I think the away goal rule should be abolished simply because its unfair to the team that score same amount of goals compared to their opponents yet got knocked from the competition.

Yesterday night Man Utd was leading Bayern Munich 3-2, (on 4-4 aggregate). it should be a great win for man utd, unfortunately its not.... simply because bayern munich scored more away goals...

When both teams got the same aggregate, the competition should be continued to extra time and then penalty shootout.. just like the competition in world cup..

I think theres a flaw on away goal rule, the "winner" don't really win "fair and square" by scoring more goals then their opponents. No wonder nobody celebrated the 3-2 win, it just doesn't make sense.

What does everyone else think? Should away goals be abolished?

for those who have no idea what away goal rule is, here is link for explanation:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Away_goals_rule

No. If it ain't broke, don't fix it.

i am a man utd fan and i am ashame of fans like you

just because the team you support lose and you blame the system?

sigh, no wonder the people who hates man utd grows faster than ever....sigh

georgraphical advantages??? Well...Both teams gonna faceit anyway.

The away goal rule is one of the geniuses of the UCL.

I am not blaming the system... but don't you think drawing on aggregate yet still knocked out from competition a bit not making sense...

it should go into extra time and then penalty shootout... just like most of the competition...

No! Just keep the rule

no i dont think so.

okay, lets say the situation reverse, man utd vs bayern, 1st leg at OT where man utd win 2-1

2nd leg at germany where bayern win 3-2

aggregrate is 4-4 and man utd shud had win it due to away goals

however, if there aint any away goals rules, the game will go to extra time and penalty.

and if the upcoming league match man utd lose a game and cost them the EPL title, surely you guys, or even SAF will say that its because of fatique, we play more minutes in CL thus players are tired, we will win if theres the away goals rules....

for a team to be able to score more in a foreign stadium than they concede at home is a fair way to determine the tie. Even though i can't remember Man Utd win a tie through away goals (only lose), i think the rule is good since it has been in use for years and years.

I would rather the Goal Line technology to be implemented than to abolish the away goal rule if FIFA or UEFA have another meeting.

yes, the goal line tech is really indeed something to be implement

There is nothing wrong with the away goal rule. Sure it sucks to get KO-ed by the rule but there's a reason why it was introduced.

In the older European games before the rule was introduced almost every away team tend to just set up shop, park the bus and aim for a clean sheet. The rule was introduced to encourage away teams to go for the jugular and try to get a goal. This in turn creates more open games and more excitement for spectators.

n the reason is becos manu lose?.

anyway i dont see anything wrong wit the current system, it is perfect the way it is..if the opposition scored away goals, it put pressure on the other team to perform n not trying to b defensive all the way..isnt that wat we all want?..nice attacking game of football

something ain't broken so no need to fix it.

Yes id sometimes moaned when my team were knockout by away goal rules...but we try not being hypocrite here. Verx did made a point...back to the old days the team dat lead/narrow lead tend to sit back almost entire match. With dis rule...the team dat won narrow at home can went to opponent ground and try to win da match..

I'm on the other end of the spectrum. I totally agree with the rule and it has nothing to do with this morning's result. In my opinion, away goals are more valuable than home ones because they are harder to come by. How many teams do you know score more away goals than home ones? How many do you know conceed more at home than away? Not many I reckon.

The away goal rule also serves as an incentive for visiting teams to venture forward. It is logical to think that teams playing away in the 1st half, would approach the game with caution, preferring not to lose rather than to win. Knowing that an away goal is more valuable however, teams have the option of killing the tie off in the first leg. Fortune favours the brave.

Away goals also give teams who have lost at home in the first leg, a chance of making ammends in the 2nd more daunting away leg.

My 2 cents. I think it is a good rule to have.

sigh...now i know, why man utd was hated so much so much

i always thought arsenal fans do that ( no offense, as this is what my friends does, everytime their team lose, they blame everything but not their players/managers)

but now.......

nice attacking football is good, like arsenal vs barcelona

bear in mind there is no perfect or 100% "fair" way to determine winners in such deadlocks. The governing body has to have seomthing to decide the tie and i think the away goal is a good balance - u encourage the away teams not to go to foreign grounds and "sit out a 0-0 draw". The italians of the old were the masters at these. But now, this opens up the match a little (of cos some teams will still do the park-the-bus tactic la).

