whether you go to Taylor's or Sunway.

well those would be two different subjects there you got to go and view the syllabus to see the difference but I'd think it's not a problem which one you took as most IT and Computing degrees don't have computing subjects as pre-requisite mostly Maths ^^" Just a matter of which of those two subjects interest you then.

Why do you want to do CPU/CIMP because of their assessment system? Why not go for something like A-Levels which is more recognized and gives you more options for the future? Or you don't like their exam based system?Or the timing is not suitable for you?

Learning environment it'll be pretty much be the same just the area your in is a bit different though both are quite near each other ^^" don't know about Sunway's CIMP since I know little things about Sunway but Taylor's CPU got a lot of International Students and Canada Bound JPA,MARA,Petronas,Bank Negara etc Scholars.
In Sunway I'd say if your a bit active you can meet people from other programmes as well besides pre-u compared to Taylor's who just moved all their Foundation and Tertiary programs to Taylor's University College Lakeside Campus and converted the SS15 campus to Taylor's College Subang Jaya to house just CAL,SAM and CPU separating TUC and TC though their students are still allowed to use each others facilities and participate in activities since they are all under the Taylor's Education Group roof.
Oh yeah Taylor's converted what used to be the building for Taylor's Business School to only house CPU so you programs in TCSJ got ample space with CAL and SAM sharing the campus area in front IDP,Mac centre etc and CPU getting the whole Wisma Subang Building.

This post has been edited by Hikari0307: Apr 11 2010, 03:50 PM

The Canadian Matriculation Programmes will be helpful for you if you find that English is a difficulty. The advantage that a lot of our International students find is that the programme helps you develop your English throughout the semesters. That is why we have an English Placement test to determine which English would best suit you.

It would be helpful if you know which degree you are planning to do. We will be able to advise you further.

A-Levels may not be a wise choice if you are seeking for a more coursework/practical based curriculum as compared to a 100% examination based system. However, A-Levels would be highly advised if you are looking out for scholarships after Pre-U.

Canada accepts A-Levels, AUSMAT, CIMP and even the American Degree Programme. You might want to check out our ADTP programme at www.sunway.edu.my/adtp for the majors that are offered.

As a former CIMP student,

My advice is the same as feynman.

Unless you are one of those top class student who can constantly perform then CPU is good for you at sunway at least, never done it at taylor's so idk.

If you're average skip it, for example engineering good universities in Canada look at core subjects individually rather than an overall % bet your guidance councilor didn't tell you that. However some uni probably lax on this don't know how much recession affected them over there.

Do note the part that says this is not exam orientated. If you are like me then every quiz/test is like an exam because remember if you fail one your total average in going to drop.

This post has been edited by BillySteel: Apr 11 2010, 07:34 PM

im confused too.. well, i just wanna know about the environment in cpu taylors and cimp sunway, which is better? cz i know that quite a number of ppl says that sunway students used to party alot and play alot so yeah.. and cpu programmes has alot of international student? hw about national sstudents?

Based on when I did CIMP most are foreigners I would estimate a 60(overseas student)/40(malaysian) ratio depending on which course you are taking.

As for parting anyone and any course can do that, we cannot have fun meh?

At the end of the day just study smart and play hard.

Enviroment---er i believe that Malaysian students are more friendlier definately as int students dont mix around that much and less cool

I don't know about sunway since I never interacted with any of their CIMP students but Taylor's CPU, environment wise I think it's about the same, Taylor's and Sunway students are about the same as well I'd think, don't worry not everybody only thinks of going partying all the time those are only a small number of students though they are the ones who usually stand out that's why people notice them ^^" and these students might also be the ones who score sometimes ^^" CPU has a high number of international students, you are very likely to have international students in one of your classes. There's also a high number of local students and especially if you join the July intake there is a very high number of JPA,MARA,Petronas,Bank Negara etc scholars in all the four pre-programmes (SAM,CAL,CPU & IBDP)

O______O;
So i'll be competing with bright students?? >____<

ahaha good what having a lot of bright friends ^^ you will have better chances to score and do well especially in group assignments when you mix with all the good students =) don't worry CPU is a totally new playing field.It's assignment based system is totally different than SPM's exam based system everyone's new to it ^^

how bout chinese ? =/ i realize theres alot of malay studying in cpu/cimp! just wanna enquire are theere alot of chinese ??

Chinese compromise a large number of CPU students.Most Malays there are under scholarship by JPA,MARA,Bank Negara etc while most of the Chinese are under Taylor's own scholarships or are privately financed by their parents etc.

Ima majors in computer science ..should i go for Cimp or ICPU .. ??

Doing CIMP or ICPU doesn't help in computer science. You can do any pre-u/foundation to get into computer science.

First Q : Are you planning to further your studies in Canada?

Not canada ..but I m planing to get my degree in USA .. ?
..so please advice ..what i shuld do .. ?

If your planning on going to the USA wouldn't it be better for you to just go sit for SAT and then apply to a US University or if you prefer to spend some time here in Malaysia enrolling in an American Degree Transfer Programme would be better than enrolling in CPU ^^"

This post has been edited by Hikari0307: Sep 26 2010, 08:50 PM

enroll in both the programs :S (American Degree Transfer Program and CPU) .. okay i can do just do either of dem ryt .. :S .. or i have to enroll in bth .. and wats an american degree transfer programme .. ?