How is a penalty shootout "fairer"? the amount of luck in that would be greater.

wenger also complain earlier in the comp when they were going to play in porto.


i voted no btw

if wanna blame the rules,,better blame Platini lar cos he is anti english teams.
For the match referee's perfomance,I really think he is followed "someone" order,bayern main kasar & harmful to the opponents, no red cards no player sending off meh???Unbelieveble !!

i sensed a bit of sarcasm there.. or am i wrong?

just like the one point for a draw and three points for a win rule, anything that encourages teams to actually 'play football' is much appreciated

platini and blatter hate english team, a fact and nothing much we can do...sigh

this is the real reason why they introduce away goal rule, another reason is to decrease playing time

so i strongly agree with this away goal rule simply because we can watch the real football not the negative football and player also can rest instead of playing another 30 minute, so win win situation for spectator and player

what a shame this issue only coming after last night result

no la....really one

i aint hate arsenal no more since i rarely mix with those friends that support arsenal now

Gentleman..two thumbs up!!

The away goal rule should stand.

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Added on April 8, 2010, 8:09 pmdont generalize .. not ALL of us are like him ..

This post has been edited by boxsystem: Apr 8 2010, 08:09 PM

generalizing is bad. not all fans like this u know

i hate to say this, but shut up and stop saying man utd fans are like that

only 1, well maybe more but havent appear yet saying this, you cant say "man utd fans" are like that....

The away goal rule shouldnt be abolished just because of the team we support lost on it. Despite the cruel fact that we are being eliminate from UCL, it was a great game anyway, so dramatic.

What? =.=
Im ashamed of fans like you...
Come on la bro,just because your team lost (im a man utd fan too),you want to change the rule?

To me,the away goal rule is one of the better rules in football.

Alright sorry for generalize..
My mistake.. Only 1..
Really sorry for my bad word.

But please, time to move on..
Is it necessary to create a new thread ??

the away goals rule should stay. the rule was made for a reason. try to score goals and at the same time, keep your backdoor shut. so, there is balance between attack and defence, which is good in my opinion...

What? =.=

Im ashamed of fans like you...

Come on la bro,just because your team lost (im a man utd fan too),you want to change the rule?

But TS, please... it's time to move on.. move on please.. move on...

can some ppl be more matured. zz yes its abit convient time to have this thread man utd lost on away goals. but come on man this is not the first man utd lost on away goals. anyways its a healthy discussion to have anyways if ppl can stop talking abt its man utd who wanted to abolish this rule. zzzz

pls continue to talk abt the subject which is away goal instead of man utd. in every 5 post 3 of it contains man utd losing this morning.

every football thread discussion sure end up as my club is better or whatever 1 ...

Shocking thread. We've benefited from rules like this before and to say this just becoz we got dumped out in such fashion is disgustingly embarrassing. Its a genius rule and its helped to make games a whole lot more interesting.

I personally welcome a discussion like this anyday over the all too common one liner comments. In fact, I wish there were more discussions like these as it was a few months ago.

if only someone with a arsenal/liverpool/chelsea/barcelona/bayern fans club tag create this topic, then it MIGHT had given different response....

or created this way before the game....

I think only he is like this

Think about getting rid of golden goal first.... oh wait its already gone.

Absolutely nothing wrong with away goal. For example, a spanish team, used to the sunny weather at home, scores in freezing Russia, surely it gotta mean more isn't it -.-

away goal is very valuable. it's priceless. try to score away goals even knowing you will end up losing in away matches at the end...

At least not from someone who said Cristiano Ronaldo played for England.

the away goal rule is an encouragement for opposing teams to play for their lives instead of parking the bus as most clubs used to do.

now scoring an away goal is like scoring 1.25 goal

Didn't Wenger come out in the past saying that the away goals rule forced the home side in the first leg to be more negative? If I'm not mistaken he suggested that the away goals rule only kick in during extra time, so the losing team still has 30 minutes to get things right. Not sure how it panned out with the UEFA higher ups, but I think its a pretty reasonable idea. Nowadays, teams playing at home in the first leg would generally prefer a 0-0 than score draw.

i never think team who play 1st leg at home first will be negative. of course they want to win, they want to travel into the 2nd leg with something to hold on for sure becuase it's very difficult to score away goals in modern football these days...

You'll never know mate. I wouldn't be surprised if Jose set up shop to get a goalless draw against Barca in the San Siro, fully aware that if you allow Barca to play they'll leave you with Messi pants. A 0-0 draw going to the Nou Camp would suit them nicely, knowing that every goal they score there, Barca will have to score one more.

I'd like to think that teams playing at home in the first leg would generally prefer to win. Sure away goals are worth a lot but they are harder to come by. I mean you stand a better chance of scoring with the home support behind you so why take the risk in the away leg? I can't speak on behalf of anyone but I'd like to think that teams would like to get the job done and dusted in the first leg at home.

+1 Most teams are trying to end the tie within the first leg itself.

yeah could be. it is a good strategy considering inter milan is a well organized team especially in defence. haha typical italian team...

I was great if this thread was created before the match..
Or somewhere within past few month..

Champ. League between match M.U and Bayern juz this morning..
Afraid it will mixed between the good brain with emotional one.
Give them some time to cool and relax..


Then we can have good discussion about this this topic.

Aye, I get where you guys are coming from. But how many times have we heard that the home team's objective in the first leg is first and foremost to not concede rather than to score.

of course it part of the initial plan, but there r always plan B,C, or D if A din worked..

I came in to say this.

Please OP, stop making it difficult for real fans like us.

I personally thinks that the rule is okay, it would add more suspense and drama to the competition like we observed for many occasions and Man Utd defeat although a win at home and this is not the first time, remember Real Madrid?

at the end of the day, awal goals rule is great. that's why we watch champions league. it's exciting and full of drama. we never know what will happened until the final whistle was blown by the ref. cheers...

Yup. Even the home crowds gave FAT Ronaldo a standing ovation. Man, he was sensational. Becks too. Before joining their colors.

This post has been edited by boxsystem: Apr 8 2010, 09:01 PM

Nope. Shows that you must not slack on both legs. It's a good wake-up call to those who, eventhough won in the first leg at home, to buckle up and expect the unexpected.

tbh if the aggregrate is a draw to me scrape the away goal and lets pit the captain to a sack race. or maybe tug of war. that would be much better ...

or play PES/FIFA much better.

Nothing is wrong about the rule. Just keep it.

Remember that although it's not 100% fair but it has its own (high) degree of fairness.

If the game drags on due to same agg (not including away goal):
1. Unfair to the away team (home team advantage)
2. Longer play time = higher resource (the stadium/players/etc)
3. If no winner after extra time, do you think penalty kickout is "fairer"? I do not think so. (Although penalty kickout is exciting, it does not serve the real meaning of "football" - to me personally)


Side note: Although the answer/result for this thread is obvious, I think it's nice to have a thread discussing general topics such as current rules (like this). Maybe this thread is created at the wrong timing

Well the manner of this thread got off on the wrong. But its quite a decent topic to discuss.
Afterall, we dont see that many topics like these come out every so often right?
Well at least we could discuss another method in solving 2 legged ties.

i dun think this thread was created at the wrong timing, this thread was created BASED on that "timing"

I must concede that it's true

Well, I would prefer to have topics like this to be discussed in a more general situation... this one simply defeats the purpose of debating.


Again, we seldom have an open discussion among FL members... let's have more - in peaceful manner

This post has been edited by kimhoong: Apr 8 2010, 09:34 PM

it is a fair rule i should say. both teams need to be concentrate to the fullest for 180 mins. but what about the playing ground? how to determine which club has to play where first. like the cl, the draw for the quarters determined it right? what about the second round matches?