No you do not need to enroll in both programmes. If you are planning to go to America it would be better to do ADP instead of CPU. Unless you want to go directly in which case you can apply using your SPM and you would have to sit for SAT as well.

An American Degree Transfer Program is basically an American Degree Program which you can enroll in after SPM without the need to go through any Pre-u Programme(CPU,CAL,SAM,IBDP etc) like a UK and Aussie etc Degree programmes.

The way it works is you spend about 2 years of a 4 year american bachelor degree here in Malaysia and then you apply to transfer your credits that you have accumulated here to an American University or if you wish certain Canadian and Australian Universities. This is of course up to the Unis to accept you if you meet their minimum entry requirement. Some Universities/Colleges that offers this kind of programme are Taylor's,INTI,Sunway,SEGi and HELP among others.
As an example would be this one by Taylor's

http://www.taylors.edu.my/courses/adp/adp_landing.php?id=102

HMM ... SO i can apply into any university in america wen i m done wid 2 years ther in malay ..so after i apply it won't be that much of a problem gettin acppeted right .. ??. as u said 2 years years of a 4 year american bachelor degree here in Malaysia .. ?i m confused .. wat if i don get to go there ..:S

Most people from Malaysia go to study a Degree in the US through an American Degree Programme. Most people have no problem getting accepted but accepted into what University depends on a few factors like your results etc. and how many of your credit hours that gets transferred is up to the University, to avoid most of it not getting transferred it's best you have in mind where you want to go to and discuss with an ADP course counselors. It's mostly done as a 2+2 which means 2 years in MY and 2 years in US. Though if your aim is some Ivy League level University then this is not a very good choice as the rate of success of transferring to one is very very very very very low and most credits won't transfer and any way it's not easy to get into one no matter what way just being above average will just be pushed aside like that most people who apply to Ivy League level unis are people who are way above average not just in studies but everything else. Anyway are you currently form 5 or something?

i Dont know whats form 5 ??? .. but all i know is i have done my igcse .. and i m planing to do my foundation year in malaysia and den for a degree i m planing to apply in USA unis ...and its not some ivy leage university .. lol..im gonna apply for unis in US in kansas city like kansas state university or fort hays university.So i dont knw which program to go for .. so dat it wil make it easier for me to go in US

ah Form 5 in the Malaysian National School system is the year where students sit for SPM or in English is the Malaysian Certificate of Education which is equivalent to GCE-O levels.

If your not those very top universities then pretty much I'd say ADP is a good choice for you.
It's pretty much the way to go if you want to go study in the US unless you want to go straight as a Freshman in the US in which case going through their website will give you a good idea on how to apply.If you intent to spend some time here in Malaysia first then go for ADP. There is no need to go through programmes like CPU,A-Levels,SAM etc.

You can always check in institutions websites which Universities accept their ADP programme for transfers as most of them publish it on their website. If you were to go directly to the Colleges and meet their counselors you might be able to get a good idea on how many of their students have been accepted in your targeted institutions. You can view the list like in this websites.
http://www.taylors.edu.my/courses/adp/adp_landing.php?id=105
You can check other colleges like INTI,Sunway,HELP,SEGi etc for more =D

It won't be a problem ryt .. like i mean getting transfered and all .. i mean the program .. if i do it .. for 2 years in malaysia and den 2 years in us .. wont be a problem for my future careeer ryt ?..

Graduating is not a problem as long as you have completed all the prescribed exercises. On your career, can't say. The economy is tanking and you will need an employment visa to work in the US if you are not American.

Transferring and all no problem, like I said before most Malaysians go to study in the US through this pathway. If your coming back to work here in Malaysia there's no problem but if you intend to work in the US then I have no idea as I'm not very familiar with their laws and all.

sorry i m nt a malaysian i m from bangladesh and i live in saudi arabia .. ..nad can u tell me abt Adtp ..the tution and fees per semester for dis program..nd hw many subjexts do i have to take . .?

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Added on September 27, 2010, 8:40 pmI am Saif Ahmed, I am from Bangladesh and living in Saudi Arabia. I have done IGCSE and this are the following results;
Computer(A), Chemistry© , Physics(B), Math© , English©, Biology©, Accunting©. I would also like to know about the annual fee for this ADTP . Please advise.
I will be looking forward to hearing from you.

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Added on September 27, 2010, 9:44 pmand few of my friends told me .. u can also do cimp ..and ..den u can go to us too

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Added on September 28, 2010, 2:45 amand ye guys just 1 more thing .. which 1 do u think i should go ..sunway or taylors for American degree transfer programme .. and which 1 is cheaper ??

This post has been edited by Ryan94: Sep 28 2010, 02:45 AM

I think I already answered the other questions in some other places. Now for the last one, I'm not really sure on the price difference between the two you would have to email them respectively for that and well from my point of view there's no difference in where you do the programme but I heard a lot of people like to go to INTI for this programme.