The away goal rules make it exciting more than ever, imagine teams playing for penalty?

let's have the captains slog it out on the center circle
since roy keane's grown all old and retired... Liverpool and Gerrard will have a leg up (fists up actually ) over anyone else... and when the other captain's in the Vinnie Jones mould Gerrard can always get substituted, and have Carragher be captain!

hey, better yet, let's have the managers slog it out instead! i wanna see rafa and a certain Sam having a real punch out

This post has been edited by madmoz: Apr 8 2010, 10:10 PM

Away goal rule should remain. Teams realized this, it give a more open approach in trying to score. Its never over until the final whistle (over two legs) As in previous occasions 3-0 at halftime does not win a tie.

if u dun wan away goal, then play @ neutral stadium then, knock out match, do it or die, if game tied then extra time will play, then penalty

if mu vs barca then it should be play @ german
if lyon vs porto then play @ england
if arsenal vs inter then it should play @ spain, etc

anyway, nex thread would be "2 yellows = 1 red rule, should it be abolished?"

This is one of those rules that should stay.

all rules has it flaws, even at neutral ground where some teams travel more than others, do you account that into your 'fairness'?

the fact is this world is unfair, there no such thing as 100% fair in this world

well, away goal is better than extra time's goal or penalties. heheehe




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http://footballcrazie.blogspot.com/

Yes, it should be abolished

haha oowh really...?
i think the rule is all right...

That rules make fooball became crazie. hahaha


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http://footballcrazie.blogspot.com/

it should stay ... is much more difficult to score away from home

p/s - some team soundly beaten in 2 legs

The rule is absolutely fine, nothing is wrong with that. My opinion, that is.

Yeap it is defintely more fair then extra time or penalties that I would agree. If do away with away goals, I would say then every games ends at 90 minutes. Else the argument then would be why the 1st match no "extra time played".

Btw, use signature if you want to permanently hotlink some sites.
i.e. http://forum.lowyat.net/index.php?act=UserCP&CODE=22

well imo should stay ... i don't think so there's any objection or debating on this matter by any teams at the moment !

cheers.

yah, then the away team will complain playing only extra time away is not fair for them. then how need to go back play another extra time at home?

This post has been edited by robertngo: Apr 8 2010, 11:27 PM

You made my day.

Remember last time FIFA came out with the rules on whomever scores the first extra time goal and they are the winner. They thought they could motivate the teams to be more competitive; who knows everyone tends to play safe which is why the short live of that rule.

However, with away rules; it does motivates team to be more tactically sound before the next match, either they are on the advantage or disadvantage after the first game. Thus it makes the game more exciting.

haha.UEFA's consult always do meeting n find ways to settle this matter. And this is the best decision right now.


anyways,tq bOOn. hehe

The away goal should stand.
Even the Malaysia FA Cup matches have this kind of rule.
Its the rule that make CL more exciting.

@TS, is this your first season watching Champions League or have u thought MU have not won any games with the away goal rule?

Of course it should stay as it is.

No big deal as MU lost, many other teams lost that way too. Watch more footballs before creating topics like this. Please.

then, they always complaining and yapping about these offside la, fouls la, handballs la, penalty claims la. it depends on the referee of the match but sometimes i just feel, it is important to focus on your team's performance first, not the officials ok. cheers...

We cant get a decent thread without fans abuse ah?

I remember it the golden goal rule in the 2002. Then during Euro 2004 it was silver goal if i remember correctly. After that then it was just extra time.

already expected for this kind of posts once i saw this thread outside. zZ . utterly disappointed when found out that TS is a fan of manutd. Everyone including saf knows the away goal rule even before playing therefore i would say the rule is fair and square. why blame the rule when you lose the game?

another f@cT- every club has its own bad apple, its just that manutd has larger fan-base compare to the other due to their manutd recent success(imo) hence its there are more bad apples among manutd fans. Those who generalize all manutd fans "are the same", how do you feel when others do the same to you?

to TS. MAYBE you are just expecting for a healthy discussion. Sadly, the rivalry among clubs has overshadowed everything. Voted for the support for away goal rules btw.

I not really sure this thread will be a healthy discussion..
Like I said before, wrong timing.

Btw I support ur first paragraphs..
Why blame the rule ???

p/s: Still can't forget dramatic equalizer goal from Andrés Iniesta....

This post has been edited by cipan2001: Apr 9 2010, 06:17 AM

I guess with all the generalizing going about it is pretty darn difficult to start a decent discussion in the LYN Football Lounge nowadays. Little wonder why a good topic can suddenly go out of hand with the smallest flame.

I vote this thread to be close. Immature fans love to generalize everyone is the same type just because of few bad apples, I stick KO the whole ship.

It's pointless to discuss anything liao

I still suppok visiongray and Luke (mayb others but I dint get their name).

Since its a decent topic to have a general discussion about it so I have done some cleanups on the unnecessary personal/club attacks.

I will let the thread run for now since there are some in here who can discuss maturely BUT anymore post like this:

will result on the thread been closed.

Thanks.

@boon
Nice explanation on the golden goal rule. I wondered when and how did the rule abolished. It was pretty funny back then with that rule.

Away goal rule should stand. Oh waii ... didn't I post that before?

i think the rule should stand (i man utd fan by the way .. all the way since 1989) ...

I think the rule does what it was projected for .. to encourage teams to score more. The Man utd v Bayern match is good testament of that! 3 goals in the first half! I am sure that given that Rafael was not sent off and the score @ 3-2, the devils would have gone full offensive game in the last 15 - 20 mins which would have opened the game up more to attacking play from both sides --- and that can only benefit us the viewers. All said i think end of the day, football is more than just winning and losing, it is also to give spectators like us the "unfair or fair" adrenaline hence, i believe, the birth of many football threads on lowyat forum ... including this!

Inter is NOT an Italian team.

... ops can't resist haha, juz kidding.

as for the topic, like every other said, nothing wrong with it... if there's no away goal rule then mayb we should juz play the cup games in 1 match knockout format ?

voted no.

both teams play home & away. meaning both teams have an equal chance / time of scoring an away goal in the tie.

bar of course going into extra time in the 2nd leg if both teams are tied in terms of score and away goals. then again, scoring an 'away' goal would be a greater feat as the team did it away from home

This post has been edited by turtles_inc: Apr 9 2010, 10:34 AM

haha it seem that this thread heading somewhere already <off topic> so NO need to change the rule .... "Stay As It Is" well said some forummers, also both team had 50-50 chance <playing home & away> so no point for argument, which team score more <away match> to progress further if final result is draw ... that it

cheers.

Me too..yap...

away goal should stay..or we must play one game only no home no away..and at the another stadium lh..baru fair...so no income to the stadium...then football gonna die soon....

i totally support the away goal rule, althou valencia lost this morning through away goals but we can only blame ourself for not performing well during home game = \

i think that the away goal rule should be maintained. it's good as it promotes visiting teams to attack instead of just sitting back and def during away games.

Let me put some warning here.

This thread is really a healthy debate as the away goal ruling had been in place for quite sometime and rarely there's any discussion going on. Although yeah, maybe it might be the wrong time or right time or whatever - this could still be a healthy debate where people can voice out their opinions. If disagree, what is the best method and all.

It is the way the first post is structured that caused all the rifts around. But shouldn't all of you be matured enough to handle the discussions?!

If you guys can't be matured enough, then we shall proceed to close down this topic. Or on second thoughts, I think I wouldn't close it down. But whoever starts any stupid flaming and taunting war here I shall give them suspension. Let's just see how the mods of FL agrees to it.
If they flag for warning, I'll definitely hammer it down hard.

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Added on April 9, 2010, 2:04 pmBtw, away rules benefits because like fans / supporters we always claims the magic of "Home" ground. Thus home advantage is players are familiar with the condition of the pitch, the weather, the crowds, foods and so forth.

As an away team, they would have to adjust to all these not to mention if they travel from far, body condition might not be at their best. Thus IMO, away goal rules is to help curb all this disadvantage.

Pls feel free to comment on.

This post has been edited by b00n: Apr 9 2010, 02:04 PM

I think 5 pages already summed up the discussion in every dimension. The next coming pages would just reiterate the same thing plus the 'obvious moronic replies'.

I porpos we kolos dis threat.